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rpannier

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147. TBH

Reply to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:40 PM

Apr 2015

1. I don't think it looks much like him. It certainly is a poor cousin to the holographic image the now PM of India used in his campaign
2. I don't get he idolization of the person. I am supportive of him releasing information, of him leaving (several prominent whistle-blowers support it as well) but he's become the focus and not the information. I'd like to see less talk about Snowden and more talk about the specifics of what is out there.
'The government has been spying!' Okay, true. But how about discussing the specifics of what they're doing, how they're doing it, etc. Instead of it being about him.
Mark Felt didn't bring down Nixon. What Nixon did brought him down.
3. If he were dead I would probably feel differently though. Martyrs become symbols of the oppression or criminal behavior. The problem is still when they become the topic and not the wrongs that are happening.

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Hologram replaces Edward Snowden statue in Brooklyn park....cool [View all] Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 OP

I refuse to laugh. bravenak Apr 2015 #1

I'm not laughing at the defacement of a grave site, either. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #7

It isn't a grave site. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #16

It is a gravesite. I'm well familiar with it, and the crypt that is there. Jeebus..... msanthrope Apr 2015 #19

I didn't need google. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #47

I have no problem memorializing those New Yorkers who died as British prisoners. Why do you? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #52

Problem? ronnie624 Apr 2015 #59

Results of jury service --> nashville_brook Apr 2015 #120

OFFS. Someone alerted on this? BeanMusical Apr 2015 #126

The gravesite for hundreds of civilians is NOT a "glorification of war".... George II Apr 2015 #60

Snowden Is A Hero billhicks76 Apr 2015 #177

Results... Major Nikon Apr 2015 #116

Maybe... Hissyspit Apr 2015 #188

Thank you, but we know how Native American lives are 'valued' in this country so no surprise sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #62

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #149

See what I mean? ronnie624 Apr 2015 #168

I find it creepy. bravenak Apr 2015 #22

Pathetic. Kitty downthread suggested a photoshop msanthrope Apr 2015 #27

I have photoshop. bravenak Apr 2015 #30

Snowden on the head of Lenin in Red Square? msanthrope Apr 2015 #33

Give me a few. bravenak Apr 2015 #38

I got one. A gift. bravenak Apr 2015 #48

OMG! That's great! nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #50

He is too easy. bravenak Apr 2015 #51

SQUEE! KittyWampus Apr 2015 #54

Lol! bravenak Apr 2015 #57

Relax. You'll be fine. randome Apr 2015 #58

That's a keeper. Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #72

Save it for the next time you need to laugh. bravenak Apr 2015 #77

"bust" it out? No pun intended, I'm sure. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #85

I'm no Pinboy3niner but I'm kinda punny. bravenak Apr 2015 #86

You're sculpting quite a reputation for yourself. randome Apr 2015 #87

Thanks. bravenak Apr 2015 #97

carving out a niche for herself KittyWampus Apr 2015 #101

Looks like Keith Olbermann George II Apr 2015 #144

Does it? Hmm. Didn't notice that. bravenak Apr 2015 #146

LOL: "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" FSogol Apr 2015 #44

I do agree on that rpannier Apr 2015 #148

That or wizard of Oz. I found the wizard creepy too, though. bravenak Apr 2015 #150

Girl, so glad it's not just me... Number23 Apr 2015 #162

I'm pretty much done even trying to take it seriously. bravenak Apr 2015 #164

Oh, I'm sure the Edward Snowden action figure will be out soon Number23 Apr 2015 #166

Heh. bravenak Apr 2015 #173

Good for them.... dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #2

Absolutely... KoKo Apr 2015 #6

Because defacing an historical grave site is applause worthy? You do realize that the war dead are msanthrope Apr 2015 #8

Please define "defacing". NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #21

It's a gravesite, and you don't think projecting a face of someone who has nothing to do with it as msanthrope Apr 2015 #24

No, I think "defacing" suggests permanent modification. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #31

So you agree this was disrepecting a gravesite? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #35

That's what I said, but I'm OK with it in light of the cause. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #42

Dunno. These people not only saw Jefferson, they got to see government at work. immoderate Apr 2015 #66

Well, you make a good point but generally, and having been there.... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #75

Got a problem with this? F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #89

Yes, they do more harm to the cause than good. Thoreau, Gandhi, and MLK would agree: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #92

MLK would disagree with non-violent direct action? F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #96

Two items, "if done in a reasonably safe manner" and "direct action".. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #100

PS: "When it's planned out well, it's called "direct action"" NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #105

I don't even see it as "Disrespecting". It's a public park, Autumn Apr 2015 #46

+1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #76

Projecting images is not defacement. morningfog Apr 2015 #34

So you agree that placing the bust and letters yesterday was defacement?? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #37

It is certainly closer. I saw the bust and letters and wondered how they were affixed. morningfog Apr 2015 #40

