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112. I'm not mocking those brave deceased souls who fought and died to secure freedom,

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 03:58 PM

Apr 2015

like my ancestors. But I have no qualms at all about laughing at those who play at their "war games" for amusement . Strangely enough I'm not bothered at all by you passing along my remarks to whomever you chose that might like to dress up as those people, any more than I would be bothered by you telling an actor or actress playing a part in a movie about any remarks I might make about them. But just so we are clear. You are aware that reenactments are playing dress up? If I were to actually say that Harriet Tubman or Susie King Taylor were just "playing" a game that would be a nasty thing to do. But since neither of those two great women in history ever played "dress up games" they have my deepest respect, they actually made a difference in real peoples lives and history.

But go ahead.... play your reenactment games. Nothing wrong with amusement but please don't pretend your reenactments make a difference to anyone other that the ones you reenact your stuff with, that show up dressed as characters from a play.

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Hologram replaces Edward Snowden statue in Brooklyn park....cool [View all] Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 OP

I refuse to laugh. bravenak Apr 2015 #1

I'm not laughing at the defacement of a grave site, either. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #7

It isn't a grave site. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #16

It is a gravesite. I'm well familiar with it, and the crypt that is there. Jeebus..... msanthrope Apr 2015 #19

I didn't need google. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #47

I have no problem memorializing those New Yorkers who died as British prisoners. Why do you? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #52

Problem? ronnie624 Apr 2015 #59

Results of jury service --> nashville_brook Apr 2015 #120

OFFS. Someone alerted on this? BeanMusical Apr 2015 #126

The gravesite for hundreds of civilians is NOT a "glorification of war".... George II Apr 2015 #60

Snowden Is A Hero billhicks76 Apr 2015 #177

Results... Major Nikon Apr 2015 #116

Maybe... Hissyspit Apr 2015 #188

Thank you, but we know how Native American lives are 'valued' in this country so no surprise sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #62

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #149

See what I mean? ronnie624 Apr 2015 #168

I find it creepy. bravenak Apr 2015 #22

Pathetic. Kitty downthread suggested a photoshop msanthrope Apr 2015 #27

I have photoshop. bravenak Apr 2015 #30

Snowden on the head of Lenin in Red Square? msanthrope Apr 2015 #33

Give me a few. bravenak Apr 2015 #38

I got one. A gift. bravenak Apr 2015 #48

OMG! That's great! nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #50

He is too easy. bravenak Apr 2015 #51

SQUEE! KittyWampus Apr 2015 #54

Lol! bravenak Apr 2015 #57

Relax. You'll be fine. randome Apr 2015 #58

That's a keeper. Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #72

Save it for the next time you need to laugh. bravenak Apr 2015 #77

"bust" it out? No pun intended, I'm sure. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #85

I'm no Pinboy3niner but I'm kinda punny. bravenak Apr 2015 #86

You're sculpting quite a reputation for yourself. randome Apr 2015 #87

Thanks. bravenak Apr 2015 #97

carving out a niche for herself KittyWampus Apr 2015 #101

Looks like Keith Olbermann George II Apr 2015 #144

Does it? Hmm. Didn't notice that. bravenak Apr 2015 #146

LOL: "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" FSogol Apr 2015 #44

I do agree on that rpannier Apr 2015 #148

That or wizard of Oz. I found the wizard creepy too, though. bravenak Apr 2015 #150

Girl, so glad it's not just me... Number23 Apr 2015 #162

I'm pretty much done even trying to take it seriously. bravenak Apr 2015 #164

Oh, I'm sure the Edward Snowden action figure will be out soon Number23 Apr 2015 #166

Heh. bravenak Apr 2015 #173

Good for them.... dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #2

Absolutely... KoKo Apr 2015 #6

Because defacing an historical grave site is applause worthy? You do realize that the war dead are msanthrope Apr 2015 #8

Please define "defacing". NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #21

It's a gravesite, and you don't think projecting a face of someone who has nothing to do with it as msanthrope Apr 2015 #24

No, I think "defacing" suggests permanent modification. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #31

So you agree this was disrepecting a gravesite? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #35

That's what I said, but I'm OK with it in light of the cause. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #42

Dunno. These people not only saw Jefferson, they got to see government at work. immoderate Apr 2015 #66

Well, you make a good point but generally, and having been there.... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #75

Got a problem with this? F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #89

Yes, they do more harm to the cause than good. Thoreau, Gandhi, and MLK would agree: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #92

MLK would disagree with non-violent direct action? F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #96

Two items, "if done in a reasonably safe manner" and "direct action".. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #100

PS: "When it's planned out well, it's called "direct action"" NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #105

I don't even see it as "Disrespecting". It's a public park, Autumn Apr 2015 #46

+1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #76

Projecting images is not defacement. morningfog Apr 2015 #34

So you agree that placing the bust and letters yesterday was defacement?? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #37

