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joshcryer

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76. Take the ISDS TPP revelations.

Wed Apr 8, 2015, 07:03 PM

Apr 2015

The very day that the revelations came out, leaked by Wikileaks, Fox News was running a story about how it would let foreign companies sue the US, etc.

Now, Elizabeth Warren had wrote about ISDS a few weeks prior, and it garnered a whole one thread. One thread! Like a half dozen of responses. Most of which were me even!

Fast forward to the "revelations." Same exact information, absolutely identical information. "TPP uses ISDS." Dozens of threads spawned. Dozens.

This is just the first page of Google:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026440549
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026415083
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026357276
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026417822
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026422709

We are driven by mainstream media, not by civics, not by duty, but by a media environment that literally motivates our own actions. It is beyond incredible how easily fooled human beings can be when they drive into these mass mainstream narratives.

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Calling Hillary Clinton Supporters On DU "Operatives" Is Ugly [View all] KittyWampus Apr 2015 OP

Remember Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2015 #1

Also, paid Wes Clark shill. Actually, according to some, Wes Clark ran to siphon votes from Dean KittyWampus Apr 2015 #5

HOLY CRAP! elleng Apr 2015 #84

I was a Wes Clark delegate Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #86

Oh yeah, Like some around here kept bullying ProSense that she was a "paid shill".. I cannot count Cha Apr 2015 #92

I wonder what's taking him so long to disburse my check. nt Jamaal510 Apr 2015 #95

Yes. While I am not keen on Hillary Clinton I can see why other people would be el_bryanto Apr 2015 #2

So is calling those who do not care for Hillary rat-fuckers, right-wingers, trolls, etc. djean111 Apr 2015 #3

Don't forget Puglover Apr 2015 #4

Oh, yes, I forgot - anyone who disagrees with what we can make out of Hillary's policies djean111 Apr 2015 #8

how is calling someone who supports Hillary an operative talking about her policies? KittyWampus Apr 2015 #12

What I am pointing out is how some HRC supporters call anyone who does not support her djean111 Apr 2015 #16

Then perhaps you should start a thread about it, rather than attempting ... 11 Bravo Apr 2015 #21

Then perhaps you should start a thread about it AlbertCat Apr 2015 #40

Too much logic there, AlbertCat. But thanks! djean111 Apr 2015 #51

My favorite, too. 840high Apr 2015 #29

When DU'ers post right wing garbage against her- they very well might. You don't see the difference? KittyWampus Apr 2015 #6

+1 Couldn't agree more! B Calm Apr 2015 #9

"Right wing garbage" seems now to include anything about Hillary that anyone does not care for. djean111 Apr 2015 #11

Well, I resent the stupid anti-Hillary garbage posted here cause it forces me to defend her. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #15

"Stupid anti-hillary garbage" to some, includes any question about her past record tularetom Apr 2015 #66

This. Disagreeing with Hillary on policy is the same as hate to many of her supporters. n/t Dawgs Apr 2015 #17

Haven't seen much of this "disagreeing on policy" you speak of.... because Her POLICIES VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #52

She helped write the TPP and has spoken in favor of it. There have been links to this posted many djean111 Apr 2015 #63

so has Obama....but lets see your evidence of her transgression...what you just said is EXACTLY VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #65

Her "transgression"? Word salad time, I guess. I do not support any politician who supports djean111 Apr 2015 #68

Here let me do it for you... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #69

That is also word salad. Those who have read the TPP say that there are no actual enforcements. djean111 Apr 2015 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Apr 2015 #82

By the way...still no evidence.....otherwise it is still just rhetoric! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #70

What you posted - is merely actual campaign rhetoric. But we shall see soon how Hillary plans to djean111 Apr 2015 #74

If Fox News or Limbaugh is running with it... joshcryer Apr 2015 #60

If Hillary is for the TPP, for example, and I am against the TPP, and Fox or Limbaugh is against the djean111 Apr 2015 #61

Not at all. joshcryer Apr 2015 #67

Actually, the right wing loves the TPP. McConnell said it is the one thing he can certainly work djean111 Apr 2015 #71

Take the ISDS TPP revelations. joshcryer Apr 2015 #76

I have been posting against the TPP for over a year. I don't need right wing sites to get info djean111 Apr 2015 #78

Ran a search - looks like I have been posting about the TPP since 2013. djean111 Apr 2015 #80