Kinda like you are defacing and disrespecting this thread? /nt AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #74

. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #102

. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #103

! BeanMusical Apr 2015 #127

Photons Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #32

My neutrino gun will cancel out your pathetic little photons! randome Apr 2015 #61

shinning the light seems to upset you Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #71

No, I don't do upset. Mockery, sure. Passive-aggressive, sure. Upset? No. randome Apr 2015 #80

I doubt it. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #82

Paper, scissors, rock, then? randome Apr 2015 #93

Could happen. bvar22 Apr 2015 #133

If I first heard of Snowden when the Travelling Hologram came to town, I'd be turned off by it. arcane1 Apr 2015 #154

How long have you had this consuming passion for protecting old burial sites? Marr Apr 2015 #39

As part of a reenactment group, which I've written about before on DU, I msanthrope Apr 2015 #45

Ah, sensible. We wouldn't want people disrespecting burial sites with things like statues. Marr Apr 2015 #65

I saw one of those reenactments once. You pegged it, playing dress-up and tromping around. Autumn Apr 2015 #78

Indeed.....playing dress up to commemorate these guys....... msanthrope Apr 2015 #95

I'm not mocking those brave deceased souls who fought and died to secure freedom, Autumn Apr 2015 #112

I've had the privilege of reenacting for schools, veteran's groups, movies, msanthrope Apr 2015 #115

Again I'm not laughing at history or actual historical figures, Autumn Apr 2015 #119

I majored in History, too. When I taught it, my students appreciated msanthrope Apr 2015 #122

The Independence Party plays Dress Up too. bvar22 Apr 2015 #134

So do people who go to Ren Faires. Everyone in a costume must be the same! nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #182

A student of history cannot strive to be a part of history, it's in the past. Autumn Apr 2015 #138

Cos play is fun at Comicon as well, or so I have heard Dragonfli Apr 2015 #125

YEP, as someone that also taught history to students...this is just another form of cos play. IMNSHO Rex Apr 2015 #157

Oh I don't have any problems with it at all, my point was it is what it is Dragonfli Apr 2015 #158

Oh yeah, true. I guess some people are far more serious than others. Rex Apr 2015 #159

Lol! BeanMusical Apr 2015 #79

Disagree with someone's opinion and turn to mocking their hobbies. randome Apr 2015 #84

Spare me the feigned indignation. Marr Apr 2015 #88

Guess you missed the part where she said she helps 'preserve' these type of sites. randome Apr 2015 #94

Yeah, that was pretty tacky. Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #91

Oh, Marr.....you did have to use Google, didn't you? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #99

historical reenactments are amazing teaching tools. No better way to learn history KittyWampus Apr 2015 #183

Hey, I have no problem with people playing dress-up. Marr Apr 2015 #192

Say "hi" to the lion for me! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #104

I will...and I'm betting you didn't need to Google it. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #106

No Google necessary, but I've been there with my Belgian cousins and know history. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #108

I lived in Lueven for a year. I can't wait to go back. It's msanthrope Apr 2015 #111

Enjoy! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #113

Lol! n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #63

Interesting. H2O Man Apr 2015 #81

I respect your opinion, and to be perfectly honest, I would probably give Marr Apr 2015 #90

Thank you for your kind words. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #98

Someone using this kind of theater to get a point across is kind of low on the list of things newthinking Apr 2015 #175

Jebuz, it's political speech on public property. appal_jack Apr 2015 #123

I don't think other people's graves are a great place for political speech..... msanthrope Apr 2015 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Apr 2015 #185

"Mommy, I'm scared!" randome Apr 2015 #3

Even the Snowdenistas have to admit the hero worship is getting creepy... Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #4

On a gravesite, no less. Perhaps that tells us something. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #9

I'm not sure that the NY Parks Department constitutes "the state", but I get the point. Renew Deal Apr 2015 #5

The "incumbent authoritarianism" of the people who pick up trash and mow lawns!!! nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #10

Am I supposed to bow in reverence, or gaze up lovingly? brooklynite Apr 2015 #11

Faint in untrammeled awe that the Snowden Oracle chose YOU to view its magnificence! randome Apr 2015 #13

Indeed. HappyMe Apr 2015 #17

Another idea- make one of those revolving magic lamps for kids bedside tables... KittyWampus Apr 2015 #23

Ahhh. The heady scent of Snowden in my... randome Apr 2015 #70

You're supposed to be honest. Either you support the exposure of Government malfeasance sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #67

However I feel about the issue, I don't need to engage in hero worship... brooklynite Apr 2015 #69

So a hologram of a NSA wiretap would be as effective? riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #109

The message was already received. The conversation has come and gone. randome Apr 2015 #114

I've been a member of RAWA, a human rights group for women in Afghanistan riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #128

