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74. this is all very interesting, I'm sure

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 02:19 PM

Apr 2015

...but my interest is still in his revelations about the government spying. I believe much of this effort to denigrate him personally is intended to detract from those revelations. I think that's why most of these character attacks on Greenwald are conspicuously void of any discussion of the government abuses and crimes that he uncovered - or summarily and immaterially dismissive of them.

I do think other aspects of his politics is fair game for attack, but I doubt, very much, that he was defending lynching, promoting lynching, or serendipitously celebrating lynching with this appearance. What's been reported are his standard criticisms of government surveillance tactics. I'm quite certain detracting from all of that is the main impetus of the op in distorting the nature and substance of this appearance. It's a profundity of prevarication which is a curious and contradictory way to cast aspersions on the subject's own veracity.

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So What the Heck Did Greenwald Say at a Memorial Lecture for a Pro-Lyncher That's So Secretive? [View all] msanthrope Apr 2015 OP

Hm. I wonder what overly-sensitive Glenn Greenwald supporters on DU have to say about this? BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #1

Maybe they heard the speech and can tell us what he said. MineralMan Apr 2015 #4

I'd love to hear it...even if it's their version of. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #9

Glenn hasn't posted it anywhere I can find. I really do want to read what he said about msanthrope Apr 2015 #13

Me, too. One thing we can safely gamble on is, it wasn't anything negative. He'd otherwise BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #14

I'd be interested in finding out the speaker's fee, too. We read so much msanthrope Apr 2015 #16

Probably something like Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #5

Or something like this: BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #8

Kick and rec! zappaman Apr 2015 #2

Maybe the speech will show up on YouTube someday... MineralMan Apr 2015 #3

Ironically, it's on Snowden and privacy. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #6

Hopefully someday the Greenwald and Snowden fans will realize they have been fooled. stevenleser Apr 2015 #7

If John Oliver's brilliant playing of Comrade Eddie didn't convince 'em, nothing will. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #10

Nope. They'll spin it to make it sound positive, as one poster already has done here on DU. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #15

Did you guys watch the full episode? JonLP24 Apr 2015 #84

He was reduced to discussing hypothetical dick pic privacy issues BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #102

You think Oliver's point was that Snowden... doesn't have a point? Marr Apr 2015 #35

No, it was that no one cared about the revelations. joshcryer Apr 2015 #39

even the snowden fans don't seem to care much JI7 Apr 2015 #42

Citizen Four was an excellent documentary JonLP24 Apr 2015 #85

I thought it was pretty obvious there that Oliver was criticizing both the apathetic public and our Marr Apr 2015 #64

I don't think it's that simple. Adrahil Apr 2015 #43

I think joshcryer explained it perfectly---Snowden fucked up when he involved Greenwald, msanthrope Apr 2015 #55

I could agree with that. He should have gone to an I.G. or to a white house deputy chief of staff or stevenleser Apr 2015 #57

I blame Greenwald on that point. He was a lawyer....he knew precisely the legal jeopardy Snowden msanthrope Apr 2015 #60

Greenwald definitely knew better but I'm not ready to say Snowden bears no responsibility stevenleser Apr 2015 #63

Well, as joshcryer, and Recursion, and I have all indicated, it's entirely possible that Snowden msanthrope Apr 2015 #65

It was certainly not an endorsement of him revealing international . . . brush Apr 2015 #78

I don't feel "fooled." joshcryer Apr 2015 #40

Greenwald cares about Greenwald. That's it. Adrahil Apr 2015 #45

If either of them had good intentions and were out for "the right thing" their actions would have stevenleser Apr 2015 #47

Will we see the 'FDR Democrats' denounce this? geek tragedy Apr 2015 #11

I love the legal fiction that Sumners was denied a SCOTUS berth because of his opposition to msanthrope Apr 2015 #12

Yet Hugo Black, who also opposed anti-lynching legislation and had belonged to the KKK, was chosen. deurbano Apr 2015 #34

Black was pro-New Deal. I wonder if the 'FDR Democrats' want to claim him as one of their geek tragedy Apr 2015 #51

Black was anti-lynching legislation, but not pro-lynching. Sumners took it farther, justifying msanthrope Apr 2015 #62

Roosevelt actually did choose a Supreme Court Justice who was pro-lynching, someone who didn't deurbano Apr 2015 #92

Indeed...so I wonder if the self-described FDR democrats on this site appreciate msanthrope Apr 2015 #99

Did you? deurbano Apr 2015 #107

I always appreciate information. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #108

K&R! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #17

Nice hit job! Maedhros Apr 2015 #18

You think he mistakenly signed up for this lecture series? He couldn't msanthrope Apr 2015 #20

You're reporting on where GG is lecturing for Koch money and "hit job" is all they can come up with? Cha Apr 2015 #31

Holy crap, that's weak... SidDithers Apr 2015 #41

So a Greenwald DIDN'T go on Beck, or give that speech? Adrahil Apr 2015 #46

Would love to hear that speech.. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #19

