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jeff47

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49. Involvement does not equal results.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:34 PM
Apr 2015

In theory, involvement in a democratic system yields results.

In reality, that is frequently not the case.

I started a "yay voters" thread, and you immediately minimized the achievement of the voters

You started a "stupid and lazy voters finally did the right thing" thread, dressed up in positive language.

What, exactly, did you think those voters were doing in all the previous elections? Because this thread heavily implies you only have a positive opinion now.

You have since further minimized the voters by insisting that the candidates are more important than the voters

We do not get to choose from every possible candidate. And even if our chosen candidate runs, they can still do a terrible job with their campaign.

Our political system exists. It is not something you can ignore and say "it's all the voters". Because the voters do not have every option available. If you'd like a nice, shining example, take a look at 1968's primary.

The voters are ultimately responsible.

Yeah, I used to think so. Then I turned 18. And quickly learned that voters are only given carefully screened options to choose from. I was told to stop whining and vote for more tax cuts funded by benefit cuts. Because that's what the anointed candidate supported, and we can't have anyone harming party unity.

I strongly expect our difference of opinions is generational. My generation doesn't have enough people in it to even get a name - that's why we're "Generation X". Marketers could be bothered to study us enough to give us a label, because we weren't relevant to the bottom line. And only the younger half of our small generation leans left.

As a result of that small size, we have extremely small political power. We weren't needed to win, and we wanted things that were inconvenient to the generations that were larger. Be as motivated and educated as you want, but when you're outnumbered 2 to 1 you aren't going to get your needs addressed.

Millennials are large enough to start getting some traction on those issues, but the entrenched party leadership is trying very hard to figure out how to not address them and still win. In the long run, that will no longer be sustainable. But the party will try to keep it going for a while. Using tactics such as "stupid, lazy voters stayed home so we lost". You're making the same argument, just using the positive-sounding inverse.

Voters do not have infinite choices due to the structure of our two-party system. As a result, it is not all up to the voters.

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+++ 1,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Apr 2015 #1
TY. riqster Apr 2015 #10
That's a good start, but the real measure will be whether systematic changes happen. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #2
And whether voters remain engaged. riqster Apr 2015 #5
It is a great start. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #60
Certainly looks that way. riqster Apr 2015 #61
Word. RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #3
Some of each, I would say. riqster Apr 2015 #7
This is great news! City Lights Apr 2015 #4
Thanks. I see other posts as well. riqster Apr 2015 #6
Now if they can do this in the next election, the citizens can have control of their own town. -none Apr 2015 #8
Exactly. riqster Apr 2015 #9
Good job, Citizens of Ferguson, keep participating! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #11
Yep! riqster Apr 2015 #12
I thought of Ferguson yesterday as I was voting Sienna86 Apr 2015 #13
Agreed. When I saw them start GOTV right away, I was hopeful. riqster Apr 2015 #15
Good for them, long overdue CanonRay Apr 2015 #14
Well said. riqster Apr 2015 #16
Still only 30%. And two of the three were won by the de facto incumbents. ieoeja Apr 2015 #17
The highest turnout in ward history. riqster Apr 2015 #23
People In Ferguson Were Motivated...... global1 Apr 2015 #18
Very true. riqster Apr 2015 #24
Change is hard. We will lose many elections. jeff47 Apr 2015 #27
It Needs To Go Both Ways..... global1 Apr 2015 #41
IMO, you're reading too much into Chicago. jeff47 Apr 2015 #43
In Ferguson The People's Desire For Change Turned Into Change..... global1 Apr 2015 #50
Because candidates magically appear on the ballot. jeff47 Apr 2015 #51
President Obama has shouted the messsge of VOTE so many times he must be sick of saying so. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #19
I am sure the anti-vote people will do their best to spin this their way. riqster Apr 2015 #25
Voting does matter. Dems, Green or other progressive/moderate groups need to Iliyah Apr 2015 #20
Candidates are not entitled to votes. Candidates have to earn votes. jeff47 Apr 2015 #22
Voters should just sit back and wait for a perfect candidate? riqster Apr 2015 #28
No, Ferguson proves busting your ass to get votes works. jeff47 Apr 2015 #21
Yes knocking on doors helps Andy823 Apr 2015 #26
That's why you knock on doors all day long. jeff47 Apr 2015 #32
Yes, GOTV efforts were crucial. They had tents set up right after the shit started to fly. riqster Apr 2015 #30
The alternative is blaming stupid voters for the loss. jeff47 Apr 2015 #33
That is a top-down, elitist approach. riqster Apr 2015 #34
No, the elitist approach is assuming the voters are not doing that. jeff47 Apr 2015 #40
No, I said no such thing. riqster Apr 2015 #42
It's the obvious implication from what you did say. jeff47 Apr 2015 #44
I am advocating active personal involvement. riqster Apr 2015 #45
Well, you're the one calling voters stupid and lazy. jeff47 Apr 2015 #46
And here is a short summation of mine: riqster Apr 2015 #47
Involvement does not equal results. jeff47 Apr 2015 #49
Telepathic, you're not. riqster Apr 2015 #57
More than double the typical turnout.. a great start.. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #29
A great achievement. riqster Apr 2015 #31
You bet it does, which is exactly why it has to be higher. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #35
True. Non-involvement emboldens and enables the PTB. riqster Apr 2015 #37
That is great news. Thank you for posting this! DrewFlorida Apr 2015 #36
Thanks. riqster Apr 2015 #38
Yep ,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #39
Can felons vote in MO? When it comes to voting in Ferguson, I end up wondering how targeting ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2015 #48
Not sure. That varies from state to state. riqster Apr 2015 #53
Every vote counts. Not voting ends up hurting everyone. Rex Apr 2015 #52
I hammer away at GOTFV and election integrity for just that reason. riqster Apr 2015 #54
AMEN and AMEN!! uponit7771 Apr 2015 #55
GOTFV! riqster Apr 2015 #56
Well said rigster. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #58
Thanks Rick. riqster Apr 2015 #59
Voting does work. lovemydog Apr 2015 #62
Indeed. Local elections matter. riqster Apr 2015 #64
Absolutely! Egnever Apr 2015 #63
The"expert" interviewed in the MSM story downplayed the significance. riqster Apr 2015 #65
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