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1. Thank for holding on to your humanity despite the cultural climate we now live in. Years

Thu Apr 9, 2015, 03:59 PM

Apr 2015

of propaganda from the Right regarding their opinion of what 'justice' means, has seeped into the Dem side of the aisle.

Those comments are disgusting and would have been deleted on the old DU when Dems claimed to be the party of morals.

Our system CLAIMS to be based on JUSTICE not REVENGE, but Fox, Limbaugh et al have had huge success in eliminating rational thinking in this society.

Someone said that we should be careful when go after monsters, lest WE become the monster.

Looks like this country hasn't grasped that concept.

And yes, we are the monsters we claim to be slaying. There isn't much doubt about that.

I once had hope that OUR side would bring this country back from the abyss Bush/Cheney dragged us into.

I do not hope for that anymore.

But THANK YOU for still clinging to the idea of a more evolved society.

Some day, maybe, but not in the near future I'm afraid.

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Yesterday I watched DUers justify and advocate for the torture of a living being. [View all] F4lconF16 Apr 2015 OP

Thank for holding on to your humanity despite the cultural climate we now live in. Years sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #1

+1 Agschmid Apr 2015 #43

Damn, you said all I wanted to say in the first reply. zeemike Apr 2015 #46

Once again you said it better than I can. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #53

Nothing to add Bettie Apr 2015 #78

It helps to realize there is a vast difference between LanternWaste Apr 2015 #2

As I said in the other thread... F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #3

It also helps to realize that what we once thought, back during the Bush era, about sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #7

Thank you, Sabrina . . . markpkessinger Apr 2015 #68

One more thing. The Boston Bombing SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED. It COULD have been stopped. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #4

I don't want to see him tortured or killed. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #5

I plan on addressing that in a future post. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #11

I don't think he should ever get out. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #15

At the moment? F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #21

Well that may or may not be true. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #23

Yes, I couldn't agree more with that. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #24

It is hard to sit in judgment IRL. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #25

i would happily sit on the jury and ensure justice was done and a message samsingh Apr 2015 #50

That is not justice. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #54

not surprising since i'm not a murderer samsingh Apr 2015 #59

No, it's called deterrence. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #117

The problem with that thought process is Bettie Apr 2015 #82

People don't change... TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #89

But many do. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #120

I suppose anything is possible... TeeYiYi Apr 2015 #136

Wow, cant wait to read that post. No way to justify letting him out. nt Logical Apr 2015 #20

that's how I feel also nt steve2470 Apr 2015 #57

K&R RandiFan1290 Apr 2015 #6

My all-time favorite song. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #19

Thank you, so moving still crying. nt Mnemosyne Apr 2015 #60

Beautiful Chemisse Apr 2015 #113

Revenge is not partisan nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #8

It is a primitive emotional response. Chemisse Apr 2015 #119

I gave that ghost a long time ago nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #122

I have a similar reaction to those DUers who advocate and condone Maedhros Apr 2015 #9

DU is a small pond, but with malicious intruders who come here merely to disrupt. closeupready Apr 2015 #10

thank you so much for the care and time you put into this. big k&r. cali Apr 2015 #12

+1 n/t markpkessinger Apr 2015 #69

Another +1 DeadLetterOffice Apr 2015 #108

Is solitary confinement the new DU litmus test? Throd Apr 2015 #13

And I just noticed now that 3 of 9 other currents posts are invisible to me; Ignore User saved closeupready Apr 2015 #14

I'd use it, but I'd miss all the posts that are those subthreads. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #18

Great Post RobinA Apr 2015 #16

Outstanding. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #17

Until the death ann--- Apr 2015 #22

Welcome to the real world! Have you not been on this planet for very long? Rex Apr 2015 #26

When I was a young man a young woman I knew was murdered by serial killer Gerald Stano DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #27

I am sorry for your loss. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #32

I was the person you cited here... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #85

You are right. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #101

No need to delete it...I just wanted to clarify...The internet is a blunt instrument... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #127

I wish I could rec this a thousand times. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #28

I'm with you there. marym625 Apr 2015 #31

I cannot possibly rec this enough marym625 Apr 2015 #29

Hear, hear! +10000000000 nt Mnemosyne Apr 2015 #42

nevermind. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #30

Ditto. cwydro Apr 2015 #112

Sadly, this is the *new* DU Blue_Tires Apr 2015 #33

My, what a creative imagination. bvar22 Apr 2015 #63

HaHa! MyNameGoesHere Apr 2015 #80

It can be easy to channel George W. Bush delrem Apr 2015 #128

I think most folks CAN tell... elias49 Apr 2015 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #34

