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In reply to the discussion: Krugman is correct but he's not right! He is brilliant on economics, naive on GOVERNANCE! [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)34. The single
fact in this entire debate is that the stimulus was too small.
Too Little of a Good Thing
By PAUL KRUGMAN
The good news is that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, a k a the Obama stimulus plan, is working just about the way textbook macroeconomics said it would. But thats also the bad news because the same textbook analysis says that the stimulus was far too small given the scale of our economic problems. Unless something changes drastically, were looking at many years of high unemployment.
And the really bad news is that centrists in Congress arent able or willing to draw the obvious conclusion, which is that we need a lot more federal spending on job creation.
About that good news: not that long ago the U.S. economy was in free fall. Without the recovery act, the free fall would probably have continued, as unemployed workers slashed their spending, cash-strapped state and local governments engaged in mass layoffs, and more.
The stimulus didnt completely eliminate these effects, but it was enough to break the vicious circle of economic decline. Aid to the unemployed and help for state and local governments were probably the most important factors. If you want to see the recovery act in action, visit a classroom: your local school probably would have had to fire a lot of teachers if the stimulus hadnt been enacted.
And the free fall has ended. Last weeks G.D.P. report showed the economy growing again, at a better-than-expected annual rate of 3.5 percent. As Mark Zandi of Moodys Economy.com put it in recent testimony, The stimulus is doing what it was supposed to do: short-circuit the recession and spur recovery.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/opinion/02krugman.html?_r=1
By PAUL KRUGMAN
The good news is that the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, a k a the Obama stimulus plan, is working just about the way textbook macroeconomics said it would. But thats also the bad news because the same textbook analysis says that the stimulus was far too small given the scale of our economic problems. Unless something changes drastically, were looking at many years of high unemployment.
And the really bad news is that centrists in Congress arent able or willing to draw the obvious conclusion, which is that we need a lot more federal spending on job creation.
About that good news: not that long ago the U.S. economy was in free fall. Without the recovery act, the free fall would probably have continued, as unemployed workers slashed their spending, cash-strapped state and local governments engaged in mass layoffs, and more.
The stimulus didnt completely eliminate these effects, but it was enough to break the vicious circle of economic decline. Aid to the unemployed and help for state and local governments were probably the most important factors. If you want to see the recovery act in action, visit a classroom: your local school probably would have had to fire a lot of teachers if the stimulus hadnt been enacted.
And the free fall has ended. Last weeks G.D.P. report showed the economy growing again, at a better-than-expected annual rate of 3.5 percent. As Mark Zandi of Moodys Economy.com put it in recent testimony, The stimulus is doing what it was supposed to do: short-circuit the recession and spur recovery.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/opinion/02krugman.html?_r=1
The arguments around why are fairly subjective, especially those that imply Republicans would have voted for a larger package.
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Now, its arguable that even in early 2009, when President Obama was at the peak of his popularity, he couldnt have gotten a bigger plan through the Senate. And he certainly couldnt pass a supplemental stimulus now. So officials could, with considerable justification, place the onus for the non-recovery on Republican obstructionism. But theyve chosen, instead, to draw smiley faces on a grim picture, convincing nobody. And the likely result in November big gains for the obstructionists will paralyze policy for years to come.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/opinion/27krugman.html
Now, its arguable that even in early 2009, when President Obama was at the peak of his popularity, he couldnt have gotten a bigger plan through the Senate. And he certainly couldnt pass a supplemental stimulus now. So officials could, with considerable justification, place the onus for the non-recovery on Republican obstructionism. But theyve chosen, instead, to draw smiley faces on a grim picture, convincing nobody. And the likely result in November big gains for the obstructionists will paralyze policy for years to come.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/opinion/27krugman.html
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Krugman is correct but he's not right! He is brilliant on economics, naive on GOVERNANCE! [View all]
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
OP
Actually, I do! Not only have I worked for two state legislatures, I also have worked for
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#5
LOL. well, I bet Krugman has talked to some government people also. just a wild guess. n-t
Logical
May 2012
#10
So under your "logic" Olbermann and Michael Moore and Bill Maher should not discuss....
Logical
May 2012
#11
You're misinterpreting my point. This is NOT about shutting down debate or shutting people up.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#37
I'm always amazed that people think that getting rid of BlueDogs would help.
Honeycombe8
May 2012
#2
That was the ONLY way to get the Blue Dogs to vote for something! Judd Gregg is a Republican.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#6
they were thinking they'd get a second round of stimulus and *krugman* is naive about governance?
fishwax
May 2012
#9
I maintain my position because the Republicans were going to treat Obama exactly how they
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#55
I think he made the bill weaker to get Blue Dogs--who were not onboard with this.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#57
I don't get your point. I think he saw that the votes weren't there and went with what he could.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#38
Your logic makes no sense. You concede the fact that the Republicans weren't
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#56
I will pick up this book. I'm willing to admit that I may be wrong. I just don't think it is as easy
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#41
I tend to believe Scheiber on this, altho I certainly can't know what the "truth" is
CTyankee
May 2012
#43
I'm not blaming economists for anything, but there is a reason why there is a fundamental
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#40
Again, I am not suggesting that Krugman remain quiet about the difficulties that families face and
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#46
I understand what you're saying... Yet, Krugman's job isn't to be reasonable about the political
shcrane71
May 2012
#48
And his anecdote is correct. There should have been a larger stimulus. That's for sure...
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#51
I read an article in the 90s about the necessity of voting a straight-party ticket.
shcrane71
May 2012
#54
We need Krugman to keep fighting and pushing from the political Left. We need his voice.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#59
That's what we call "politiking." They had to sell this thing, of course.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#61
You have to sell it to the public, jeff. That's the way it works. You have to get
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#70
I don't understand what you're saying here. I never stated that the administration was stupid.
Liberal_Stalwart71
May 2012
#73