It is certainly closer. I saw the bust and letters and wondered how they were affixed. morningfog Apr 2015 #40

Kinda like you are defacing and disrespecting this thread? /nt AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #74

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. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #103

! BeanMusical Apr 2015 #127

Photons Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #32

My neutrino gun will cancel out your pathetic little photons! randome Apr 2015 #61

shinning the light seems to upset you Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #71

No, I don't do upset. Mockery, sure. Passive-aggressive, sure. Upset? No. randome Apr 2015 #80

I doubt it. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #82

Paper, scissors, rock, then? randome Apr 2015 #93

Could happen. bvar22 Apr 2015 #133

If I first heard of Snowden when the Travelling Hologram came to town, I'd be turned off by it. arcane1 Apr 2015 #154

How long have you had this consuming passion for protecting old burial sites? Marr Apr 2015 #39

As part of a reenactment group, which I've written about before on DU, I msanthrope Apr 2015 #45

Ah, sensible. We wouldn't want people disrespecting burial sites with things like statues. Marr Apr 2015 #65

I saw one of those reenactments once. You pegged it, playing dress-up and tromping around. Autumn Apr 2015 #78

Indeed.....playing dress up to commemorate these guys....... msanthrope Apr 2015 #95

I'm not mocking those brave deceased souls who fought and died to secure freedom, Autumn Apr 2015 #112

I've had the privilege of reenacting for schools, veteran's groups, movies, msanthrope Apr 2015 #115

Again I'm not laughing at history or actual historical figures, Autumn Apr 2015 #119

I majored in History, too. When I taught it, my students appreciated msanthrope Apr 2015 #122

The Independence Party plays Dress Up too. bvar22 Apr 2015 #134

So do people who go to Ren Faires. Everyone in a costume must be the same! nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #182

A student of history cannot strive to be a part of history, it's in the past. Autumn Apr 2015 #138

Cos play is fun at Comicon as well, or so I have heard Dragonfli Apr 2015 #125

YEP, as someone that also taught history to students...this is just another form of cos play. IMNSHO Rex Apr 2015 #157

Oh I don't have any problems with it at all, my point was it is what it is Dragonfli Apr 2015 #158

Oh yeah, true. I guess some people are far more serious than others. Rex Apr 2015 #159

Lol! BeanMusical Apr 2015 #79

Disagree with someone's opinion and turn to mocking their hobbies. randome Apr 2015 #84

Spare me the feigned indignation. Marr Apr 2015 #88

Guess you missed the part where she said she helps 'preserve' these type of sites. randome Apr 2015 #94

Yeah, that was pretty tacky. Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #91

Oh, Marr.....you did have to use Google, didn't you? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #99

historical reenactments are amazing teaching tools. No better way to learn history KittyWampus Apr 2015 #183

Hey, I have no problem with people playing dress-up. Marr Apr 2015 #192

Say "hi" to the lion for me! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #104

I will...and I'm betting you didn't need to Google it. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #106

No Google necessary, but I've been there with my Belgian cousins and know history. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #108

I lived in Lueven for a year. I can't wait to go back. It's msanthrope Apr 2015 #111

Enjoy! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #113

Lol! n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #63

Interesting. H2O Man Apr 2015 #81

I respect your opinion, and to be perfectly honest, I would probably give Marr Apr 2015 #90

Thank you for your kind words. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #98

Someone using this kind of theater to get a point across is kind of low on the list of things newthinking Apr 2015 #175

Jebuz, it's political speech on public property. appal_jack Apr 2015 #123

I don't think other people's graves are a great place for political speech..... msanthrope Apr 2015 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Apr 2015 #185

"Mommy, I'm scared!" randome Apr 2015 #3

Even the Snowdenistas have to admit the hero worship is getting creepy... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #4

On a gravesite, no less. Perhaps that tells us something. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #9

I'm not sure that the NY Parks Department constitutes "the state", but I get the point. Renew Deal Apr 2015 #5

The "incumbent authoritarianism" of the people who pick up trash and mow lawns!!! nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #10

Am I supposed to bow in reverence, or gaze up lovingly? brooklynite Apr 2015 #11

Faint in untrammeled awe that the Snowden Oracle chose YOU to view its magnificence! randome Apr 2015 #13

Indeed. HappyMe Apr 2015 #17

Another idea- make one of those revolving magic lamps for kids bedside tables... KittyWampus Apr 2015 #23

Ahhh. The heady scent of Snowden in my... randome Apr 2015 #70

You're supposed to be honest. Either you support the exposure of Government malfeasance sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #67

However I feel about the issue, I don't need to engage in hero worship... brooklynite Apr 2015 #69

So a hologram of a NSA wiretap would be as effective? riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #109

The message was already received. The conversation has come and gone. randome Apr 2015 #114

I've been a member of RAWA, a human rights group for women in Afghanistan riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #128

Neither. You can genuflect to your bust of General Clapper. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #117

Since Snowden isn't dead and is available for TV interviews... brooklynite Apr 2015 #118

But Clapper isn't dead either. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #129

Creepy cultists continue to desecrate grave site. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #12

You could at the very least strive for originality in your feigned outrage. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #152

So you disagree with me and think it's okay to disrespect grave sites? geek tragedy Apr 2015 #153

Invalid question. Try again. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #155

In your effort to appear clever, you've achieved quite the opposite geek tragedy Apr 2015 #156

It became a "grave site" 50 years after the fact. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #169

Oy. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #171

Lol. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2015 #172

As if "it became a grave site 50 years after the fact" is a rational argument geek tragedy Apr 2015 #176

Sigh. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #195

Oh the burden of knowing everything and being morally perfect geek tragedy Apr 2015 #196

Of course you're not going to talk about anything important. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #197

Lol, thanks for the psychoanalysis, Dr. Frist. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #198

Oh, geek, I never knew you were so damaged! randome Apr 2015 #202

What are you 'oying' about? It's very obviously true. Marr Apr 2015 #193

+ bvar22 Apr 2015 #199

Hmm...nice but I don't think that is doing him any favors. Rex Apr 2015 #14

It doesn't look as much like him as the bust did. n/t eShirl Apr 2015 #15

Bravo! Dissent is not so easily quashed as the authoritarians would like. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #18

+1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #160

Maybe next they'll knock off Lincoln's head and replace it with snowden's. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #20

Damn, I miss Whisp. We should do that---A Comrade Eddie Momument Photoshop Contest..... msanthrope Apr 2015 #26

Where is Whisp, Skidmore Apr 2015 #43

Banned. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #49

she created a sockpuppet to circumvent a suspension for 5 hidden posts. m-lekktor Apr 2015 #64

Wow... TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #141

Me too, msanthrope. She would be having a field day in this thread with the Cult of Snowden Number23 Apr 2015 #165

Someday America may know who Snowden is and what he'd done. nt valerief Apr 2015 #25

All the Comrades are Proud including ,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author ronnie624 Apr 2015 #170

good for them Douglas Carpenter Apr 2015 #29

Can they project this in other places, off Battery Park, for example? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #36

You ask me, it looks a lot more like Dr Stangelove than Snowden. malthaussen Apr 2015 #41

This is the very definition of obsession. tridim Apr 2015 #53

They're working on the flamingdem Apr 2015 #110

You are not of the body. You will be absorbed. longship Apr 2015 #55

"the State" did not remove the bust, the New York City Parks Department removed it. But.... George II Apr 2015 #56

Cart before the horse? bvar22 Apr 2015 #131

Very good. Why not get him to return to the US for his trial so he can be acquitted? PS - George II Apr 2015 #137

Because Snowden is not stupid, bvar22 Apr 2015 #140

And therein lies the difference between Snowden and Thoreau or MLK Jr.! George II Apr 2015 #142

You have lived in the US for 67 years, bvar22 Apr 2015 #143

You contradict yourself. On the one hand you extol the virtues of the Justice System.... George II Apr 2015 #145

You failed to conflate two distinct issues. bvar22 Apr 2015 #200

I'll ask that Snowden face a court . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #68

Usual suspects Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #73

Yup, very true. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #83

How many work for HB Gary? [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #121

Yeah all 35 of them. Puglover Apr 2015 #179

math must not be your forte............ Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #180

I was actually referring Puglover Apr 2015 #190

I think that's closer to the actual number, yep. Marr Apr 2015 #194

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to ask that Snowden face "hard time" after Petraeus does? Renew Deal Apr 2015 #107

Aww...that's cute... one_voice Apr 2015 #130

I LOVE this. bvar22 Apr 2015 #132

Next Mnpaul Apr 2015 #136

"You can blow out a candle, But you can't blow out a fire; Once the flames begin to catch, The wind canoeist52 Apr 2015 #135

In the future...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #139

TBH rpannier Apr 2015 #147

I'm glad I'm not the only one who does not think it looks like him. bravenak Apr 2015 #151

Nixon didn't bring down Nixon. bvar22 Apr 2015 #203

Hmmmm... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #161

stupid americans seether Apr 2015 #163

Too much coffee there pal? elias49 Apr 2015 #167

Sorry, no. Hissyspit Apr 2015 #186

So cool. zentrum Apr 2015 #174

Well I guess Art Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #178

That is awesome, but I think it looks like Arthur C. Clarke ... Myrina Apr 2015 #181

Photons are a''defacement of a grave site'' Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #184

Photons ... as in 'any kind of light' ? Myrina Apr 2015 #187

Holograms Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #189

Hey Seether . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #191

I love the last sentence: "And it is in sharing that act of defiance that hope resides." jwirr Apr 2015 #201