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freshwest

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12. Rehabilitation has worked in Scandinavia. But they are committed to a whole social solution, not
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 07:24 AM
Apr 2015
just in the prison system. Some people are hard wired to not give a damn who they hurt They are only concerned about themselves. That fits some politicans and individuals.

Having seen the damage done to victims of such crimes as the raping young children, the lack of empathy is simply not there and cannot be taught or talked out of doing it again. They can't be rehabilitated and will commit the same offenses again.

Some were victims who turned into perpertrators. Some, and these are the really disturbing ones, were not victims but enjoyed the thrill or the profit in some cases from what they did. I don't want them on the street.

Their victims carry a life sentence and are hard wired to not be able to cope or manage productive relations with anyone, some of them. Only 'lucky' ones, if someone who has had their minds broken can ever be thought to be 'lucky,' get costly, long-term, staffed professional help.

Others become shut ins, never get to achieve anything in life, or in the most severe cases I've seen, are institutionalized because they have lost their minds altogether. I won't go into details, as it's not my right to tell them. I've just seen too much and this has to be stopped.

I don't see an particularly liberal or humane to stop it except for long terms of incarceration. I've had the discussions of rehabilitation and my hopes for some with a number of legal and professional persons. After one discussion with a very caring attorney, she finally said to me, 'Not all people can be helped. Some are simply broken beyond repair.'

It was a very sobering thought. and against my more idealist thinking that 'anyone' can be changed. Some don't want to change, some can't. It may be for no fault of their own. But they will not stop what they are doing to the innocent. And they should be the ones protected first, to prevent more destruction of lives.

I'm sure that's not the answer you want to hear, as most people here want B&W solutions. I have not seen that. I have seen people that were beaten, starved, gang raped and video taped their crimes while held that way for a long time. In one case, the only way to prosecute them was to nab the one for child pornography posted on line where they arranged for more people to come and rape the child they held.

The rest all got off because the child could not testify in court. I have known this victim for twenty years now and their life is a living hell even with the best help that could be given. That life was stolen. The one who put the images on line will be out of prison soon, if not already. The victim and family are terrrified this individual or their pals might get at this person again.

Tell me what you think of all those men who are living free and walking the streets involved with them, who are likely doing the same thing today, and not going to be prosecutted. I realized these are extreme cases I am talking about, but I guarantee you, no rape victim sees rape as a mistake, like that judge in CA claimed the man that raped the three year old girl, just because she was there, so no big deal, ya know?

You want to rehabilitate that guy or the judge? Do you think the little girl will forget? Or do you want to make sure he never gets out?

Like I said, if this was Scandinavia with its social system, I'd have hopes. But not here. And there are too many wounded no one ever hears about. They are often not in the news. But there are people who have to clean up after all of this, and they and the victims never get a day in court, no one talks about their rights. I'm not the same person I was at one time, before I learned all this agony. There are a lot of blighted lives and it seems few people care, it's as if they don't exist, because they have no power.




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I have no idea what you are talking about marym625 Apr 2015 #1
Are people drooling over the idea of Tsarnaev suffering? Chemisse Apr 2015 #2
This post really applies to most discussions here about prison. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #4
I didn't see them, probably already in my 'not you again' section of my ignore list. freshwest Apr 2015 #5
Do you believe rehabilitation is sometimes possible also? I like to think that KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #11
Rehabilitation has worked in Scandinavia. But they are committed to a whole social solution, not freshwest Apr 2015 #12
I think I may have missed the subtext of your reply to which I was responding where KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #13
RE: the 3 yr-old rapist sentencing: IMHO, the judge's reasoning is very disturbing... jonno99 Apr 2015 #33
Yes. Orsino Apr 2015 #26
Tsarnaev is going to spend years processing this stuff Warpy Apr 2015 #3
Assuming the "controlling older brother".... sendero Apr 2015 #10
Life is so simple for legalists Warpy Apr 2015 #23
i'm going to go out on a limb... sendero Apr 2015 #28
Or he could become the hero of radical jihadists in prison and spend his days wishing he killed more aikoaiko Apr 2015 #16
Make him watch in his cell Brady Bunch reruns 24/7 Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #6
Barney and Friends, Teletubbies, and Loveboat. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #17
I don't have fantasies regarding his punishment. romanic Apr 2015 #7
Being against torturing prisoners does not mean "feeling sorry" for someone. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #8
This kind of reaction is so tiresome. sammythecat Apr 2015 #21
What fantasies would those be? brooklynite Apr 2015 #9
Well, it's very possible he'll be sentenced to die. cwydro Apr 2015 #15
Jesus fuck? Is that a new rock band? Rex Apr 2015 #14
I know. I never alert, and I'm not religious. cwydro Apr 2015 #18
My personal favorite is 'God fuck it!' (Trademarked). randome Apr 2015 #31
K&R demmiblue Apr 2015 #19
"Do you know why people like violence? ... Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #20
Yep - he nailed it... jonno99 Apr 2015 #29
imo, one of the best lines in the whole movie (and that is saying something) Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #30
Can you link to these "fantasies"? cwydro Apr 2015 #22
You've already replied to one three or four times. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #25
As a society we gain nothing from blood lust. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #24
We are a punisher culture. Even progressives like to get their righteous rage on. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #27
I don't know what you mean. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #32
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