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Nuclear Unicorn

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177. "Ignoring laws that harm others (in the legal sense) only invites chaos."

Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:33 AM

Apr 2015

I don't buy that explanation. I think it's a sales pitch by the authoritarians (the real ones, not you) to keep us in our pens. If we are to live in a free society it is because we have concluded: People ought to be free. If they ought NOT be free then we say they are not to be trusted with freedom for the harm they may do to themselves and others so they should be managed by their betters (whoever may qualify for THAT).

But we have decided in favor of freedom. We have said people are capable of generally conducting themselves without inflicting harm. We trust them to be good only the law is only to remediate after harm has been done.

What we are witnessing these days is the idea that the people are not to be trusted, not even with cardboard boxes in their own front yards. It's obscene. That, were things to go differently, it could result in the use of force is beyond immoral.

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How far would you go to tear down a cardboard fort? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 OP

B. We're the gov't. We always have ways to screw over people. Unless the guy gets ACLU on his side.. Panich52 Apr 2015 #1

Nothing. I am 100% pro-cardboard fort. And I don't even have kids. Coventina Apr 2015 #2

I agree. HappyMe Apr 2015 #6

Me too, I am 100% in favor of cardboard forts. 'First World Problem'! Indeed. Authoritarians MAKE sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #93

+ a whole bunch. hifiguy Apr 2015 #96

"... the homeowner refuses, stating the ordinance is stupid." If this is an allowable defense cleanhippie Apr 2015 #3

So pretend he built the fort for himself. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #8

Do I live next door? cleanhippie Apr 2015 #10

If I was next door... sprinklers + cardboard Bonx Apr 2015 #25

+1 cleanhippie Apr 2015 #27

If I lived next door, I would not give a shit if my neighbor built a cardboard fort. cheapdate Apr 2015 #32

Do you feel better about yourself now? cleanhippie Apr 2015 #37

No. I'm not "projecting". cheapdate Apr 2015 #41

If I lived next door, I would join in the fun. And how does a cardboard fort on someone's own sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #94

"Then I'd exert all the force necessary." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #56

I think it's more projection on your part than suspicion. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #127

firefighters stay outside his house and hose him every time he walks outside snooper2 Apr 2015 #128

The OP didn't tarnish it - that is the actual situation. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #34

The OP created their own scenario based on an actual event. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #38

It is not the actual situation jberryhill Apr 2015 #44

So he's taken the hypothetical to the next step. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #67

No. Reasonableness and judgment should be used. It's not black and white. nt valerief Apr 2015 #152

E) Not give a crap. n/t tazkcmo Apr 2015 #4

How far would you go to collect someone's unpaid property taxes? PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #5

How far would you go to collect someone's unpaid retail cigarette taxes? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #9

just short of a chokehold - Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #15

How far would you go to collect unpaid grazing fees? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #29

If the guy pipi_k Apr 2015 #7

Stop it. Stop it right now. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #20

Common sense might also say, "Worry about your own yard." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #59

Yes, it might. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #129

Oh, but I think this would be a perfect opportunity to flex the Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #135

So your advocating for ignoring municipal law cleanhippie Apr 2015 #150

That's not really a rebuttal; it's just a complaint. So I guess my point stands. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #154

If you say so. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #172

Why should people just obey something when it forbids some other thing that is harmless? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #173

There are, quite literally, thousands of laws that can be described that way. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #174

"an ill conceived and intellectually lazy proposition" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #175

I feel like we will never find common ground on this issue. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #176

"Ignoring laws that harm others (in the legal sense) only invites chaos." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #177

Most communities don't allow stockade fencing in front yards...it's an obstacle in fire fighting HereSince1628 Apr 2015 #40

C!!! Get him!!!$:$!^÷¥ F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #11

DU needs to have that smiley!!! Where did you get it? Coventina Apr 2015 #12

I'm about to post in AtA to get one, actually! F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #14

Godspeed!! I would LOVE to see that one added!! Coventina Apr 2015 #16

Wait, red or yellow? we have options... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #17

I like the red, actually. It makes them look angrier! Coventina Apr 2015 #19

My thoughts as well... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #24

I vote red. HappyMe Apr 2015 #21

lol. it is cute Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #76

trumped up faux outrage du jour Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #13

I'd offer to replace it with a fully operable M1 Abrams Tank. hunter Apr 2015 #18

