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nadinbrzezinski

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100. Actually it has been explained to the nth degree

Fri Apr 10, 2015, 12:48 AM

Apr 2015

in academic discussions, also these discussions tend to involve the judicial system, police violence in particular, as well as access to schools, universities, general services, health care, access to the courts... I could go on. The list is long.

The problem is that most of those very much in depth discussions don't happen at places like DU. And the concept is truly at heart, about race concepts, and how we have racialized portions of society. It is also a direct challenge to the pull yourself by your bootstraps, Horatio Alger myth and meritocracy which is at the heart of the American Mythos.

At it's heart it is also about slavery. Why those discussions get derailed often at places like DU. Funny though, we have had these in depth conversations on Facebook and face to face. If you have a university near by, find out if they have access to journals on sociology, political science, law, history and the rest. You will find plenty of very clear material on it.

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Why I don't think the phrase/argument white privilege is effective. [View all] cali Apr 2015 OP

I think you do need a multifaceted approach el_bryanto Apr 2015 #1

It's the word Cayenne Apr 2015 #2

Most who are privilaged regardless of race TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #3

agree Man from Pickens Apr 2015 #4

Link to anyone using "white privilege" in their campaigning? bettyellen Apr 2015 #74

Probably no one is that dumb, which kind of makes the OP's point. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #81

No, it shows how moot it is. Discussing white privilege is not the problem- bettyellen Apr 2015 #97

The typical framing and presentation of privilege is ineffective RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #5

It's a huge oversimplification B2G Apr 2015 #6

I'm shocked that DU'ERS that have problems .. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #9

LOL Like Coach on "New Girl" said to whatshisname, "you wont get it" NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #40

isn't catch phrase a catch phrase? lame54 Apr 2015 #32

don't be an idiot - of course it's not lame54 Apr 2015 #33

Have been white and poor my entire life. And yes, it is hard to see "privilege" from here but I did jwirr Apr 2015 #7

So, how would you put it, as to not offend someone? nt boston bean Apr 2015 #8

Call attention to the income inequality issue. ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #11

oh, so black persons should not discuss factors contributing boston bean Apr 2015 #12

I was giving the response I suspect. ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #14

My pattern? Go ahead just say it. cali Apr 2015 #18

Okay, you have a pattern of entering ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #58

Yep. Number23 Apr 2015 #98

oh, I thought it was the person I replied to...responding to me... boston bean Apr 2015 #25

I guess I was too quick. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #60

No, that's not what I'm suggesting. cali Apr 2015 #16

It's not about offending. It's about not alienating. cali Apr 2015 #13

Good let's start with the. .. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #17

There's plenty of that. I prefer to point out the structures of institutional racism cali Apr 2015 #19

Facts are generally not so vigorously disputed. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #31

So the facts are clear, but reason they are facts isn't fair game? boston bean Apr 2015 #34

Sorry, I don't understand what you are trying to say. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #37

The "facts" of man-influenced climate change 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #59

So you are worried about alienating white privileged assholes who wont admit they have NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #41

"the invisible knapsack" foo_bar Apr 2015 #27

Why not simply return to the New Left language TM99 Apr 2015 #71

I get what you are saying; but, ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #80

That we is those of us during the 60's, 70's and 80's TM99 Apr 2015 #84

Yes. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #88

Thank you. n/t Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #83

I really appreciate this post - best I've seen around here all year Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #105

SO then what do you suggest? What term should we use to describe white privilege? Rex Apr 2015 #10

Yeah, I think that's better, but I'd stress the simple facts through examples that point out cali Apr 2015 #15

I've never equated white privilege with income, it seems to be insulting to all POC imo. Rex Apr 2015 #23

Bingo, Rex! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #61

I am glad you and I see eye to eye on this issue. Rex Apr 2015 #87

You said earlier ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #89

I've noticed that, it is pretty disturbing. nt Rex Apr 2015 #92

White privilege, was developed and adopted after Professor nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #99

I think it is also used as a mechanism to avoid tangible action. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #20

More often it's used as a mechanism to beat people over the head and deflect discussion Major Nikon Apr 2015 #30

its a paradox olddots Apr 2015 #21

There is only 1 war in America, bvar22 Apr 2015 #22

and once that happens, racism/sexism/anti-semitism/homophobia disappears... boston bean Apr 2015 #28

Probably not, but Economic Fairness and Political Representation for EVERYONE .. bvar22 Apr 2015 #36

