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Comrade Grumpy

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88. No. I'm suggesting this is a counter-productive way to try to address racism.

Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:48 PM

Apr 2015

What I mean by "now what?" is great, we acknowledge white privilege, so what do we do about it?

It seems like the end game in these discussions is acknowledging white privilege.

I can get behind "Black Lives Matter;" I can get behind black people winning council seats in Ferguson; I can get behind "the New Jim Crow;" but white privilege? Meh.

Might be a useful concept for sheltered, over-privileged white kids going off to private colleges. For the rest of us, not so much. And I really don't need to be lectured by some kid who just discovered racism.

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Hi there everyone, I'm white... [View all] kpete Apr 2015 OP

More often than not .. ananda Apr 2015 #1

If you don't know what a peacock looks like, you'll never see one... Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #48

another day another white privilege post Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #2

Yes - well I'm sure you acknowledge and accept white privilege el_bryanto Apr 2015 #3

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #12

let's say everyone now agrees white people have privilege then what. what do you do with that Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #24

Yes that would be broad brushing el_bryanto Apr 2015 #25

here is duer making that statement Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #161

Ah - well that proves your point I guess. nt el_bryanto Apr 2015 #165

no it doesnt since that is not my point. my point is that, in mho, w.p. (white privilege) is a Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #173

I think the refusal to grapple with the problem of White Privilege el_bryanto Apr 2015 #176

and i think fix the underlying problem that allows w.p. and it will end Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #189

Ever heard of whites being questioned for being in a black neighborhood? 7962 Apr 2015 #170

Actually, yes. I was stopped for driving while White in a Black neighborhood. ieoeja Apr 2015 #180

No, but I've gotten quite a few dirty looks, and some rude remarks, whathehell Apr 2015 #186

In what kind of neighborhood? Oh, black. That's more proof of white privilege. jobycom Apr 2015 #201

No, it is assumed that YOU are up to no good. 7962 Apr 2015 #208

As I started out saying, we need a lot more threads on white privilege. nt jobycom Apr 2015 #215

And also there were some radical statements made by feminists over the years so feminism is worthy.. bettyellen Apr 2015 #190

Reverse feminism! Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #219

That DUer asked a question you didn't answer. Do you have an answer? jobycom Apr 2015 #203

Well, you know how that old time-tested saying goes... calimary Apr 2015 #42

So being white is like having a drug or alcohol problem? NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #119

I don't know what you're smoking, but ... Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #123

I've smoked several Marlboro lights today. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #125

Not what the poster said, not even close. But.........YES, some white people NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #129

Lots of men of all colors are "assholes" about their privilege whathehell Apr 2015 #140

Exactly. And that's what the OP is all about. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #177

Keep on drumming it in wendylaroux Apr 2015 #79

In what situations do you think white people aren't benefiting from white privilege. jobycom Apr 2015 #146

That's tantamount to saying that white privilege is a cosmological constant shaayecanaan Apr 2015 #163

Did you read through the post gollygee Apr 2015 #166

Likewise shaayecanaan Apr 2015 #216

See my post 170 7962 Apr 2015 #172

See my response in Post 201. This is why we need constant discussion of White Privilege. jobycom Apr 2015 #202

Why are you so snarky? babylonsister Apr 2015 #5

Nicely understated, sister. +1!!! Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #13

Try being a white Christian. We 840high Apr 2015 #8

Sounds like a total heartache. I cannot imagine ... oh wait. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #14

Sounds rough. snort Apr 2015 #17

...not a capella...with this accompaniment instead cyberswede Apr 2015 #36

Perhaps you should keep a diary Cirque du So-What Apr 2015 #19

Are you there God? It's me 840high. Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #31

omg lol!!!! wendylaroux Apr 2015 #87

Well - aren't you sooooo funny. 840high Apr 2015 #151

... 2naSalit Apr 2015 #22

Right. LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #35

well i am a white guy who believes im just not radical about it. any trespasses are between Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #38

I'm white and Christian wryter2000 Apr 2015 #43

Just identify more as a white human being. Religion is a completely manmade construct. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #51

Wow, that's a lot of drinking. No wonder you are high! jobycom Apr 2015 #54

LOL. That was awesome. Thank You! missingthebigdog Apr 2015 #65

Thanks! jobycom Apr 2015 #72

. fishwax Apr 2015 #139

Do you really think 840high Apr 2015 #150

Yeah. jobycom Apr 2015 #152

... Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #86

Normally, I don't like swarming and pile ons. But in this case, few deserve it more Number23 Apr 2015 #135

Shit, try being a white Catholic male! hunter Apr 2015 #99

Do good to them which slam you. Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #106

White straight christian males are KINGS in America NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #130

You are in the majority in this country. Chemisse Apr 2015 #131

woohoo! Got another one on the hook! Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #11

And always with at least concomitant petulant and irrelevant response. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #37

what no latin this time? Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #39

and has no bearing on the issue at hand. you mean like your post Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #45

Yep. Another day of horrific inequality and another attempt at raising awareness of its mechanisms. jobycom Apr 2015 #47

i think the discussion of white privilege is a distraction. Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #50

Distracting whom from what? I don't feel at all distracted. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #53

From what? You should add more words so we can know what you're saying. jobycom Apr 2015 #62

it's mho that w.p. is a part of a larger issue such as racism or institutionalized racism and that Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #102

TBH, IMHO, WP... bravenak Apr 2015 #110

I'm saying WTF and LOL over here! bettyellen Apr 2015 #192

You should ask for it, it's part of your history. Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #111

w.p. stands for white privilege. i didnt feel like spelling privilege over and over Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #128

Well, I do disagree with you. Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #132

this is why problems dont get solved Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #134

I don't have a problem. Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #211

Go Wesley go! bettyellen Apr 2015 #191

Always nice to see you, too! Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #197

Ha ha- you got that right! bettyellen Apr 2015 #199

It helps to acknowledge that there is such a thing as 'white privilege'. Chemisse Apr 2015 #137

+1 merrily Apr 2015 #178

But don't you think white privilege is one of the tools of institutional racism? jobycom Apr 2015 #145

From what? Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #91

From blaming Obama for Benghazi? Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #98

Of course you do. Rex Apr 2015 #112

In Memoriam AJ90 sub-thread. A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2015 #55

we're not allowed differing opinons? Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #58

But it is nice A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2015 #63

And it is interesting jobycom Apr 2015 #74

He's got a lot to live down to A-Schwarzenegger Apr 2015 #77

+1 bravenak Apr 2015 #82

because i remember when he got booted - just b/c the post count is 500 doesnt mean i just found Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #133

hardly Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #97

You must be a good guesser then! Who knew that AJ90 would mean Average Joe 90? Rex Apr 2015 #116

! bravenak Apr 2015 #118

i remember when aj90 got the boot Romeo.lima333 Apr 2015 #122

TBH, I find it funny that said poster knew who you were talking about. Rex Apr 2015 #114

... NuclearDem Apr 2015 #90

It's another day and you provide yet another example. n/t JTFrog Apr 2015 #67

Correct gordianot Apr 2015 #4

Kick! riqster Apr 2015 #6

White privilege is like Rich privilege, only not nearly as privileged. valerief Apr 2015 #7

White and rich... glory be, it's almost a god. n/t Sheepshank Apr 2015 #10

Great cartoon Gothmog Apr 2015 #9

I'm white.... CANDO Apr 2015 #15

Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Apr 2015 #16

I agree in part and disagree in part davidsilver Apr 2015 #18

Oh my you are a live one. fasttense Apr 2015 #20

I saw an interesting study... bullsnarfle Apr 2015 #23

Thank you for this. I'm not familiar with the criminal justice system davidsilver Apr 2015 #27

Read up on Ferguson, for a teensy peek at the "mechanics" in one town Hekate Apr 2015 #59

Thank you, davidsilver. bullsnarfle Apr 2015 #78

Assuming you are serious, Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #26

Thank you for this information. davidsilver Apr 2015 #28

I see I left out two links I intended to include: Ms. Toad Apr 2015 #30

YES! Police arrest POCs more than Whites. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #29

Good! knightmaar Apr 2015 #34

Come back when you find your soul... Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #57

Take drug use. White people use drugs more, black people are sent to prison more. jobycom Apr 2015 #71

Interesting bit of data there. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #153

Welcome to DU, davidsilver! calimary Apr 2015 #105

Wow dude, there are tons of studies on this. Educate yourself before entertaining racist notions... bettyellen Apr 2015 #194

Okay... davidsilver Apr 2015 #195

I think a lot of POC get a very bad shake- and if white people got the same treatment- bettyellen Apr 2015 #200

Yes Indeed davidsilver Apr 2015 #224

I'm so white that all but my eyes & hair disappeared in a B/W flash photo against a white backdrop Hekate Apr 2015 #21

Acknowledged and agreed notadmblnd Apr 2015 #32

K/R Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #33

this is the theme NJCher Apr 2015 #40

Good job! jobycom Apr 2015 #80

Like I need some 20-something cartoonist to tell me to "fucking educate myself." Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #41

And they need to vacate your lawn presently. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #52

I don't call myself grumpy for nothing. n/t Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #56

figures heaven05 Apr 2015 #68

What's that saying again? Racism will end when all the old white people die? JTFrog Apr 2015 #69

"Racism will end when all the old white people die?" What a cheerful thought. madfloridian Apr 2015 #75

I hear ya. JTFrog Apr 2015 #83

The kind of change that can't wait for old folks to die? How about that? madfloridian Apr 2015 #93

I'm as anti-racist as anybody. But this meme is counterproductive. Accomplishes nothing. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #76

You're making a tone argument instead of a substantive argument. alp227 Apr 2015 #84

No. I'm suggesting this is a counter-productive way to try to address racism. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #88

Again, that's a tone argument, attacking the tone of the speaker instead of the message. alp227 Apr 2015 #89

Tone is critical in effective messaging. Throd Apr 2015 #92

Only to those trying to squash the message. n/t JTFrog Apr 2015 #94

You're saying tone doesn't matter when trying to make an argument? Throd Apr 2015 #101

I'm saying that the only people I ever see using the "tone argument" JTFrog Apr 2015 #141

Excellent post, and to the point. kwassa Apr 2015 #148

Exactly, poor tone becomes a tool of distraction and should be avoided. Throd Apr 2015 #193

Whoosh. n/t JTFrog Apr 2015 #204

Right back atcha. Throd Apr 2015 #209

Do you have any actual thoughts or opinions about white privilege or do you JTFrog Apr 2015 #212

I fully recognize the existence of white privilege. Throd Apr 2015 #220

Thank you for at least addressing the issue. JTFrog Apr 2015 #221

I disagree ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #187

For real. romanic Apr 2015 #210

The only problem with that, as the OK frat chant and others have proven over and over again, is that Number23 Apr 2015 #136

Very true. n/t JTFrog Apr 2015 #142

And she's right, that's why there's no racism hughee99 Apr 2015 #174

I'm the grumpiest person most people know, comrade... hunter Apr 2015 #115

Cool story bro. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #44

Apparently, we do. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #81

^^this^^ irisblue Apr 2015 #85

I think it's fine to be reminded every day. Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #109

Do you think white people are supposed to feel guilty... NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #120

What a wonky reply. Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #121

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "wonky"... NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #124

"Askew." Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #127

Not wonky at all. It's an honest question, whathehell Apr 2015 #143

Gack I posted to you by mistake sorry.. Puglover Apr 2015 #171

No problem. n/t whathehell Apr 2015 #182

It's not about guilt. Puglover Apr 2015 #179

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author trollmagnet Apr 2015 #49

This cannot be said often enough. Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #60

Kick JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #61

"really black, not like Obama black"? Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #64

He is medium brown. bravenak Apr 2015 #96

So we should be saying "the first medium brown President"? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #100

I just call him black for short. bravenak Apr 2015 #103

My subjects understand what that means. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #108

"Not like Obama black"? HUH? 7962 Apr 2015 #175

I don't want them to imagine they'll be light skinned JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #184

I just think its silly to further segregate black people by the "level of darkness". 7962 Apr 2015 #188

Maybe you believe so, but racists don't think it's silly. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #198

excellent heaven05 Apr 2015 #66

Yes, but there are also drawbacks to being white. tclambert Apr 2015 #70

You are too funny! akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #157

Didn't realize Ms. Mary Ann Twitty posted here. Bonx Apr 2015 #73

Hi everyone ...I'm actually beige. L0oniX Apr 2015 #95

and kpete Apr 2015 #183

Oh so "farmers tan" is a racist remark now? L0oniX Apr 2015 #196

sort of striped kpete Apr 2015 #205

What is a ann--- Apr 2015 #104

people of color, or person of color nt steve2470 Apr 2015 #107

Thanks ann--- Apr 2015 #117

Recc'd. Also, this: Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #113

What if someone is a white feminist woman? IronLionZion Apr 2015 #126

Interesting that they used a female rather than a male.. whathehell Apr 2015 #138

I'm pretty sure the cartoonist is female. graegoyle Apr 2015 #147

Still, all the inequality stats were about men.. whathehell Apr 2015 #149

Try googling how much white women earn vs. women of color. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #158

Try googling how much men of all colors earn vs. women of all colors. n/t. whathehell Apr 2015 #167

I wasn't the one in denial, whatthehell. You were. nt Bonobo Apr 2015 #169

Didn't deny a thing, so I'm guessing you're just not up to the challenge. n/t whathehell Apr 2015 #181

Does white privilege exist? lovemydog Apr 2015 #144

hi, I'm white AnAzulTexas Apr 2015 #154

:eyes: jeff47 Apr 2015 #155

Reverse racism? gollygee Apr 2015 #164

'Reverse Racism' Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #214

Funny meathead Apr 2015 #217

You should read the comic again. n/t gollygee Apr 2015 #218

You would wonder, or you could do some homework. kwassa Apr 2015 #222

Hi, I'm white, too. Call Me Wesley Apr 2015 #213

That is nice to know! akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #156

Dense lykemike Apr 2015 #159

My favorite thread this week! Love the smackdowns of the lame attempts at pushback. Scuba Apr 2015 #160

Lots of bait on the board this morning. 99Forever Apr 2015 #162

I feel like romanic Apr 2015 #168

I thoroughly renounce my white priviledge dumbcat Apr 2015 #185

Look in the mirror. You are still white. kwassa Apr 2015 #223

What do u want him/her to do? romanic Apr 2015 #225

Plain and simple truth whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #206

I don't know where they got their figure, but the prisoner numbers are 32% white, 68% non-white muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #207

Hi There, I'm Brett, And I'm A White Man Brett Fitz Apr 2015 #226