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In reply to the discussion: Robert Kennedy Jr. warns of vaccine-linked ‘holocaust’ [View all]proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)35. "Thimerosal: Let The Science Speak" shows Orac is wrong, as does CDC scientist Dr. Bill Thompson.
Crankery? During his recent Commonwealth of California event (link below), he said he's eager to debate anyone (including his detractors) on the material presented in the book. Incidentally, the coauthors (Hyman, Herbert, Kennedy) held off publishing for one year after giving their book to the CDC, FDA and HHS.
http://fox13now.com/2015/04/06/robert-f-kennedy-jr-talks-about-link-between-ingredient-in-vaccines-and-autism/

If somebody can show me a single study, one study, if any of the doctors youve mentioned can show me a single study that shows that thimerosal is safe, I will go on Anderson Cooper and publicly apologize. I challenge you. Find me one study.
~Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

More:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017257265
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026435011#post57
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017206443
FYI, AOA has Dr. Paul Offit's letter (public record, no direct link) RE: Oregon Bill SB0442 to eliminate philosophical belief exemptions from vaccinations here: http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/04/offit-jumps-shark-orders-starbucks-plays-armchair-psychologist-in-support-of-oregon-bill.html
http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/04/kennedy-at-the-commonwealth-club-and-the-fight-for-california.html
...Kennedy talked about four scathing reports by federal agencies over the past couple years that paint the CDC and their relationship with vaccines as a "cesspool of corruption." There was a three year study by the House Oversight Committee in 2000, a follow-up study which said the conflicts of interest were "debilitating the agency," a 2004 study by Senator Tom Coburn, a 2008 study by the Inspector General of Health and Human Services, and a 2014 study by the Office of Research Integrity in which the head of the office, David Wright, resigned because he said the dysfunction at the CDC and FDA were "intractable."
In discussing how this came to happen, he cited the removal of vaccines from the civil justice system by the creation of the Vaccine Court in 1986, and the vast amount of money spent by the pharmaceutical industry in the political process (twice that of oil companies), and among the news networks (sometimes 70% of their advertising revenues). The lawyers have been taken out of the process, the regulatory agencies, the politicians, and the press neutralized.
Some interesting information was revealed by Kennedy about CDC whistleblower, Dr. William Thompson. Thompson invoked federal whistleblower status this summer and hired leading whistleblower attorney, Morgan VerKamp, to represent him on his claim that his superiors had required him to lie for the past ten years about the connection between vaccines and autism. He has turned over tens of thousands of pages of documents to Congress and has "asked" to be subpoenaed by Congress. The matter is currently before Congressman Jason Chaffetz's Oversight committee. Kennedy related how the chief of staff of Chaffetz's office had said that these documents, when they are released, "are not just a smoking gun, but a wildfire that will burn CDC to its foundations."
Kennedy talked of how he had been present when his family started what became known as "Special Olympics" and they never saw a child with autism. He talked about how the severe problems of these children cause their parents to essentially "disappear" from society and political discourse because they are just trying to get through the day managing their lives and their children. To say that this problem was missed in previous generations was 'like missing a train wreck." He recalled how he had been in Utah the previous night, which has both the highest vaccination rate and the highest autism rate, 1 out of every 39 kids...
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"Thimerosal: Let The Science Speak" shows Orac is wrong, as does CDC scientist Dr. Bill Thompson.
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#35
Your assertion that 'Andrew Wakefield is the Carl Sagan of his generation' ...
SidDithers
Apr 2015
#39
Heard of Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis? That's Kennedy's analogy to the reception to Wakefield's work.
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#53
Thanks for being cordial; the focus on RFK Jr's opinions are a diversion from the facts he presents.
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#143
OBJECTIVE FACTS (post #35) he exposes are not erased by his blunt inflammatory OPINIONS (OP title).
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#147
Agreed. Anyone who brings up Wakefield or Thompson in regards to thimersol has already
Smithryee
Apr 2015
#54
CDC vaccine safety scientist Dr. William W. Thompson researched MMR and thimerosal BOTH.
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#97
Did they ask this whistleblower to cover up studies showing harm or just stop sharing his opinion?
yurbud
Apr 2015
#60
Why ask me? What have you learned? Read around and please share. Developing...
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#85
this isn't a primary issue for me, so I hoped that someone paying more attention
yurbud
Apr 2015
#157
Few read the actual science; most, therefore, lack understanding of the limitations and flaws ~RFKjr
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#87
Ten years of new peer-reviewed research trump the retractions by Salon & Rolling Stone in 2005.
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#125
Snopes trumps allegations by a whistleblower/law firm prior to a formal Congressional investigation?
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#136
Just watch "Dr Strangelove," the character Jack Ripper was an example of this mentality.
Archae
Apr 2015
#155
Eventually he'll become so unhinged he'll be toxic, the fate of most demagogues.
randome
Apr 2015
#11
Dude needs to buy a clue. He's done a lot of good environmental stuff, but . . .
hatrack
Apr 2015
#12
Because in actual clinical studies, children who are vaccinated are not anymore likely to get autism
Kurska
Apr 2015
#44
There's another one running around desperately trying to save the drug war and pot prohibition.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#140
It would seem that his issue is not with vaccines but with the preservative 'thimerosal'. Go RFKJr!
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#28
Thimerosal hasn't been in childhood vaccinations for years with the exception of the flu vaccine
cali
Apr 2015
#29
Merthiolate - Isn't that the stuff our parents put on us kids when we cut ourselves
LiberalArkie
Apr 2015
#126
“They can put anything they want in that vaccine and they have no accountability for it.”
valerief
Apr 2015
#41
yes he has. He's almost certainly convinced some folks not to vaccinate their children
cali
Apr 2015
#69
Thank you, snappyturtle! I'm a person who likes to learn more than one side of things.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#110
Thank you Octafish...my sentiments exactly. I used to come to DU to learn
snappyturtle
Apr 2015
#120
I personally like him and loved his father. But, of course, he is wrong on this issue
mmonk
Apr 2015
#66
I really wish Robert Kennedy Jr. would just STFU about his anti-science campaign against vaccines.
still_one
Apr 2015
#80
Was Kennedy ever vaccinated or are germs just unable to survive in toxic levels of stupid?
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2015
#82
Im not convinced there isn't some serious overlap btw the two groups.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#142
He's a f#cking politician! Would you go to one for heart surgery? Knee or hip replacement?
mnhtnbb
Apr 2015
#101
It's good that they're scheduling it for the spring, cuz in the fall it might compete with PETA's
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#141
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. apologizes for 'holocaust' remark in speech against California vaccine law
proverbialwisdom
Apr 2015
#169