Neither. You can genuflect to your bust of General Clapper. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #117

Since Snowden isn't dead and is available for TV interviews... brooklynite Apr 2015 #118

But Clapper isn't dead either. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #129

Creepy cultists continue to desecrate grave site. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #12

You could at the very least strive for originality in your feigned outrage. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #152

So you disagree with me and think it's okay to disrespect grave sites? geek tragedy Apr 2015 #153

Invalid question. Try again. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #155

In your effort to appear clever, you've achieved quite the opposite geek tragedy Apr 2015 #156

It became a "grave site" 50 years after the fact. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #169

Oy. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #171

Lol. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2015 #172

As if "it became a grave site 50 years after the fact" is a rational argument geek tragedy Apr 2015 #176

Sigh. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #195

Oh the burden of knowing everything and being morally perfect geek tragedy Apr 2015 #196

Of course you're not going to talk about anything important. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #197

Lol, thanks for the psychoanalysis, Dr. Frist. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #198

Oh, geek, I never knew you were so damaged! randome Apr 2015 #202

What are you 'oying' about? It's very obviously true. Marr Apr 2015 #193

+ bvar22 Apr 2015 #199

Hmm...nice but I don't think that is doing him any favors. Rex Apr 2015 #14

It doesn't look as much like him as the bust did. n/t eShirl Apr 2015 #15

Bravo! Dissent is not so easily quashed as the authoritarians would like. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #18

+1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #160

Maybe next they'll knock off Lincoln's head and replace it with snowden's. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #20

Damn, I miss Whisp. We should do that---A Comrade Eddie Momument Photoshop Contest..... msanthrope Apr 2015 #26

Where is Whisp, Skidmore Apr 2015 #43

Banned. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #49

she created a sockpuppet to circumvent a suspension for 5 hidden posts. m-lekktor Apr 2015 #64

Wow... TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #141

Me too, msanthrope. She would be having a field day in this thread with the Cult of Snowden Number23 Apr 2015 #165

Someday America may know who Snowden is and what he'd done. nt valerief Apr 2015 #25

All the Comrades are Proud including ,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author ronnie624 Apr 2015 #170

good for them Douglas Carpenter Apr 2015 #29

Can they project this in other places, off Battery Park, for example? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #36

You ask me, it looks a lot more like Dr Stangelove than Snowden. malthaussen Apr 2015 #41

This is the very definition of obsession. tridim Apr 2015 #53

They're working on the flamingdem Apr 2015 #110

You are not of the body. You will be absorbed. longship Apr 2015 #55

"the State" did not remove the bust, the New York City Parks Department removed it. But.... George II Apr 2015 #56

Cart before the horse? bvar22 Apr 2015 #131

Very good. Why not get him to return to the US for his trial so he can be acquitted? PS - George II Apr 2015 #137

Because Snowden is not stupid, bvar22 Apr 2015 #140

And therein lies the difference between Snowden and Thoreau or MLK Jr.! George II Apr 2015 #142

You have lived in the US for 67 years, bvar22 Apr 2015 #143

You contradict yourself. On the one hand you extol the virtues of the Justice System.... George II Apr 2015 #145

You failed to conflate two distinct issues. bvar22 Apr 2015 #200

I'll ask that Snowden face a court . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #68

Usual suspects Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #73

Yup, very true. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #83

How many work for HB Gary? [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #121

Yeah all 35 of them. Puglover Apr 2015 #179

math must not be your forte............ Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #180

I was actually referring Puglover Apr 2015 #190

I think that's closer to the actual number, yep. Marr Apr 2015 #194

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to ask that Snowden face "hard time" after Petraeus does? Renew Deal Apr 2015 #107

Aww...that's cute... one_voice Apr 2015 #130

I LOVE this. bvar22 Apr 2015 #132

Next Mnpaul Apr 2015 #136

"You can blow out a candle, But you can't blow out a fire; Once the flames begin to catch, The wind canoeist52 Apr 2015 #135

In the future...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #139

TBH rpannier Apr 2015 #147

I'm glad I'm not the only one who does not think it looks like him. bravenak Apr 2015 #151

Nixon didn't bring down Nixon. bvar22 Apr 2015 #203

Hmmmm... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #161

stupid americans seether Apr 2015 #163

Too much coffee there pal? elias49 Apr 2015 #167

Sorry, no. Hissyspit Apr 2015 #186

So cool. zentrum Apr 2015 #174

Well I guess Art Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #178

That is awesome, but I think it looks like Arthur C. Clarke ... Myrina Apr 2015 #181

Photons are a''defacement of a grave site'' Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #184

Photons ... as in 'any kind of light' ? Myrina Apr 2015 #187

Holograms Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #189

Hey Seether . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #191

I love the last sentence: "And it is in sharing that act of defiance that hope resides." jwirr Apr 2015 #201