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Warren DeMontague

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45. I think both sides may be exaggerating, for effect or whatnot.

Reply to Raine1967 (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 10, 2015, 06:43 PM

Apr 2015

One one hand she's FDR with 2 X chromosomes, on the other she's a barely concealed Wal-Mart Pro-War Corporate Hawk who is going to gut social security and give all the money to the Koch bros.

I don't think she's on either extreme- my problems with her, at this point, are more a matter of campaign style, specifically a historical tendency she shares with her husband to avoid taking potentially controversial positions, which may translate into votes but also shakes out as poor leadership, in my opinion.

And this happens to be a time in this country when we need leadership, even of the potentially controversial variety.

Waiting until a safe majority of Americans support something like pot legalization or gay marriage, before "evolving" on them, is not leadership IMHO.

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Hillary Clinton: Where does she stand on the issues that are important [View all] ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 OP

This is one source BainsBane Apr 2015 #1

Not enough, plus it is out of date. Smithryee Apr 2015 #2

That is about to come to an end. obxhead Apr 2015 #6

I imagine the TPP will be the guiding law and policy long truedelphi Apr 2015 #9

Hillary on the TPP nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #20

Her vote for Iraq war is outdated too, but the anti-Hillary crowd.... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #27

Some votes define you. n/t Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #31

Exactly. And she sure has not moved even a half step away from the "forever war" truedelphi Apr 2015 #34

And you can click the above link and find out all of her votes. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #57

Okay I'll bite ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 #3

You can always use the google machine yourself BainsBane Apr 2015 #5

I know where she stands on forever war. I know where she stood on Bush/Cheney's illegal and sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #7

True, not as far to the right as Putin BainsBane Apr 2015 #11

Couldn't find any US Democrats to compare her to? That isn't very hopeful, is it? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #17

I thought I'd go with some of your favs instead BainsBane Apr 2015 #21

You don't do fantasy? Lol! Your entire post to me, I know it was intended to be a personal attack, sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #48

Another Democrat? BainsBane Apr 2015 #66

Where does Hillary stand on the TPP? Where does she stand on ending the neocon wars? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #77

I thought it was a great answer. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #22

Really? You liked those lame old Freeper attempts at personal attacks on Democrats? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #52

Ii think your reading it wrong. the point was she is That Hillary is to the left of Putin hrmjustin Apr 2015 #54

Oh I know an attempt at a personal attack when I see one. The implication was exactly what it was sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #75

I don't think you were attacked. i think BB gave a good response and you just don't seem to know how hrmjustin Apr 2015 #76

Right wing personal attacks do not belong on a Democratic forum. You can support such behavior all sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #78

RW? She mentioned putin and alluded to Assange's rape allegations. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #79

Exactly! And such Right Wing tactics against Democrats in order to avoid answering questions sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #80

Ok try answering my question this time. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #81

Are you seriously saying you don't know? Were you around during the Bush years? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #82

Yes i was. I lost a cousin in the war and five friends in tower 1 on 911. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #83

I lost loved ones also, far too many. I do not discuss my personal losses on DU. I asked you a sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #84

ok we are done. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #85

There is no Democrat on this forum who went through the Bush years opposing his policies. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #86

My question to you which you still refuse to answer is what was rw about Bainsbane response. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #88

YOU are condescending. Did you oppose the Iraq War, did you support the Whistle Blowers who sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #89

Still can't answer and the answer is no I did not support the war. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #91

That would make you 'a Saddam Lover/Traitor' and a 'Drake groupie/Traitor'. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #92

You weren't called a Saddam lover or traitor here. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #93

Using right wing tactics to personally attack other Democrats here is against the TOS of this forum. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #94

ok with all due respect I have tried very hard here to listen to your complaint. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #95

I did not take offense nor was I complaining. I was doing what needs to be done when people resort sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #96

I have no doubt you respect this forum. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #97

I am stating a fact. And I have no doubt about it. Nor that most Dems here know it. I'm not the sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #99

People are allowed to question you and use witt in their responses to you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #100

Why do you think people use old Right Wing talking points, rather than their own words? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #102

Name me one right wing talking point she used. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #103

You're not very good at this game. So back to what apparently caused the use of old Right Wing sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #104

No you just showed you are playing games. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #105

Where does Hillary stand on the TPP? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #106

We re done. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #107

You personally attack me with right wing gqrbage insults, and then YOU have the gall to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #108

Show me where I attacked you! put up! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #109

You cheered for a right wing personal attack. That is the ONLY reason I addressed you at all, then sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #111