That is full of win! Coventina Apr 2015 #22

"...the neighbors wouldn't dare complain." Why not? cleanhippie Apr 2015 #23

Um, there's an aspect of humor called "exaggeration for comic effect" Coventina Apr 2015 #49

Apparently, that same aspect of humor escapes you. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #52

Oh, I get it! You're only PRETENDING that a neighbor's cardboard fort would upset you! Coventina Apr 2015 #55

No, you don't get it at all. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #126

isn't that right somewhere in the Constitution. samsingh Apr 2015 #26

I believe it was the original wording of the Second Amendment... KansDem Apr 2015 #30

i agree with you totally samsingh Apr 2015 #31

"don't pass a law that ain't worth killing granny for" lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #28

My "granny" was removed alive from the home she owned as a danger to herself and others... hunter Apr 2015 #111

Ouch. Matriarchy means knifepoint rule? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #113

A. NT Trillo Apr 2015 #33

I send my kids over to play in the fort. n/t Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #35

Heck yeah Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #171

The City should drop the matter cheapdate Apr 2015 #36

One man's treasure... TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #39

Have you seen the photos? Mariana Apr 2015 #57

Exactly what I would do. I'd have a "Coventina's Castle Countdown" to the 15 days, make sure all Coventina Apr 2015 #60

Stomp, Godzilla, Stomp! That is a really creative idea. Hekate Apr 2015 #91

Sometimes... TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #68

Maybe you should have read the story Mariana Apr 2015 #69

I'm well aware of the story. TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #73

A. ZombieHorde Apr 2015 #42

He got a 15 day notice jberryhill Apr 2015 #43

He probably wasn't planning on it, but maybe now he is! Coventina Apr 2015 #46

That's exactly what he said in an interview. Mariana Apr 2015 #71

I guess that depends on how much it rains. winter is coming Apr 2015 #61

A couple hours max, with most kids jberryhill Apr 2015 #62

Two points... stevenleser Apr 2015 #45

he should put some wise men in front and be done with it lame54 Apr 2015 #74

I'd send in a SWAT team. bluedigger Apr 2015 #47

You can't be too careful! It might be an al-Qaeda training ground for tots!! Coventina Apr 2015 #48

Somebody has to stand up for the HappyMe Apr 2015 #50

"You allow open contempt for the law like this, next thing you know, anarchy!" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #53

Sounds good to me jmowreader Apr 2015 #66

A helpful SWAT team? bluedigger Apr 2015 #72

The People Close to Me RobinA Apr 2015 #51

How about a cardboard cave? randome Apr 2015 #64

Death by firing squad. randome Apr 2015 #54

He won't be jailed long for a cardboard fort. The kids will learn how to resist dumb laws. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #86

He won't be jailed at all. Mariana Apr 2015 #114

"unsightly displays" in this case are in the eye frogmarch Apr 2015 #58

They got the notice after it had been up for ONE day. nt. Mariana Apr 2015 #75

As a neighbor wouldn't care, but if I was the city and had to enforce the ordinance I ohnoyoudidnt Apr 2015 #63

"I would just ask the garbage service to pick it up and toss it in the truck" Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #65

Rent a Godzilla costume... Whiskeytide Apr 2015 #70

GMTA: See my post #60 Coventina Apr 2015 #79

Ha ha. I didn't catch that... Whiskeytide Apr 2015 #81

I don't know the details haikugal Apr 2015 #77

One possible reason... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #80

If all of that we're true... haikugal Apr 2015 #83

I have no idea. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #84

If you read the article they have a hill/slope in back yard... snooper2 Apr 2015 #130

I think there was something about thorn bushes in the back that he was taking out... Hekate Apr 2015 #90

All good information Hekate... haikugal Apr 2015 #97

In the original article no neighbors complained. tammywammy Apr 2015 #100

OMG....well there it is, thanks. haikugal Apr 2015 #101

Does he have any religious recourse? Politicalboi Apr 2015 #78

He's going to take it down when the time runs out. Mariana Apr 2015 #87

Were I one of his neighbors, I'd offer the use of my yard... S_B_Jackson Apr 2015 #82

Cardboard? wouldn't this solve itself after a good rain storm? NightWatcher Apr 2015 #85

I only use the stuff treated to be waterproof. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #88