Oh and let's no forget "Rand Paul clowns" mylye2222 Apr 2015 #89

What, exactly, is the right wing garbage that DUers are posting? Can I have an example? djean111 Apr 2015 #64

If someone is breathlessly quoting the Benghazi committee and/or right wing sources emulatorloo Apr 2015 #75

I would understand it if I read that stuff. I honestly do not remember any DUers believing djean111 Apr 2015 #77

Yes there are many legit issues one can criticize HRC for. That is why it disturbs me to see RW smears emulatorloo Apr 2015 #81

Yes. And it disturbs me when legit issues are dismissed as RW smears, too. djean111 Apr 2015 #83

Rest assured Gman Apr 2015 #10

If it rat fucks like a rat fucker it's a ratfucker. joshcryer Apr 2015 #59

Not "caring for" someone is not equivalent to the kind of garbage that gets posted regularly abt HRC Hekate Apr 2015 #62

+ a kabillion. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2015 #79

yes it is. and dumb as hell. cali Apr 2015 #7

They can call me what they want. I don't give a rip. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #13

Recommended H2O Man Apr 2015 #14

No surprise here... MattSh Apr 2015 #18

Haters, ratfuckers, trolls and a few other names that Non Supporters are Autumn Apr 2015 #19

Should Hillary become our nominee, I'll immediately become Snarkoleptic Apr 2015 #20

I have no problem being called a "paid operative" for Hillary leftofcool Apr 2015 #22

The truth is: There ARE paid antagonists who post on DU Trajan Apr 2015 #23

No such thing exists oberliner Apr 2015 #24

DU is so miniscule in the grand scheme. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #35

Present some evidence. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #42

Nah....the NSA used to pay for posting here, but given DU's traffic, msanthrope Apr 2015 #44

Kitty, I agree completely and see the attacks as an attempt to make people uncomfortable karynnj Apr 2015 #25

I am not, nor have I ever been, a Hillary supporter. Don't like her. Don't want her. And that KittyWampus Apr 2015 #31

I have this same issue... Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #36

Same here for the same reasons karynnj Apr 2015 #46

I'm on that spectrum, Kitty, though probably not as strongly as you. Here I am defending her record Hekate Apr 2015 #72

the attacks as an attempt to make people uncomfortable AlbertCat Apr 2015 #43

Believe me, I know - because I know how intimidating it was to me karynnj Apr 2015 #45

Key word is absolutely "bullying", karyn. And, what I saw wasn't subtle bullying, either. Cha Apr 2015 #93

Well said & thank you. William769 Apr 2015 #26

It's a lazy tactic used by both her supporters and her detractors. jeff47 Apr 2015 #27

I Totally Agree Brett Fitz Apr 2015 #28

Would you prefer moles? AngryAmish Apr 2015 #30

I'm not a paid shill for anyone or anything ... ananda Apr 2015 #32

I am still waiting for Hillary to sign my check. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #33

I am also waiting for the check to be signed Gothmog Apr 2015 #37

I just recieved my five figure check for one weeks work... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #38

5 figure????????????? leftofcool Apr 2015 #56

And I'm only a mid level internet operative./NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #58

Mine hasn't come, either. okasha Apr 2015 #88

I think it's easier to compile a list of people here who aren't allegedly paid shills for somebody NuclearDem Apr 2015 #34

K&R! stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #39

I don't mind. I think it sounds kind of dashing! Adrahil Apr 2015 #41

Not Operatives or Minions Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #48

I agree. I don't support Hillary much. But let's not demean Damansarajaya Apr 2015 #49

Boris and Natasha disagree! Rex Apr 2015 #50

How does it compare to MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #53

Well, having been told that my lack of desire for a Clinton presidency makes me a Paulbot... Scootaloo Apr 2015 #54

Or told repeatedly that Warren isn't running so don't even think about a Warren candidacy Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #96

No worse than what people opposed to Hillary are called here. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #55

this is what I wrote in response to the "operatives" post guillaumeb Apr 2015 #57

Meh daredtowork Apr 2015 #85

Agreed! Scurrilous Apr 2015 #87

well re the nagative comments about HRC... mylye2222 Apr 2015 #90

Perhaps if she is the nominee Skinner will let us have stars for free? n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #91

Posters get called all kinds of names and nasty shit on DU. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #94