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karynnj

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75. Absolutely not - for two reasons - it is not a treaty and there is no way in hell it could pass as

Mon Apr 6, 2015, 10:02 PM

Apr 2015

a treaty. That would take 67 votes. They BARELY got 67 votes for the START treaty with Kerry and Lugar, both sane and committed to it, running the SFRC. It was also a continuation of START which was started under Reagan -- and it was the lame duck session of 2010 when we still had 59 Democrats.

Someone up thread had it right - if they reach an agreement, Obama should sign it as he legally can.

Shumer may have had a perfect SAT, but he is really not considering the real possibilities here. If the bill fails - because the US Congress kills it, the likelihood is most of the world with lift the sanctions. The US can't control other countries.

This deal has a potential - just a potential for resetting US foreign policy is a better - ie not neo con - direction.

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Schumer bucks White House on Iran - throws his weight behind legislation to reject a deal [View all] tracks29 Apr 2015 OP

Oh fuck it then, lets have a world war NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #1

It is starting to look that way. Octafish Apr 2015 #55

Obama can and should veto any bill this disgraceful Congress passes. He has stated that that is sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #90

+ 1000 n/t MBS Apr 2015 #108

I liked what he said during Iran-Contra... Octafish Apr 2015 #111

Schumer is terrible. And that's saying something. blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #2

Chuck the Smuck!!! Wellstone ruled Apr 2015 #67

in agreement 2banon Apr 2015 #71

+1 And I am not referring to IP, either. merrily Apr 2015 #106

Is Schumer one of those "party loyalists" so popular around here? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #3

All Democrats Are Sacred - It Hath Been Writ In Stone cantbeserious Apr 2015 #7

Well, he is a Democrat and that's never popular with the 3rd party squatters around here. great white snark Apr 2015 #13

Real Democrats recognize that all Democrats are not equal. Some Democrats rhett o rick Apr 2015 #42

Real Democrats dont say they wont vote for the winner of the Primary if a certain woman wins... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #65

I am glad to see the head of the party is back. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #73

Nice to see you enter the discussion. Real Democrats don't betray their Party and rhett o rick Apr 2015 #82

You said a MOUTHFUL! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #64

I don't understand. Anyone who runs as (D) emocrat pretty much has to be a Dem Party merrily Apr 2015 #107

What else is new? n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #4

This ^^^ Egnever Apr 2015 #15

According to this and I hope it's true.. "US Congress like Bibi are irrelevant.." Cha Apr 2015 #86

Agreed Gothmog Apr 2015 #113

That is what Obama may need to do, ultimately..in the end. I am not confident about Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #115

Shame on Schumer.. I hope Harry Reid decides he doesn't want him as the Minority Leader after all Cha Apr 2015 #118

Me too. The article on the Bipartisan 50, that is one heck of an endorsement. Although Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #119

I am naive, but I still expect the deal to be endorsed by the Senate. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #5

What I don't understand is whether the "disapproval" is binding. Renew Deal Apr 2015 #6

Since it is an agreement, not a treaty Smithryee Apr 2015 #17

Constitutionally the congress can't do anything. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #68

So if they want a symbolic disapproval then it's meaningless. Renew Deal Apr 2015 #69

The optics are not meaningless. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #72

If he is one of the most influential voices and the administration is igoring him Johonny Apr 2015 #8

Ignore congress. Get the deal passed by the UNSC. nt LittleBlue Apr 2015 #9

Three word: Israeli owned Congress! nt kelliekat44 Apr 2015 #10

Everyone ought to take note of comments like this one oberliner Apr 2015 #43

and your problem with senators owned by any one particular lobbying group is....? nt msongs Apr 2015 #77

Damn near! And he's going to be the Democratic Senate Leader after Reid leaves. sheesh. 2banon Apr 2015 #74

Fuck schumer. This asshole cannot be allowed to take over for Harry. onecaliberal Apr 2015 #11

Goddamn right. n/t tabasco Apr 2015 #63

Schumer needs to be shown the door. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #80

Agree! onecaliberal Apr 2015 #83

I don't like Schumer. Ugh Laurian Apr 2015 #12

Pathetic ChiefJusticeIV Apr 2015 #14

When Insannity was on local radio in NYC, he called him "Upchucky Schumer" KamaAina Apr 2015 #16

Corker said yesterday that he is up to 64 votes madville Apr 2015 #18

What about the House? They would need 43 Dems votes krawhitham Apr 2015 #19

That's not many as far as the House goes madville Apr 2015 #25

I do not like him. bravenak Apr 2015 #20

chuck was there when bibi spoke to congress.... spanone Apr 2015 #21

UGH! MoonRiver Apr 2015 #22

Fuck you Chuck. neverforget Apr 2015 #23

No surprises. n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #24

I expect he's playing to donors. Marr Apr 2015 #26

I agree. The deal is going to happen. still_one Apr 2015 #35

This is why democrats are such winners abelenkpe Apr 2015 #27

Yeah...like some stick together on DU VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #66

Don't you ever stop fucking cheerleading? truebrit71 Apr 2015 #79

This is my surprised face. Aerows Apr 2015 #28

Chuck just got his marching orders from Israel. He's a good soldier for them. BillZBubb Apr 2015 #29

Follow the money. To who does Schumer owe felicity and allegiance? Not his own President, apparently Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #36

Corporate money talks and Schumer is listening. diabeticman Apr 2015 #30

I'm no fan of Schumer. City Lights Apr 2015 #31

Wonder how big the check was hifiguy Apr 2015 #32

. AngryAmish Apr 2015 #33

We will see what happens. Technically Obama doesn't need any of these assholes in Congress. He can still_one Apr 2015 #34

So, will you enlist when you start the war with Iran? muntrv Apr 2015 #37

". . . I support the Corker bill . . ." Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #38

Schumer's an ass. N/t Owl Apr 2015 #39

this schmuck is my Senator dorkzilla Apr 2015 #40

Count me among one of the many liberal Jews... Smithryee Apr 2015 #46

He's one of my senators LiberalElite Apr 2015 #41

Peter King is looking to take his seat oberliner Apr 2015 #44

Zero chance. Smithryee Apr 2015 #48

D'Amato had the seat for nearly 20 years before Schumer oberliner Apr 2015 #51

I remember D'Amato - and no, King isn't.. Smithryee Apr 2015 #56

Of course he is oberliner Apr 2015 #57

Unlikely he could pull it off. Renew Deal Apr 2015 #70

Pick a country, Schumer. Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #45

Dems who will vote for this bill ann--- Apr 2015 #54

Schumer, best buddy of Wall Street = Thespian2 Apr 2015 #47

Let him hear from you. IL Lib Apr 2015 #49

Another pro-war neocon Democrat. He loved the Iraq war too, so of course now he wants war with Iran geek tragedy Apr 2015 #50

Democrats ann--- Apr 2015 #52

What a fucking vile comment that is. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #61

Wow, glad you edited out that anti- Semitic comment but would still love to know bettyellen Apr 2015 #85

I despise no one ann--- Apr 2015 #92

It wasn't a matter of your not supporting Israel, it was your anti-Semitic comment. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #93

So, I guess ann--- Apr 2015 #94

You really shouldn't be assuming anything. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #95

Why are they ann--- Apr 2015 #96

They? I only see ONE mentioned in the article. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #97

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #100

And that is why your comment was anti-Semitic. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Apr 2015 #103

Yeah, I can see how anti-Semitism is so passe. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #104

Way to try to change the subject from that anti-semitic lovliness you edited out of your above post. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #101

no one has to support Israel to belong here cali Apr 2015 #117

this place has been welcoming to those sentiments for some time now JI7 Apr 2015 #98

This thread is a testament to it! Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #99

sadly cali Apr 2015 #116

What a vile post! With your edits you fool no one! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #89

I'm surprised he didn't sign Cotton's letter dflprincess Apr 2015 #53

Et Tu Chuck? n/t SCVDem Apr 2015 #58

Schumer's a jerk-off... gregcrawford Apr 2015 #59

And this schmuck is in the position to be minority leader? liberal N proud Apr 2015 #60

OK, I guess I will take the abuse. I agree with Senator Schumer in this on principle. The holder kelly1mm Apr 2015 #62

Absolutely not - for two reasons - it is not a treaty and there is no way in hell it could pass as karynnj Apr 2015 #75

So long as congress is not in the loop an approving this (like the Iraq use of force decalaration) kelly1mm Apr 2015 #78

but unilateral us sanctions will have little impact karynnj Apr 2015 #87

it does not meet the definition of a treaty karynnj Apr 2015 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author mulsh Apr 2015 #76

Fuck Chuck. truebrit71 Apr 2015 #81

What @SenSchumer (AIPAC/WallSt) doesn't get is #UNSC will eliminate sanctions if #Iran complies.. Cha Apr 2015 #84

"Money trumps peace". JEB Apr 2015 #91

This is why I said he's not the right person for the job JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #105

Instead of engaging in a collective wringing of hands and wailing and gnashing of teeth, Skidmore Apr 2015 #109

Not true malaise Apr 2015 #110

I am not sure that Schumer should be Harry Reid's successor Gothmog Apr 2015 #112

Shocked that Schumer didn't see these headlines coming... Mike Nelson Apr 2015 #114

I'll say it again - Warren for Leader! libpride_15 Apr 2015 #120