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riqster

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Fri Apr 10, 2015, 10:28 AM Apr 2015

No, the Civil War is NOT Over. In fact, the South is slowly winning. [View all]

https://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2015/04/10/no-the-civil-war-is-not-over-in-fact-the-south-is-slowly-winning/

TONS of source info at the link today.

Sorry to break it to you, Gentle Reader, but somebody had to. For all the orthodox history saying that the Confederacy surrendered at Appomattox, they have in fact continued fighting for segregation, class stratification, and other key Confederate values.

The most obvious example was the large number of Jim Crow laws imposed upon black Americans after the South “surrendered”. Pretty much slavery without the costs of feeding, housing, and clothing the oppressed black workers and their families. Apartheid, American style.

Then came the Civil Rights Movement. We made some progress then, no doubt about it. But starting in the 1980’s, the NeoConfederates have slowly and systematically worked to restore their white-supremacist system, and in fact spread it to other, non-Confederate states.

Undoing affirmative action? Check.
Rolling back voting rights for Persons of Color? Check.
Lower wages paid to black workers than whites? Check.

All of this indicates a non-coincidental trend. It is a deliberate effort to re-fight the Civil War, albeit without obvious military force. And it is succeeding. Here’s one tiny example:

Once upon a time in the Oughts, your humble correspondent had a girlfriend from a foreign country, and she traveled to America to visit, meet the family, see the sights, and so on. She really wanted to see the South, and so we spent some time there. During that sojourn, we stopped at one of Georgia’s state universities to look at dinosaur bones, and wandered into a historical exhibit about the “War of Northern Aggression” (indeed, it was thus labeled) and how bad it was for the formerly-contented slaves. This in an accredited, state-chartered university.

That was a shocker. A government-funded institution teaching and spreading lies about the Civil War. She was shocked, and so was B & C.

Since that incident knocked the scales off the eyeballs, it has become ever more apparent that the Reagan Revolution included a strong racist, neo-Secessionist component. But instead of leaving the Union, the South has decided to take the over the whole damned country.

We are still at war with the forces of racist evil, friends. And we are losing.
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Sorry, it was the Army of Northern Virginia that surrendered at Appomatox. malthaussen Apr 2015 #1
Forest. Trees. riqster Apr 2015 #3
I'll stand by my point, thanks. malthaussen Apr 2015 #12
what's your agenda heaven05 Apr 2015 #34
And technically Cornwallis only surrendered the units under his command at Yorktown. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #7
+1. Good catch- appalachiablue Apr 2015 #17
what he said is true heaven05 Apr 2015 #32
A lot of good points. oldandhappy Apr 2015 #2
Oh hellz yeah. riqster Apr 2015 #4
So have many other states, including Texas. ananda Apr 2015 #13
Texas... malokvale77 Apr 2015 #126
Yep, that is pretty much the new GOP bottom line. If it's injurious to people, segregates RKP5637 Apr 2015 #103
They will pull the temple down on us all. riqster Apr 2015 #109
I wish the dems were tougher than they often are. Also, once we get a candidate, I hope RKP5637 Apr 2015 #114
"We must all hang together, or we shall surely all hang separately ". riqster Apr 2015 #117
the wild use of hyperbole seriously detracts from what you are trying to say cali Apr 2015 #5
Mentioned in the post. riqster Apr 2015 #9
But what if it isn't hyperbole? ananda Apr 2015 #14
As a Southerner, I fail to see the 'bashing' here. blackspade Apr 2015 #72
Geez cali... malokvale77 Apr 2015 #128
Cali doesn't much care for my posts. riqster Apr 2015 #133
can someone please explain to me exactly what it is the south is winning? it sure ain't the economy. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #6
The resegregation of America to fit the Confederate model. riqster Apr 2015 #10
you blame that on southerner politicians alone? good lord. they are all complicit in this. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #15
No, I said the whole country. riqster Apr 2015 #21
but, you are blaming it on The South. Looks to me like the 1% took a message and used it to their Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #24
The South started the Civil War. Their agenda continues and has spread. riqster Apr 2015 #28
but, you do admit that they are all over the country not just in the south, yes? Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #36
As I said in the OP. riqster Apr 2015 #45
then DON'T blame it on The South. That is all I am saying. Quit using that fucking war and Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #50
The war was started by the South. The war was continued by the South. riqster Apr 2015 #53
you need to go back and ReRead this SubThread. It is NOT JUST REGIONAL politicians Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #56
I know Tuesday. cwydro Apr 2015 #58
the way they twist it all around to blame it SOLELY on southern politicians just Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #59
I'm trashing it too. cwydro Apr 2015 #60
That'll wash a lot of hogs. riqster Apr 2015 #61
YOU are continuing it. cwydro Apr 2015 #63
Bollocks. So you see none of the effects cited in the OP? riqster Apr 2015 #65
Then you lack a clear understanding of the lasting divide that... blackspade Apr 2015 #74
well said, yourself heaven05 Apr 2015 #119
really? heaven05 Apr 2015 #120
I've noticed that too. bvar22 Apr 2015 #101
Well my friend, few of us who have any option live in the States that allow discrimination against Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #105
So where did you move? bvar22 Apr 2015 #110
... cwydro Apr 2015 #123
that is not true heaven05 Apr 2015 #121
Oh come on... malokvale77 Apr 2015 #129
should the title be heaven05 Apr 2015 #96
well said. blackspade Apr 2015 #107
Pop Quiz: bvar22 Apr 2015 #111
It's a metaphor heaven05 Apr 2015 #118
Do you mean the Wall Street 1%? bvar22 Apr 2015 #100
It's not just lynching. riqster Apr 2015 #108
The Civil War never ended.... Bigmack Apr 2015 #8
Sadly true. riqster Apr 2015 #11
I admire Chamberlain for his intellect & valor; don't make them like that anymore- appalachiablue Apr 2015 #18
They want slaves again, it is that simple NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #26
I feel like a new one is slowly coming to fruition. Initech Apr 2015 #49
And deliberately so. riqster Apr 2015 #57
+1,000,000 Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #104
I would wonder, if indeed the South surrendered, why do they still use that damn flag? calimary Apr 2015 #67
This: riqster Apr 2015 #70
That might explain how so many people on the other side refuse to accept "settled law." calimary Apr 2015 #85
Scary. riqster Apr 2015 #88
+1000 heaven05 Apr 2015 #122
You have given so much to reply to... malokvale77 Apr 2015 #130
"They will never explain" - awful lot of that going around! calimary Apr 2015 #134
Technically 1939 Apr 2015 #115
Welcome to DU, 1939! calimary Apr 2015 #124
Which Georgia university please? nt B2G Apr 2015 #16
It's been a decade past, but... riqster Apr 2015 #33
Class stratification and segregation were not just Confederate values. Orsino Apr 2015 #19
^this^ Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2015 #38
we're talking of the confederacy heaven05 Apr 2015 #40
+1 - It's been going on since we had tribes/races/sportsteams. This is one ugly manifestation. (eom) erronis Apr 2015 #44
It's become a sort of malignant synergy. riqster Apr 2015 #97
It certainly has. Orsino Apr 2015 #113
Agreed. riqster Apr 2015 #116
I saw this bumper sticker earlier this week KansDem Apr 2015 #20
Read up on Sherman's March to the Sea B2G Apr 2015 #30
And it was militarily, efficient. heaven05 Apr 2015 #41
So was the atomic bomb. nt B2G Apr 2015 #48
War is Hell NobodyHere Apr 2015 #47
It is. Both sides committed atrocities. nt B2G Apr 2015 #51
Oh, puh-leeze. Cry me a fucking river. Sherman should have seized all plantation properties KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #66
He didn't go far enough? B2G Apr 2015 #78
Seditious plantation owners retained title to their land and property (minus their KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #89
"Seditious plantation owners"... malokvale77 Apr 2015 #131
I'll see your Andersonville with Rock Island and raise with Ft.Delaware. Are_grits_groceries Apr 2015 #95
Excellent points. With the SC in their pockets, that's half the battle. world wide wally Apr 2015 #22
The surrender terms were mild for the time. riqster Apr 2015 #35
The battle still going on. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #23
Concisely put. riqster Apr 2015 #37
So many references to the Civil War in today's movies, tv, music, symbology, other media. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #25
Well, first people need to stop denying it. riqster Apr 2015 #39
Given that national demographics are against them, teabaggers are relying on this kairos12 Apr 2015 #27
Just so. One sees a lot of Confederate battle flags at Teabagger events. riqster Apr 2015 #98
The opponents of progressives don't need to win to win. They just need to stop progress. jtuck004 Apr 2015 #29
You may be right. riqster Apr 2015 #43
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! FAR RIGHT is far right. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #31
Quite true. riqster Apr 2015 #42
And repressive. blackspade Apr 2015 #75
+1 riqster Apr 2015 #81
great post! heaven05 Apr 2015 #46
Thanks. riqster Apr 2015 #73
Southern Strategy is still being used. SansACause Apr 2015 #52
Yes indeed. riqster Apr 2015 #54
The South shall rise again. blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #55
The Confederacy is sure working on it. riqster Apr 2015 #62
The institution of chattel slavery was smashed into oblivion with the KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #64
That seems a narrow reading to me. riqster Apr 2015 #69
There is a sustantial qualitative difference between chattel slavery and other KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #87
Not all had the resources to relocate. The Jim Crow laws hurt a lot of freed slaves. riqster Apr 2015 #91
That is true. The historian C. Vann Woodward in "The Strange Career of KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #93
I will look it up. Sounds interesting. riqster Apr 2015 #94
Chattel slavery was not the principal reason but a principal aspect of a wider... blackspade Apr 2015 #77
Well said. riqster Apr 2015 #90
Well, I'd be hard pressed to explain why Iowa farmboys or the scion of Mississippi plantations KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #92
My point was and is that the means may have changed but the goal has not. riqster Apr 2015 #99
It's not hard to understand if you consider the hegemonic processes that... blackspade Apr 2015 #106
LOL. Touche! I suppose I meant that your typical Iowa farm boy did not rush off KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #125
Hard to argue with that. blackspade Apr 2015 #68
Thanks. riqster Apr 2015 #80
Oh good grief.... this malarkey again! AlbertCat Apr 2015 #71
*huge eye roll* Texasgal Apr 2015 #76
The rich hold to power using the racists. It's up to you to break the cycle. mmonk Apr 2015 #79
The first step is to acknowledge the paradigm. riqster Apr 2015 #82
Agreed. mmonk Apr 2015 #83
Yeah, the Union soldiers were their saviors. B2G Apr 2015 #84
Which was totally different than how slaves were treated by their benevolent owners? riqster Apr 2015 #86
The South is WINNING???!!!! bvar22 Apr 2015 #102
Racism is being re-legalized as well as other economic and other measures. riqster Apr 2015 #112
One point of order... Scootaloo Apr 2015 #127
Morally, yes. riqster Apr 2015 #132
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