He talked about how mass government surveillance is the antithesis of the 4th Amendment Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #21

Well, as I noted below, we knew it was about Snowden, because GG msanthrope Apr 2015 #22

but, but, wasn't he 'honoring a pro-lynching Congressperson?' bigtree Apr 2015 #27

Greenwald is anti-government. Care to guess which party benefits geek tragedy Apr 2015 #50

simplistic nonsense bigtree Apr 2015 #71

those are all libertarian values too. He never sticks his neck out to urge the government geek tragedy Apr 2015 #72

this is all very interesting, I'm sure bigtree Apr 2015 #74

Well, no, it's also his penchant for engaging in hysterical, shrill attacks against geek tragedy Apr 2015 #75

that's neither the subject of this op, nor, apparently bigtree Apr 2015 #77

"The mainstream view in the United States is that people do not trust the federal government" geek tragedy Apr 2015 #80

again, completely ignoring his revelations about government spying bigtree Apr 2015 #81

I think you mistakenly assume I have some agenda to discredit his NSA revelations. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #82

all of those you list here are certainly important bigtree Apr 2015 #94

Greenwald's larger agenda is to urge progressives to dump the Democrats geek tragedy Apr 2015 #95

I don't care why he 'trotted it out' bigtree Apr 2015 #96

which is all fine and good, but understand there is considerable suspicion of him as far as where geek tragedy Apr 2015 #97

I don't care where he goes with this bigtree Apr 2015 #98

Should be mentioned that Greenwald publically supported several progressive Democrats Chathamization Apr 2015 #100

Now he is sounding like Ted Cruz. This is one of Cruz' favorite things to say: stevenleser Apr 2015 #52

Anti-Greenwalders personalize too much, missing the point. doxyluv13 Apr 2015 #23

Except that many of his "revelations" have been refuted, and it actually does matter msanthrope Apr 2015 #24

I started an OP on refutations of Greenwald/Smowden claims. Result: zilch, nothing. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #25

well said grasswire Apr 2015 #26

Link? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #66

Link DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #70

You were given proof after proof.....heck, here I prove he's a liar..... msanthrope Apr 2015 #79

An attorney should have a better grasp of the word proof and its usage. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #83

Again. ...you've simply dismissed all proof. You think Greenwald wrote msanthrope Apr 2015 #89

No sale. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #91

I wrote a whole OP disproving a fact Greenwald stated about Anwar Awlaki. msanthrope Apr 2015 #101

Out of all the speakers in this series-including James Carville, Romney, Netanyahu, Erskine Bowles, Chathamization Apr 2015 #44

Those people are wingnut Republicans. You're telling us GG is no different? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #48

James Carville is a wingnut Republican? N/T Chathamization Apr 2015 #59

Serpenthead is whatever he wants to be that day. Never forget that. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #61

O.P.P.O.R.T.U.N.I.S.T. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #28

Wow treestar Apr 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Scrabbleddie Apr 2015 #30

So it's all secret hush-hush what Greenwald was up to at the NCPA? If this were Hillary there would Cha Apr 2015 #32

Same reason I'm disgusted by anyone who's applied for a Fulbright scholarship Chathamization Apr 2015 #33

If this is your rebuttal of Greenwald's reporting, I feel sorry for you. Marr Apr 2015 #36

The "rebuttal" is John Olliver's Snowden interview. joshcryer Apr 2015 #38

That interview did not cast Snowden or his actions in a bad light. Marr Apr 2015 #67

Well, the messenger does change the reporting. For example, Greenwald's reporting on Anwar Awlaki msanthrope Apr 2015 #58

So true whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #90

I know what you mean. And Little Green Footballs?! Charles Johnson & his posters have been stalking deurbano Apr 2015 #93

Probably some weaselly libertarian claptrap. joshcryer Apr 2015 #37

I've never been to a memorial lecture when the lecturer did not mention the person being honored.... msanthrope Apr 2015 #68

Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2015 #49

Kick. riqster Apr 2015 #53

Video or transcripts might just spoil the fun. n/t Orsino Apr 2015 #54

I find it funny that a talk on the NSA/Snowden wasn't mentioned by GG, and there are no msanthrope Apr 2015 #56

Followup: Glenn Beck and Glenn Greenwald Agree on Pretty Much Everything Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #69

People who get involved with Greenwald end up exiled or in prison, but he doesn't.... Hekate Apr 2015 #73

So no one knows? zappaman Apr 2015 #76

I must have stumbled into the Muckraker's Ball whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #86

The Greenwald hero-worship is amusing YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #87

You'd Think He Was The Brave Whistle Blower Or Something ProfessorGAC Apr 2015 #109

K&R one_voice Apr 2015 #88

Photo: Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #103

I wonder if GG retweeted it. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #104

He's too busy running damage control for the Oliver interview Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #105

His shit on Oliver just proves he's one of the clickbaiters. joshcryer Apr 2015 #106