So it it will not, as you agree, why can't it be addressed? boston bean Apr 2015 #38

+1 Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #106

I have noticed that Americans in general don't like to acknowledge their privilege BainsBane Apr 2015 #24

You make a good point. What we call it means nothing as long as LittleBlue Apr 2015 #26

Funny how no one made these arguments boston bean Apr 2015 #29

Did you mean to reply to me? LittleBlue Apr 2015 #66

yes I did mean to reply to you. boston bean Apr 2015 #67

What exactly did you think my post meant? LittleBlue Apr 2015 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #78

How do Asians fit into the discussion? elias7 Apr 2015 #35

Good point. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #39

You are not supposed to mention that. nt kelly1mm Apr 2015 #52

+1. Totally screws up the narrative. (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #79

As long as you insist on seeing the issue in one dimensional terms BainsBane Apr 2015 #56

I actually see the issue as hopelessly multi dimensional elias7 Apr 2015 #102

How about a Federal Commission on Istitutional Racism? cali Apr 2015 #42

No way the GOP would ever go for it, if it needed bipartisan approval. However I think that is a Rex Apr 2015 #43

This is as bad as Benghazi. Haven't you said this over and over and over and over again?? kwassa Apr 2015 #44

I think you are correct. This isn't the first such post explaining how boston bean Apr 2015 #45

lol. which is why I said I wholeheartedly agree that white privilege is real cali Apr 2015 #47

You agree it's real, it just shouldn't be talked about... boston bean Apr 2015 #48

make more shit up, my dear friend. cali Apr 2015 #49

I'm making this up? boston bean Apr 2015 #51

You are making up that I said it should never be talked about. do point out where I say that, hon. cali Apr 2015 #53

You just say that it's off putting and that there has to be another way.... boston bean Apr 2015 #55

what bullshit. you really do love angels on pinheads. cali Apr 2015 #62

The proof is in the posts cali. Read them. boston bean Apr 2015 #63

No. what the fuck are you talking about? I've done nothing but condemn the benghazi bullshit cali Apr 2015 #46

It is called an analogy. You didn't understand the analogy. kwassa Apr 2015 #64

golly. funny that you won't respond to my post proving your accusations are a stinking pile. cali Apr 2015 #50

it is effective with all in my sphere that are thinkers. it is not effective with a man defending seabeyond Apr 2015 #54

Sure, for people who are unable to see past the end of their own nose, I suppose it is a Sheldon Cooper Apr 2015 #57

In the words of Louis CK Alittleliberal Apr 2015 #65

It's divisive... Blanks Apr 2015 #69

Racism is not about people being jerks. kwassa Apr 2015 #72

Yes, it's clearly too complex for me. Blanks Apr 2015 #75

There are many variables in discrimination. kwassa Apr 2015 #77

I have plenty of friends of color... Blanks Apr 2015 #107

Oh wow gollygee Apr 2015 #108

Blanks is bringing context to his views Blue_Adept Apr 2015 #112

That's not my experience... Blanks Apr 2015 #113

Where did I say that there aren't black attorneys, etc? gollygee Apr 2015 #114

You're right... Blanks Apr 2015 #115

i understand what you are saying. m-lekktor Apr 2015 #70

The problem is the 'white privilege' folks have not articulated marle35 Apr 2015 #73

Actually it has been explained to the nth degree nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #100

I agree. The term seems deliberately chosen to provoke a defensive response, Orrex Apr 2015 #76

If there's one way to piss off a broke and/or unemployed white person, Nye Bevan Apr 2015 #82

It's *a* lens but it's not *the* lens XemaSab Apr 2015 #85

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #90

Dreadlocks? ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #93

as a black person... Kali Apr 2015 #94

Your experience, not my experience Rolando Apr 2015 #96

The term and concept has never bothered me. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #86

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #91

We're all shocked. Really. Number23 Apr 2015 #95

I dislike the term because... ReasonableToo Apr 2015 #101

As you say, white privilege absolutely does exist. delrem Apr 2015 #103

i agree in that it is disempowering treestar Apr 2015 #104

The more we discuss certain issues the more commonplace they become..... NCTraveler Apr 2015 #109

No mere phrase is going to be effective at anything more than gaining our attention. Orsino Apr 2015 #110

I don't see anything wrong with the phrase itself romanic Apr 2015 #111