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In reply to the discussion: No, the Civil War is NOT Over. In fact, the South is slowly winning. [View all]KansDem
(28,498 posts)20. I saw this bumper sticker earlier this week

I thought "Terrorism?" Really? Who were the "terrorists?"
Well, who assassinated President Lincoln?
On the morning of Good Friday, April 14, 1865, Booth went to Ford's Theatre to get his mail; while there he was told by John Ford's brother that President and Mrs. Lincoln accompanied by Gen. and Mrs. Ulysses S. Grant would be attending the play Our American Cousin at Ford's Theatre that evening.[98] He immediately set about making plans for the assassination, which included making arrangements with livery stable owner James W. Pumphrey for a getaway horse, and an escape route. Booth informed Powell, Herold, and Atzerodt of his intention to kill Lincoln. He assigned Powell to assassinate Secretary of State William H. Seward and Atzerodt to assassinate Vice President Andrew Johnson. Herold would assist in their escape into Virginia.[99]
By targeting Lincoln and his two immediate successors to the presidency, Booth seems to have intended to decapitate the Union government and throw it into a state of panic and confusion.[100] The possibility of assassinating the Union Army's commanding general as well was foiled when Grant declined the theatre invitation at his wife's insistence. Instead, the Grants departed Washington by train that evening for a visit to relatives in New Jersey.[32] Booth had hoped that the assassinations would create sufficient chaos within the Union that the Confederate government could reorganize and continue the war if one Confederate army remained in the field or, that failing, to avenge the South's defeat.[101] In his 2005 analysis of Lincoln's assassination, Thomas Goodrich wrote, "All the elements in Booth's nature came together at once his hatred of tyranny, his love of liberty, his passion for the stage, his sense of drama, and his lifelong quest to become immortal."[102]
As a famous and popular actor who had frequently performed at Ford's Theatre, and who was well known to its owner, John T. Ford, Booth had free access to all parts of the theater, even having his mail sent there.[103] By boring a spyhole into the door of the presidential box earlier that day, the assassin could check that his intended victim had made it to the play and observe the box's occupants. That evening, at around 10 p.m., as the play progressed, John Wilkes Booth slipped into Lincoln's box and shot him in the back of the head with a .44 caliber Derringer.[104] Booth's escape was almost thwarted by Major Henry Rathbone, who was present in the Presidential box with Mrs. Mary Todd Lincoln.[105] Booth stabbed Rathbone when the startled officer lunged at him.[82] Rathbone's fiancée, Clara Harris, who was also present in the box, was unhurt.
Booth then jumped from the President's box to the stage, where he raised his knife and shouted "Sic semper tyrannis" (Latin for "Thus always to tyrants," attributed to Brutus at Caesar's assassination and the Virginia state motto), while others said he added, "I have done it, the South is avenged!"[40][106][107] Various accounts state that Booth injured his leg when his spur snagged a decorative U.S. Treasury Guard flag while leaping to the stage.[108] Historian Michael W. Kauffman questioned this legend in his book, American Brutus: John Wilkes Booth and the Lincoln Conspiracies, writing in 2004 that eyewitness accounts of Booth's hurried stage exit made it unlikely that his leg was broken then. Kauffman contends that Booth was injured later that night during his flight to escape when his horse tripped and fell on him, calling Booth's claim to the contrary an exaggeration to portray his own actions as heroic.[109]
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By targeting Lincoln and his two immediate successors to the presidency, Booth seems to have intended to decapitate the Union government and throw it into a state of panic and confusion.[100] The possibility of assassinating the Union Army's commanding general as well was foiled when Grant declined the theatre invitation at his wife's insistence. Instead, the Grants departed Washington by train that evening for a visit to relatives in New Jersey.[32] Booth had hoped that the assassinations would create sufficient chaos within the Union that the Confederate government could reorganize and continue the war if one Confederate army remained in the field or, that failing, to avenge the South's defeat.[101] In his 2005 analysis of Lincoln's assassination, Thomas Goodrich wrote, "All the elements in Booth's nature came together at once his hatred of tyranny, his love of liberty, his passion for the stage, his sense of drama, and his lifelong quest to become immortal."[102]
As a famous and popular actor who had frequently performed at Ford's Theatre, and who was well known to its owner, John T. Ford, Booth had free access to all parts of the theater, even having his mail sent there.[103] By boring a spyhole into the door of the presidential box earlier that day, the assassin could check that his intended victim had made it to the play and observe the box's occupants. That evening, at around 10 p.m., as the play progressed, John Wilkes Booth slipped into Lincoln's box and shot him in the back of the head with a .44 caliber Derringer.[104] Booth's escape was almost thwarted by Major Henry Rathbone, who was present in the Presidential box with Mrs. Mary Todd Lincoln.[105] Booth stabbed Rathbone when the startled officer lunged at him.[82] Rathbone's fiancée, Clara Harris, who was also present in the box, was unhurt.
Booth then jumped from the President's box to the stage, where he raised his knife and shouted "Sic semper tyrannis" (Latin for "Thus always to tyrants," attributed to Brutus at Caesar's assassination and the Virginia state motto), while others said he added, "I have done it, the South is avenged!"[40][106][107] Various accounts state that Booth injured his leg when his spur snagged a decorative U.S. Treasury Guard flag while leaping to the stage.[108] Historian Michael W. Kauffman questioned this legend in his book, American Brutus: John Wilkes Booth and the Lincoln Conspiracies, writing in 2004 that eyewitness accounts of Booth's hurried stage exit made it unlikely that his leg was broken then. Kauffman contends that Booth was injured later that night during his flight to escape when his horse tripped and fell on him, calling Booth's claim to the contrary an exaggeration to portray his own actions as heroic.[109]
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Oh, and how about Andersonville?
