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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
14. I base it upon the issues.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 02:59 PM
Apr 2015

Rand is on the populist side of several issues facing us. NSA Surveillance, FBI Spying, Marijuana Legalization, and foreign wars to name a handful. Those issues enjoy wide populist support. To counter them, our candidate would have to take on other populist issues, or match Rand. Hillary the Presumptive Nominee has a long history of being on the other side of those issues.

The elections always come down the same. Forty percent vote Democratic, always have, and always will. Forty percent vote Republican, always have, and always will. The decision is from the remaining twenty percent. When they go Republican, then Republicans win, as evidenced in 2010, and 2014. When they go Democratic, we win. President Obama lost four million votes from 2008, to 2012. Romney got a million more than McCain did. These are not make believe numbers, they're the actual vote totals. Four million votes separated Romney from Obama. four more million voted for Obama than Romney.

Hillary is no Obama, so we can't realistically hope for a greater turnout than Obama enjoyed. How many of those four million voters will switch sides based upon those issues. People who see the stupidity of the prison sentences for pot? People who want the NSA and FBI out of their phones? How many people will vote for Rand based upon those issues?

What will our side do? Our side will stay the course. Afraid that if they come out against the NSA/FBI/CIA/GCHQ spying that they'll look weak on the war on Terror, or weak on crime, or weak on defense. So they'll stay hawkish. The RW Hawks won't believe it and will still vote Republican. The people for whom Privacy is a big issue may change their votes to Republican. How many can we afford to lose? If we go with President Obama's numbers, we can't afford to lose many. We didn't win those swing states by that big of a margin.

My opinion is based upon a detailed examination of the people involved. Rand, and Hillary. Positions, and issues. Public support for those issues, and voting trends. It is an opinion, and I absolutely admit that. Yet, my concerns about the Senate made almost a year before the election were born out. The Republicans were going to fight hard to win, and they were going to keep from making the mistake that torpedoed them in 2012.

Here's the next question. How many of those four million votes for President Obama were based upon that asinine Real Rape quote? If we say none, we're fools. If we say half, we're probably pretty accurate, if we say all, we're just as big as the fools who say none.

What drives the voters is the question. In 2014, it was issues. I think it's going to be issues in 2016, and Rand is on the populist side of several issues. Do we really want to underestimate that level of potential? If we go into 2016 with the idea we've already won, and the election is a mere formality because we erroneously think that the Republicans are idiots, we are going to get our asses kicked. The Republicans are winning, because they are taking the game far more seriously than we are. If you doubt that assertion, try and get a hold of Senate Majority Leader Reid. Oh wait, you can't. you'll have to search for Senate Minority Leader Reid. The Republicans enjoy a pretty significant majority in the Senate. Because we took the idea that they were stupid for granted, and ran on the idea it would be an easy victory in 2014. We lost, badly.

If we are serious, and a little lucky, we can win in 2016. If we are overconfident, and pretend that the Republicans are idiots, we will lose. Again.

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We've already played this game this morning. WillowTree Apr 2015 #1
Ah but now he has a graphic Savannahmann Apr 2015 #2
Ah......I must have missed that rule. Thanks for the update! WillowTree Apr 2015 #15
Rand Paul caught lying about his college record Playinghardball Apr 2015 #3
heehee nice catches! nt Zorra Apr 2015 #26
Rand Paul is a lying SOB.... CherokeeDem Apr 2015 #51
Rand has issues telling the truth Gothmog Apr 2015 #4
So today's question. Savannahmann Apr 2015 #5
I disagree. From what I read the guy is a plagarist who never had an original thought in OregonBlue Apr 2015 #6
He's in favor of legalization of Marijuana. Savannahmann Apr 2015 #7
Yeah, he could get a lot of support from the "independent" voters. progressoid Apr 2015 #18
No, he's not. bluedigger Apr 2015 #24
What good are reduced penalties if you are left with a freaking criminal record... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #47
4 million tallied votes..... NoMoreRepugs Apr 2015 #27
He has a few populist positions but the reality is, he's just another white southern politician. OregonBlue Apr 2015 #40
You're forgetting, the Media control the debates. bvar22 Apr 2015 #31
Hmmmmm Andy823 Apr 2015 #8
I base it upon the issues. Savannahmann Apr 2015 #14
The 4 million votes will come from opposing Rand's economic agenda. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #29
Your concern is noted. Darb Apr 2015 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #10
You're missing (or avoiding) the fact that the "National Board COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #11
He was certified by the ABO, which is recognized. WillowTree Apr 2015 #20
And he seems to believe that being an eye doctor qualifies him to judge when women OregonBlue Apr 2015 #41
He also claims to be certain that some vaccines can cause autism. napi21 Apr 2015 #54
His claim to be board certified is based on an unrecognized board he ran himself. Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #13
Bush graduated from Yale... lame54 Apr 2015 #22
Pretending RepubliCONS are stupid? fasttense Apr 2015 #28
LOL, you don't think Cruz is an idiot? So you base your judgement of intelligence on Degrees.... Logical Apr 2015 #32
No I don't think he's an idiot. Savannahmann Apr 2015 #36
People said the same thing about McCain and Romney. Asses Kicked! nt Logical Apr 2015 #37
63% did not vote. Disgust, maybe? Blocked? Hopelessly gerrymandered? Darb Apr 2015 #39
Why don't you ask Alan Dershowitz if Cruz is an idiot Reter Apr 2015 #44
Being a good student does not mean you're smart...even at Harvard. Dawgs Apr 2015 #50
Yes it does Reter Apr 2015 #52
Sorry. You're wrong. n/t Dawgs Apr 2015 #55
No, you're wrong Reter Apr 2015 #56
And he actually thinks we're going to believe that's his real hair. KamaAina Apr 2015 #9
How did he get malpractice insurance and admitting rights to a hospital? Sienna86 Apr 2015 #12
Because he's a DOCTOR. WillowTree Apr 2015 #16
he is a real doctor - he is not currently a properly certified opthomologist Douglas Carpenter Apr 2015 #17
Odd that a legitmately boarded doctor would give it up for any reason. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #43
This argument sounds weak LittleBlue Apr 2015 #19
totally agree except for the fact he lied ... Duppers Apr 2015 #33
OMG that is hilarious. What a poser. /nt AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #21
His speech today sounded like this: Mr.Bill Apr 2015 #23
Did he bill Medicare/Medicaid as if he were "Board Certified" instead of asking for lower fees? IggleDoer Apr 2015 #25
Great point! Duppers Apr 2015 #35
He is a douche, a teabagger, and a nutter but I doubt boarded and unboarded physicians... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #45
WAIT...wait Duppers Apr 2015 #30
The responses so far are a laugh riot. It's like we've been invaded by the defensive dailypaul. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #34
Agree and disagree... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #46
I don't agree with the morality of making up lies about one's political opponents Douglas Carpenter Apr 2015 #57
He's definitely a "real" doctor Reter Apr 2015 #42
Another lying rethug. ncjustice80 Apr 2015 #48
Probably because he isn't practicing without a license and likely never did. WillowTree Apr 2015 #49
I don't care if he is a 'real' doctor ... Trajan Apr 2015 #53
Fuck Rand Paul. He is garbage. Probably cheated his entire life to get where he is now. Rex Apr 2015 #58
I don't have the screen shot graphic anymore but on his website they also misspelled "Education".. Cha Apr 2015 #59
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