Saying putin is to the right of Hillary is not a rw attack. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #113

Where does Hillary stand on cuts to SS, in the form of the Chained CPI? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #114

So basically you can't back up your claim so you change the subject. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #115

What would you have alerted on? BainsBane Apr 2015 #110

What is Hillary's position on the TPP? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #112

We're going to play this now? BainsBane Apr 2015 #116

If you don't want to discuss where our candidates for the WH stand on issues, just say so. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #118

Sabrina, you are not "Democrats" BainsBane Apr 2015 #98

Using Right Wing personal attacks on this forum against other DUers, violates the TOS. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #101

What does somebody evading an arrest warrant for rape have to do with anything? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #35

just some of her favorite public figures BainsBane Apr 2015 #44

You didn't answer the question. What do old Right Wing personal attacks against Democrats have to do sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #51

Are you talking about yourself? BainsBane Apr 2015 #67

I take it then you support the neocon 'forever war everywhere and anywhere' policies AND you sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #73

I support human rights BainsBane Apr 2015 #117

Nice post, about ME. But my interest is in issues and what political candidates stand for. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #119

What it was, was a desperate attempt at a personal attack because there appears to be a problem sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #49

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Apr 2015 #12

RE: Energy nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #8

On many issues she has directly contradicted or changed her position btw 2008-2012. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #42

Far to the right of me. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #4

How dare you question authority? RobertEarl Apr 2015 #10

Gotta agree - I mean when will the friggin' peasants start to get it? truedelphi Apr 2015 #15

Exactly the type of divisiveness the pro-Hillary crowd means when.... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #24

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #25

Exactly the type of divisiveness the pro-Hillary crowd hands out RobertEarl Apr 2015 #32

Feel better now? Agschmid Apr 2015 #26

So quit whining and answer the questions RobertEarl Apr 2015 #33

She's not my candidate I don't need to answer any questions. Agschmid Apr 2015 #37

So your answer is? RobertEarl Apr 2015 #39

Yup that's exactly what I said. Agschmid Apr 2015 #47

Can you link to where she said she "is a queen who can do no wrong"? zappaman Apr 2015 #61

H-1B Visa program expansion in her own words.. cascadiance Apr 2015 #14

At one point it got so bad, she was referred as Senator of New Delhi. Smithryee Apr 2015 #16

How bad was it, Johnny? foo_bar Apr 2015 #19

She does more than stand on the issues whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #18

More hyperbolic screed! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #30

she is a clone of obama, if you love him you will love her nt msongs Apr 2015 #23

Actually no....she is to his Left! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #29

I kind of like President Obama DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #38

Me too! one_voice Apr 2015 #53

As do I! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #59

He's governing pretty much as I expected... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #62

Yep we realists "get it" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #63

Do you 'get' a Democrat proposing cuts to SS? Or pushing a disastrous and secret deal with sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #74

Who did that? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #121

doubtful. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #41

No its not doubtful...its a FACT! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #60

That's not "a fact" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #70

She's not. Not now and not in 2008. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #87

You ask...you shall receive... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #28

Don't forget the pony. Gotta have a pony. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2015 #36

This might be interesting to some: Raine1967 Apr 2015 #40

I think both sides may be exaggerating, for effect or whatnot. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #45

I generally agree with you, Warren. Raine1967 Apr 2015 #46

Agreed. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #50

She's a garden variety liberal which is different than a leftist. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #55

I agree, but my fear is not so much that she'll do what it takes to be elected, my fear is Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #68

She's bright and has surrounded herself with a lot of bright people, including Obama people DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #71

Like i said, we'll see. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #72

Yes. I see it especially when it comes to marriage equality and Indiana. Raine1967 Apr 2015 #58

I think a lot of boomers don't totally get the Millenials, who are driving much of this change Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #69

She has made definitive issue statements on the issues the American voter REALLY cares about, silly! Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #43

Free trade? LWolf Apr 2015 #56

Wherever her handlers tell her to stand. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #64

wherever the donors tell her to stand Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #90

You can find out in her Sunday tweet! lol. morningfog Apr 2015 #65

it was a simple question ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 #120

Democratic voters love marijuana legalization. Hillary Clinton�doesn't. ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 #122

Where Does Hillary Clinton Stand On These Five Important Issues? ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 #123

On Citizens United, Today (4-14-2015) ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 #124

What about reconstruction of the social safety net? daredtowork Apr 2015 #125

The answers to your questions has been established on many areas. Here is the link Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #126