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In reply to the discussion: So What the Heck Did Greenwald Say at a Memorial Lecture for a Pro-Lyncher That's So Secretive? [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)80. "The mainstream view in the United States is that people do not trust the federal government"
Verbatim quote from his remarks, according to the post earlier in this thread.
More Barry Goldwater than Russ Feingold. This is how the libertarians troll Democrats. They pick issues of agreement, and use them to sow general hostility and distrust of the federal government.
If you really want proof of what a libertarian troll Greenwald is, and how he explicitly wants to help Republicans win elections, I give you this: (26:18)
And thats the position that so many liberals and progressives have been in. Which is, you know, really finding Democratic policies to be repellant and yet at the same time, at the end of the day saying, well youve convinced me that theyre just a tiny, little bit worse. And the only way to break that is to say well, even though I know that by abstaining or supporting a third party, Im going to be sacrificing some of my short term political interests; Im going to be causing a few more Republicans to be elected than otherwise might be elected; on balance, Im willing to sacrifice my short term interests in order to do something to subvert the stranglehold that these two parties have on the political process because electing more Democrats, even though its a little less scary, accomplishes nothing good.And everyones going to have to decide for themselves when they get to that point, and I think and hope that that point is pretty close. And if Obama does move to the center as the consensus is telling him that he should and starts doing things like cutting Social Security, which theyre revving up to do if they can get consensus on, in a very short period of time, I think youre gonna see lots and lots of progressives and Democrats even people who hated the Naderites for abandoning the party, start to entertain those options, and a lot sooner rather than later. And I hope thats the case.
https://badgerherald.com/news/2010/11/03/does-us-use-terroris/
Greenwald's explicit viewpoint is:
1) there is literally no good that comes from electing more Democrats to office;
2) the best thing to happen is that Democrats start losing elections to Republicans
He is a libertarian troll, and deserves no other consideration.
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So What the Heck Did Greenwald Say at a Memorial Lecture for a Pro-Lyncher That's So Secretive? [View all]
msanthrope
Apr 2015
OP
Hm. I wonder what overly-sensitive Glenn Greenwald supporters on DU have to say about this?
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2015
#1
Glenn hasn't posted it anywhere I can find. I really do want to read what he said about
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#13
Me, too. One thing we can safely gamble on is, it wasn't anything negative. He'd otherwise
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2015
#14
Hopefully someday the Greenwald and Snowden fans will realize they have been fooled.
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#7
If John Oliver's brilliant playing of Comrade Eddie didn't convince 'em, nothing will. nt
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#10
Nope. They'll spin it to make it sound positive, as one poster already has done here on DU. eom
BlueCaliDem
Apr 2015
#15
I thought it was pretty obvious there that Oliver was criticizing both the apathetic public and our
Marr
Apr 2015
#64
I think joshcryer explained it perfectly---Snowden fucked up when he involved Greenwald,
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#55
I could agree with that. He should have gone to an I.G. or to a white house deputy chief of staff or
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#57
I blame Greenwald on that point. He was a lawyer....he knew precisely the legal jeopardy Snowden
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#60
Greenwald definitely knew better but I'm not ready to say Snowden bears no responsibility
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#63
Well, as joshcryer, and Recursion, and I have all indicated, it's entirely possible that Snowden
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#65
If either of them had good intentions and were out for "the right thing" their actions would have
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#47
I love the legal fiction that Sumners was denied a SCOTUS berth because of his opposition to
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#12
Yet Hugo Black, who also opposed anti-lynching legislation and had belonged to the KKK, was chosen.
deurbano
Apr 2015
#34
Black was pro-New Deal. I wonder if the 'FDR Democrats' want to claim him as one of their
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#51
Black was anti-lynching legislation, but not pro-lynching. Sumners took it farther, justifying
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#62
Roosevelt actually did choose a Supreme Court Justice who was pro-lynching, someone who didn't
deurbano
Apr 2015
#92
Indeed...so I wonder if the self-described FDR democrats on this site appreciate
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#99
You're reporting on where GG is lecturing for Koch money and "hit job" is all they can come up with?
Cha
Apr 2015
#31
He talked about how mass government surveillance is the antithesis of the 4th Amendment
Cheese Sandwich
Apr 2015
#21
those are all libertarian values too. He never sticks his neck out to urge the government
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#72
Well, no, it's also his penchant for engaging in hysterical, shrill attacks against
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#75
"The mainstream view in the United States is that people do not trust the federal government"
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#80
I think you mistakenly assume I have some agenda to discredit his NSA revelations.
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#82
which is all fine and good, but understand there is considerable suspicion of him as far as where
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#97
Should be mentioned that Greenwald publically supported several progressive Democrats
Chathamization
Apr 2015
#100
Now he is sounding like Ted Cruz. This is one of Cruz' favorite things to say:
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#52
Except that many of his "revelations" have been refuted, and it actually does matter
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#24
I started an OP on refutations of Greenwald/Smowden claims. Result: zilch, nothing.
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2015
#25
An attorney should have a better grasp of the word proof and its usage.
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2015
#83
Out of all the speakers in this series-including James Carville, Romney, Netanyahu, Erskine Bowles,
Chathamization
Apr 2015
#44
Those people are wingnut Republicans. You're telling us GG is no different? nt
geek tragedy
Apr 2015
#48
So it's all secret hush-hush what Greenwald was up to at the NCPA? If this were Hillary there would
Cha
Apr 2015
#32
Same reason I'm disgusted by anyone who's applied for a Fulbright scholarship
Chathamization
Apr 2015
#33
Well, the messenger does change the reporting. For example, Greenwald's reporting on Anwar Awlaki
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#58
I know what you mean. And Little Green Footballs?! Charles Johnson & his posters have been stalking
deurbano
Apr 2015
#93
I've never been to a memorial lecture when the lecturer did not mention the person being honored....
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#68
I find it funny that a talk on the NSA/Snowden wasn't mentioned by GG, and there are no
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#56