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In reply to the discussion: Joel Osteen's church theft opens can of worms: Jaws drop as folks do the math [View all]struggle4progress
(126,177 posts)68. I think it's more complicated than you suggest
A minister who receives a housing allowance may exclude the allowance from gross income to the extent it is used to pay expenses in providing a home. Generally, those expenses include rent, mortgage interest, utilities, repairs, and other expenses directly relating to providing a home. The amount excluded cannot be more than the reasonable compensation for the minister's services.
If you own your home, you may still claim deductions for mortgage interest and real property taxes. If your housing allowance exceeds the lesser of your reasonable compensation, the fair rental value of the home, or your actual expenses, you must include the amount of the excess in income.
The minister's employing organization must officially designate the allowance as a housing allowance before paying it to the minister.
The fair rental value of a parsonage or the housing allowance is excludable only for income tax purposes. The minister must include the amount for self-employment tax purposes. http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc417.html
Not all of a housing allowance is necessarily excludable from income tax: only the portion covering expenses directly relating to providing a home can be excluded, and that portion only insofar as it does not exceed reasonable compensation for the minister's services.
Regarding housing allowances, from your link: Include any amount of the allowance that you cannot exclude with your wages on line 7 of Form 1040 U.S. Individual Income Tax Return.
Your excerpt covers the case that the congregation provides (say) a parsonage.
If you own your home, you may still claim deductions for mortgage interest and real property taxes. If your housing allowance exceeds the lesser of your reasonable compensation, the fair rental value of the home, or your actual expenses, you must include the amount of the excess in income.
The minister's employing organization must officially designate the allowance as a housing allowance before paying it to the minister.
The fair rental value of a parsonage or the housing allowance is excludable only for income tax purposes. The minister must include the amount for self-employment tax purposes. http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc417.html
Not all of a housing allowance is necessarily excludable from income tax: only the portion covering expenses directly relating to providing a home can be excluded, and that portion only insofar as it does not exceed reasonable compensation for the minister's services.
Regarding housing allowances, from your link: Include any amount of the allowance that you cannot exclude with your wages on line 7 of Form 1040 U.S. Individual Income Tax Return.
Your excerpt covers the case that the congregation provides (say) a parsonage.
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Joel Osteen's church theft opens can of worms: Jaws drop as folks do the math [View all]
KamaAina
Apr 2015
OP
Posting the "Quotes of Joel Osteen" gets you an auto unfriend on FB or Twitter
ScreamingMeemie
Apr 2015
#4
Yes, this may be a lot of money but so far i have not heard him ranting about
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#2
If you compare it to the $534 billion 2014 US military budget it does not look so big
guillaumeb
Apr 2015
#5
When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"
FrodosPet
Apr 2015
#47
I wonder if the tax exemption for churches extends to his personal draws on the money?
Cleita
Apr 2015
#13
A minister's housing allowance is excludable from gross income for income tax purposes
progressoid
Apr 2015
#40
Wonder what pittance of that amount .....actually goes to charitable work...
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2015
#8
It has absolute zip to do with this conversation, but you could start a thread on it.
ScreamingMeemie
Apr 2015
#29
Huh, and churches don't have any required transparency like other nonprofits are required to do.
Cal Carpenter
Apr 2015
#14
"Prey TV looks like pay TV to me; it's just a curse on the human race." ~ Pete Townshend
Journeyman
Apr 2015
#20
There was a weird science fiction/horror series called Prey. They left it hanging after 13 episodes:
freshwest
Apr 2015
#61
I like to imagine that the money was stolen by none other than Jesus himself...
arcane1
Apr 2015
#27
It's a racket, pure and simple, selling hopeless people the hope of pie in the sky
Warpy
Apr 2015
#36
Has anyone noticed how many Christian mega-churches there are and how few mega-charities? n/t
BobSmith4152
Apr 2015
#64