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78. Iran is on the news this morning,

Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:46 AM

Apr 2015

explaining that they want sanctions lifted now, that the US is misrepresenting the term of the agreement, and that there will be no agreement if sanctions ain't lifted in one chunk and immediately.

They didn't say the French are misrepresenting the terms, they didn't say anyone but the US is misrepresenting the terms. The US is driving this boat, other than thinking there are 5+1 players involved, anyone have any idea what any of them think ?

Kerry went to Iran with a box of chocolates to woo a middle east skank, and then bragged about a budding relationship with a proven liar. The US is about to made to look as foolish as we were to try and negotiate with Iran. But hey at least we pissed off Israel, gave Putin a new hand to play and maybe this cluster will show well in the Obama presidential Library next to the peace prize. No war,.... keep the sanctions, ....squeeze their economy,.... if that wasn't working they would never have wanted to "negotiate".

All said and done ? this was a great waste of time and an unnecessary egg thrown in the face of the US. If Iran is not a "marauder" then why the fuck did we go to "negotiate" with them, when the final result was a draft of a best case "treaty" that allows Iran everything they want, only ten years down the road?

Watch the blame game start, and then the apology, then the reality of a futile effort, and finally ............... nothing.
Some impressive shit.

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Hearing the details on the Iran agreement tonight... makes me ANGRY [View all] MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 OP

change your title to say Iran Vattel Apr 2015 #1

Thanks! MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #3

Very confusing post. I hadn't heard we are having talks with Iraq too yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #2

I @#$&ed up - it 's Iran MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #4

Oh thanks. It actually could have been Iraq too yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #6

One of the few time I agree with you Manny still_one Apr 2015 #5

Welcome to the Dark Side MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #7

lol still_one Apr 2015 #9

Didn't like the Third-Way swine comment, KMOD Apr 2015 #8

So what do you have to say about those so-called Democrats that are arm in arm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #11

I'm very disturbed by them. KMOD Apr 2015 #13

If Democrats Don't Stand With The President Yallow Apr 2015 #19

I do understand your concern, KMOD Apr 2015 #22

Good morning, KMOD In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #29

Good Morning, Wind. KMOD Apr 2015 #33

I suspect a O' in your name.. Smithryee Apr 2015 #39

you do? KMOD Apr 2015 #40

KMOD Smithryee Apr 2015 #41

Let me see if I have your priorities straight. You say you are very disturbed by rhett o rick Apr 2015 #30

I'm disturbed by the Democrats going against the President KMOD Apr 2015 #34

We have have plenty of kacekwl Apr 2015 #48

Here's how I'll fight KMOD Apr 2015 #51

Schumer's office? Have you ever called his office before? 2banon Apr 2015 #65

I've called his Albany office in the past, KMOD Apr 2015 #66

Albany? itcfish Apr 2015 #79

I agree. 99Forever Apr 2015 #28

I knew that was coming. KMOD Apr 2015 #35

Who is joking? 99Forever Apr 2015 #37

I was hoping we were making some progress KMOD Apr 2015 #38

Huh. And I loved it. FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #53

Our party is infested with the Third Way Think Tank's (investment bankers) bought and paid for sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #54

and thankfully, Schumer is taking a lot of heat for it. KMOD Apr 2015 #57

Doesn't matter to them what the people think. Try contacting his office. He doesn't even sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #61

I'll see if I can get Senator Gillibrand KMOD Apr 2015 #67

President Obama has kacekwl Apr 2015 #71

"Something needs to be done" Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #10

But the Billionaires They Work For Have Their Backs Yallow Apr 2015 #21

Obama stopped kissing up to Wall Street when they refused to give him credit for saving their asses. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #27

Do you recognize the name Smedley Butler? Stonepounder Apr 2015 #12

Thanks! BeanMusical Apr 2015 #20

EVERYBODY should recognize that name. sammythecat Apr 2015 #42

Take the pledge, everybody Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #14

Out of curiosity... what will "die-ins" achieve? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #15

One way to remind them that some of us still give a shit. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #16

But they don't care that we give a shit. if they did, they would give a shit, too. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #24

Absolute passive resistance libodem Apr 2015 #45

And let's notice that the Vietnam war kept going. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #75

Back in the days when Reagan was refusing to take any action against AIDS, die-ins were a potent Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #58

Probably exactly long as they did anyway, I'm sorry to say Scootaloo Apr 2015 #77

Your choice. Die-in and be recognized or be slaughtered in a war and brought back in a hidden casket erronis Apr 2015 #72

That's a false dilemma, erronis Scootaloo Apr 2015 #76

What if they gave a war, and nobody came? raging moderate Apr 2015 #17

Aw heck why worry about kids of military age getting killed when you can spread it around. gordianot Apr 2015 #18

Netanyahu Lickspittles - KEEP YOUR GODDAMN WAR libpride_15 Apr 2015 #23

And people thinking that starting up the draft will do anything but give the warmongers fresh djean111 Apr 2015 #25

War is an admission of Failure madokie Apr 2015 #26

It pisses me off that Schumer has gone over to the war monger side... world wide wally Apr 2015 #31

he's always been a warmonger--he was on Team Bush/Cheney/Lieberman for Iraq nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #32

Very kacekwl Apr 2015 #49

To "bring back" anything is not acknowledging how much the world has changed. randome Apr 2015 #36

Feel better, Manny libodem Apr 2015 #43

It pisses me off to no end Cosmocat Apr 2015 #44

"Money trumps peace" KansDem Apr 2015 #46

Manny is correct that . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #47

I'm with ya, Manny! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #50

They have wanted a war with Iran for many years now. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #52

Sounds like someone wendylaroux Apr 2015 #55

On a bright side to Iran about to make the US look foolish, NM_Birder Apr 2015 #56

Retried CIA analyst Paul Pillar blows up the "Iran as Marauder" myth . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #60

Iran is on the news this morning, NM_Birder Apr 2015 #78

It's not a treaty madville Apr 2015 #59

Sorry, that is not correct either . . FairWinds Apr 2015 #62

It can be both madville Apr 2015 #63

I agree Manny... For Freddie Apr 2015 #64

Why does turning down this deal mean "war"? Why not just get a better deal? 7962 Apr 2015 #68

It's not like there isn't a precedent for attacking an "obvious power facility" Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #73

The Iranians refused all offers from other countries to build an actual power facility 7962 Apr 2015 #74

Thank you for this post Mira Apr 2015 #69

War is the ultimate failure. That the chickenhawks look at it as a first option shows their Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #70

I'm wondering how many of those war mongering republicans would enlist B Calm Apr 2015 #80