Descriptions of Andersonville[edit]
Robert H. Kellogg, sergeant major in the 16th Regiment Connecticut Volunteers, described his entry as a prisoner into the prison camp, May 2nd 1864:
As we entered the place, a spectacle met our eyes that almost froze our blood with horror, and made our hearts fail within us. Before us were forms that had once been active and erect;stalwart men, now nothing but mere walking skeletons, covered with filth and vermin. Many of our men, in the heat and intensity of their feeling, exclaimed with earnestness. "Can this be hell?" "God protect us!" and all thought that He alone could bring them out alive from so terrible a place. In the center of the whole was a swamp, occupying about three or four acres of the narrowed limits, and a part of this marshy place had been used by the prisoners as a sink, and excrement covered the ground, the scent arising from which was suffocating. The ground allotted to our ninety was near the edge of this plague-spot, and how we were to live through the warm summer weather in the midst of such fearful surroundings, was more than we cared to think of just then.[9]
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Robert H. Kellogg, sergeant major in the 16th Regiment Connecticut Volunteers, described his entry as a prisoner into the prison camp, May 2nd 1864:
As we entered the place, a spectacle met our eyes that almost froze our blood with horror, and made our hearts fail within us. Before us were forms that had once been active and erect;stalwart men, now nothing but mere walking skeletons, covered with filth and vermin. Many of our men, in the heat and intensity of their feeling, exclaimed with earnestness. "Can this be hell?" "God protect us!" and all thought that He alone could bring them out alive from so terrible a place. In the center of the whole was a swamp, occupying about three or four acres of the narrowed limits, and a part of this marshy place had been used by the prisoners as a sink, and excrement covered the ground, the scent arising from which was suffocating. The ground allotted to our ninety was near the edge of this plague-spot, and how we were to live through the warm summer weather in the midst of such fearful surroundings, was more than we cared to think of just then.[9]
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Fighting terrorism? Ask this guy if the South was fighting terrorism--
(A Union soldier who survived Andersonville)
Yeah, the "War of Northern Aggression." Give me a f*cking break!
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And technically Cornwallis only surrendered the units under his command at Yorktown.
hobbit709
Apr 2015
#7
Yep, that is pretty much the new GOP bottom line. If it's injurious to people, segregates
RKP5637
Apr 2015
#103
I wish the dems were tougher than they often are. Also, once we get a candidate, I hope
RKP5637
Apr 2015
#114
can someone please explain to me exactly what it is the south is winning? it sure ain't the economy.
Tuesday Afternoon
Apr 2015
#6
you blame that on southerner politicians alone? good lord. they are all complicit in this.
Tuesday Afternoon
Apr 2015
#15
but, you are blaming it on The South. Looks to me like the 1% took a message and used it to their
Tuesday Afternoon
Apr 2015
#24
but, you do admit that they are all over the country not just in the south, yes?
Tuesday Afternoon
Apr 2015
#36
then DON'T blame it on The South. That is all I am saying. Quit using that fucking war and
Tuesday Afternoon
Apr 2015
#50
you need to go back and ReRead this SubThread. It is NOT JUST REGIONAL politicians
Tuesday Afternoon
Apr 2015
#56
the way they twist it all around to blame it SOLELY on southern politicians just
Tuesday Afternoon
Apr 2015
#59
Well my friend, few of us who have any option live in the States that allow discrimination against
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2015
#105
I admire Chamberlain for his intellect & valor; don't make them like that anymore-
appalachiablue
Apr 2015
#18
I would wonder, if indeed the South surrendered, why do they still use that damn flag?
calimary
Apr 2015
#67
That might explain how so many people on the other side refuse to accept "settled law."
calimary
Apr 2015
#85
+1 - It's been going on since we had tribes/races/sportsteams. This is one ugly manifestation. (eom)
erronis
Apr 2015
#44
Oh, puh-leeze. Cry me a fucking river. Sherman should have seized all plantation properties
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#66
Seditious plantation owners retained title to their land and property (minus their
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#89
I'll see your Andersonville with Rock Island and raise with Ft.Delaware.
Are_grits_groceries
Apr 2015
#95
Excellent points. With the SC in their pockets, that's half the battle.
world wide wally
Apr 2015
#22
So many references to the Civil War in today's movies, tv, music, symbology, other media.
Dont call me Shirley
Apr 2015
#25
Given that national demographics are against them, teabaggers are relying on this
kairos12
Apr 2015
#27
The opponents of progressives don't need to win to win. They just need to stop progress.
jtuck004
Apr 2015
#29
There is a sustantial qualitative difference between chattel slavery and other
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#87
Not all had the resources to relocate. The Jim Crow laws hurt a lot of freed slaves.
riqster
Apr 2015
#91
Chattel slavery was not the principal reason but a principal aspect of a wider...
blackspade
Apr 2015
#77
Well, I'd be hard pressed to explain why Iowa farmboys or the scion of Mississippi plantations
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#92
It's not hard to understand if you consider the hegemonic processes that...
blackspade
Apr 2015
#106
LOL. Touche! I suppose I meant that your typical Iowa farm boy did not rush off
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#125
Which was totally different than how slaves were treated by their benevolent owners?
riqster
Apr 2015
#86