Cardboard, how quaint NightWatcher Apr 2015 #92

Very cool.. haikugal Apr 2015 #98

That's awesome I used your pic in my reply. Kalidurga Apr 2015 #107

It would have solved itself anyway. Mariana Apr 2015 #115

Wave at the happy kids as I walk by with the dog. Notice the forecast is rain. Figure it will all be Hekate Apr 2015 #89

I would make a paper mache bomb and drop it on the fort. JanMichael Apr 2015 #95

Cardboard is very flammable. Children should not be playing in that. R B Garr Apr 2015 #99

I take it you never experienced the joy of playing in cardboard boxes as a child. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #104

Yes, I know the difference between a recycling center R B Garr Apr 2015 #108

If you know the difference, Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #112

Hair on fire?? LMAO R B Garr Apr 2015 #118

Suggesting kids playing in cardboard boxes Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #132

LMAO. OMG, your inanity is really too much. R B Garr Apr 2015 #133

Your headline: Children should not be playing in that. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #136

No one has had the reaction and ridiculous personalized comments R B Garr Apr 2015 #137

For the second time, please point specifically to where I said you"hate children playing" Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #140

I've already explained it. YOU are the one connecting R B Garr Apr 2015 #141

Still can't find where I said you hated kids, eh? Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #143

I'm still crying about the sad childhood you said I had! R B Garr Apr 2015 #144

Must have hit a nerve. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #146

NO, It was obviously me that hit a nerve, because here YOU are R B Garr Apr 2015 #147

Feel free to link to any post where I put any two of your comments together Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #155

Kind of SILLY to omit a second paragraph I typed so you can continue R B Garr Apr 2015 #158

OH, and what I said in the 2nd paragraph matched what the father said-- R B Garr Apr 2015 #160

Do you avoid libraries? Renew Deal Apr 2015 #166

LMAO. R B Garr Apr 2015 #167

So...how sad was my childhood. R B Garr Apr 2015 #148

Kind of silly for someone who has been accusing me of overreacting Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #156

Kind of SILLY for you to make any comments at all about my childhood. R B Garr Apr 2015 #157

Kind of SILLY that you've obsessed about me for 24 hours now. R B Garr Apr 2015 #161

Obsessed? Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #163

LMAO. Look how obsessed you are about making this personal. R B Garr Apr 2015 #164

You seriously need to examine your own behavior. Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #165

You need to quit obsessing about me and making this personal. R B Garr Apr 2015 #168

Without really looking very hard, I've found three other threads, Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #169

This is all you've done is try and make this personal about me. R B Garr Apr 2015 #170

I hear wood is also flammable -- Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #105

Lame R B Garr Apr 2015 #109

As is hay. Puglover Apr 2015 #145

.............Outside? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #122

only if you douse it with some gas...actually pain in the ass to get cardboard going snooper2 Apr 2015 #131

I don't think many people try to start fires. They just occur and more R B Garr Apr 2015 #138

Only one way to be sure jberryhill Apr 2015 #102

I'd bring out my cardboard catapaults thucythucy Apr 2015 #103

That was my thought, too, lol! pinboy3niner Apr 2015 #116

D) Other Kalidurga Apr 2015 #106

Other: He should be arrested and sent to jail. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2015 #110

And if he refuses to comply? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #123

A neighbor has some responsibility in the look of the neighborhood. Bonobo Apr 2015 #117

That's what I said --(the part about the day or so). R B Garr Apr 2015 #119

I sympathize. Bonobo Apr 2015 #120

Thanks for your comments. I agree about things getting twisted R B Garr Apr 2015 #134

I Grew Up RobinA Apr 2015 #142

"the look of the neighborhood" is completely subjective. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #124

That's probably why the city inspector noticed it, then. R B Garr Apr 2015 #139

It had been there for one day Mariana Apr 2015 #125

Put him in a cardboard jail. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #121

Is this going to be another yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #149

A. It should never have gotten as far as it had. nt valerief Apr 2015 #151

Sure are a lot of picklefaced people on DU who want it bulldozed Warpy Apr 2015 #153

"Ogden Mayor Mike Caldwell said despite the reports, the family has not been cited or fined. struggle4progress Apr 2015 #159

"Mayor Mike Caldwell also weighed in. 'I remember building forts with my friends as a kid. struggle4progress Apr 2015 #162

non-violent/property crimes and summary offenses... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2015 #178