Yeah, well, you should see what DU does to its own Demeter Apr 2015 #35

Thank you for writing this. nt PufPuf23 Apr 2015 #36

thank you Mod for unlocking this! G_j Apr 2015 #37

A big K&R to the mods--thank you! F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #38

and G_j Apr 2015 #40

Did you type half as many words about the pain Desert805 Apr 2015 #39

I didn't need to. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #45

it surprises my how much energy people spend supporting mass murderers, yet don't samsingh Apr 2015 #56

As opposed to using the victims as human shields NuclearDem Apr 2015 #102

Yes. cwydro Apr 2015 #115

LOL, enjoy your short stay. nt Logical Apr 2015 #109

Good thst it got unlocked nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #41

maybe the amount of time writing this defense of a mass murdering terrorist could be spent samsingh Apr 2015 #44

We disagree. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #47

donate the money to a victim's fund samsingh Apr 2015 #51

Next time I have $20 F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #58

you are making pretty light of victim tragedy from what i can see and with your response samsingh Apr 2015 #67

Have to admit, I don't have much sympathy but permanent solitary confinment is wrong sub.theory Apr 2015 #48

he's not a fellow human being. he's a violent murderer and terrorist. samsingh Apr 2015 #61

Despite your need to separate those in order to justify harming him, jeff47 Apr 2015 #74

Being a violent murderer and terrorist doesn't make him no longer human sub.theory Apr 2015 #76

are you a human being? Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #79

I don't think you can change facts MyNameGoesHere Apr 2015 #83

Irony nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #88

A...yup. Sure is. Particularly with THAT specific one. closeupready Apr 2015 #92

There are very few threads I will more than just read nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #94

If anyone ever wondered how prison rape and violence against inmates became acceptable NuclearDem Apr 2015 #99

The point is: are WE human? immoderate Apr 2015 #132

the desire for vengeance is as old as human history steve2470 Apr 2015 #49

Excellent point. We also are a nation which believes in the death penalty, which couldnt NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #52

The United States is not a very forgiving nation unlike most civilized nations. We are a very vengeful nation. LiberalArkie Apr 2015 #55

Revenge? More Like Justice sub.theory Apr 2015 #64

Please name a country that has the death penalty that you think is progressive. nt Logical Apr 2015 #110

In some cases I do support the death penalty sub.theory Apr 2015 #133

media sets a tone olddots Apr 2015 #62

Thank you, F4lconF16 . . . markpkessinger Apr 2015 #65

Most often I agree with you ~ TBF Apr 2015 #66

I understand where you are coming from. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #75

You are not obligated to walk and chew gum at the same time if you don't want. closeupready Apr 2015 #87

Thank you. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #123

What do you think his punishment should be? panader0 Apr 2015 #70

From what I've read, I don't think that F4IconF16 believes in punishment. WillowTree Apr 2015 #118

Well, I've asked twice and F16 won't reply panader0 Apr 2015 #126

A truly excellent post guillaumeb Apr 2015 #71

I'm not going to wade into this discussion much either, Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #72

Some of this stuff makes me sick democrank Apr 2015 #73

Excellent quality post Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #77

excellent post Skittles Apr 2015 #81

On a side note. zeemike Apr 2015 #84

it's like with Tumblr: you're never X enough for a bunch of people who are in no way X MisterP Apr 2015 #86

"Jail cannot be a method by which society punishes people." NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #90

Get over it. Not everyone agrees with you. phil89 Apr 2015 #91

Except that solitary confinement is almost exclusively singled out in the justice system NuclearDem Apr 2015 #106

You are in a minority here. By a long shot. nt Logical Apr 2015 #111

Luckily I think for myself, phil89 Apr 2015 #135

This post is among the finest, and quite possibly THE finest, post I have ever read on DU! markpkessinger Apr 2015 #93

Ayup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #97

Great to see you posting here again! n/t markpkessinger Apr 2015 #100

One more time--What do you think his punishment should be? panader0 Apr 2015 #95

74 recs and counting? beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #96

You have a long post. AngryAmish Apr 2015 #98

F16 won't answer my question, asked twice, "what do you think his punishment should be?" panader0 Apr 2015 #114

I asked in another thread. cwydro Apr 2015 #129

Yesterday I watched DUers justify and advocate for the torture of a living being. The CCC Apr 2015 #103

a wise American once sadly complained that the traditional "three R's" G_j Apr 2015 #104

Perhaps OT, perhaps it's related Trillo Apr 2015 #105

Very well said. Especially this: Chemisse Apr 2015 #107

Do you believe the Green River Killer could be rehabilitated? AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #116

Thank you for this F4 - elias49 Apr 2015 #121

One of the best posts at DU ever. bvar22 Apr 2015 #124

Yeah, I have a hard time relating to anyone who wishes death upon another for any reason. I didn't Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #125

I'm confused. zappaman Apr 2015 #130

Wonderful piece. indivisibleman Apr 2015 #134

What would you do with him? WilliamPitt Apr 2015 #137

Locking. William769 Apr 2015 #138