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In reply to the discussion: here is a question regarding my "white privilege", [View all]gollygee
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http://www.salon.com/2014/08/30/why_acknowledging_white_privilege_is_not_surrendering_to_white_guilt/
Recognizing and addressing the reality of white privilege is not the same thing as embracing or indulging white guilt. Quite the opposite: Its the pathway to liberation from white guilt. Thats a term often flung at white liberals by race-obsessed conservatives, but I suspect they are projecting their own emotional turmoil onto others. For one thing, its quite different to say that white people have inherited a historical responsibility than to claim that they must personally atone for the crimes of long-dead slaveholders and Southern sheriffs, or that they should apologize for the accident of their birth. No doubt the patronizing and ineffectual version of liberal white guilt mocked by right-wingers has existed in someone, somewhere. But I have hardly ever encountered it.
Those worst afflicted with white guilt maybe white torment is more accurate are precisely the people most enraged by the discussion of white privilege. That covers a wide swath of white conservatives, from Bill OReilly and Rush Limbaugh rightward into the scary fringes of the Internet. Sometimes their racial obsession is obvious and sometimes its more coded, but you dont have to press very hard to get to the conspiratorial and apocalyptic racial theories, the lurid tales of black criminality, sexuality and dysfunction.
Theyre like the preacher who insists on knowing all the details of the filth and perversity he inveighs against on Sunday morning. Their focus on African-Americans as a criminal-minded and primitive collective Id is racist and hypocritical, to be sure, not to mention strikingly odd in an era when violent crime in America has fallen to historic lows. But its also conflicted and full of longing. They yearn to be free of white privilege and perhaps of whiteness itself, whose benefits were never as great as advertised and have long since been outweighed by its toxic side effects. Since they cant make it go away by insisting that it does not exist, they dream of its destruction.
Recognizing and addressing the reality of white privilege is not the same thing as embracing or indulging white guilt. Quite the opposite: Its the pathway to liberation from white guilt. Thats a term often flung at white liberals by race-obsessed conservatives, but I suspect they are projecting their own emotional turmoil onto others. For one thing, its quite different to say that white people have inherited a historical responsibility than to claim that they must personally atone for the crimes of long-dead slaveholders and Southern sheriffs, or that they should apologize for the accident of their birth. No doubt the patronizing and ineffectual version of liberal white guilt mocked by right-wingers has existed in someone, somewhere. But I have hardly ever encountered it.
Those worst afflicted with white guilt maybe white torment is more accurate are precisely the people most enraged by the discussion of white privilege. That covers a wide swath of white conservatives, from Bill OReilly and Rush Limbaugh rightward into the scary fringes of the Internet. Sometimes their racial obsession is obvious and sometimes its more coded, but you dont have to press very hard to get to the conspiratorial and apocalyptic racial theories, the lurid tales of black criminality, sexuality and dysfunction.
Theyre like the preacher who insists on knowing all the details of the filth and perversity he inveighs against on Sunday morning. Their focus on African-Americans as a criminal-minded and primitive collective Id is racist and hypocritical, to be sure, not to mention strikingly odd in an era when violent crime in America has fallen to historic lows. But its also conflicted and full of longing. They yearn to be free of white privilege and perhaps of whiteness itself, whose benefits were never as great as advertised and have long since been outweighed by its toxic side effects. Since they cant make it go away by insisting that it does not exist, they dream of its destruction.
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I replied to this post before but here you are again with no response. Here's my same answer.
brush
Apr 2015
#76
UM, heating oil in a big pot is the way popcorn was always made by poor people.
merrily
Apr 2015
#69
Wasn't there a thread (within the last 6 months or so) very similar to this one...
boston bean
Apr 2015
#14
And they are posted, and the OP never returns to respond to anything...
ScreamingMeemie
Apr 2015
#59
As a member of a paradoxically privileged and sometimes maligned and persecuted minority...
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2015
#11
A DUer started a thread yesterday to discuss concrete ways to address institutional racism.
Nye Bevan
Apr 2015
#53
There are not any 'groups' of people's who are stereotyped by the idiots among them
randr
Apr 2015
#31
You are not supposed to feel guilty, but you should acknowledge that it is easier to be white
Marrah_G
Apr 2015
#35
You could get down off the cross and read to educate yourself. That would be nice. nt
LeftyMom
Apr 2015
#39
"I don't hold anything against anybody,....... unless they are an asshole." Self loathing, perhaps?
Buzz Clik
Apr 2015
#48
You're not supposed to feel guilty or pay anything. That's missing the point. n/t
arcane1
Apr 2015
#52
Why would you feel guilt!? I just don't get that at all. Seems to me it signals something unnoticed.
Rex
Apr 2015
#65
I don't get why you think discussing white privilege is shaming or has anything to do with guilt
fishwax
Apr 2015
#68
I imagine it's much more convenient to call it "white shaming" than it is to
LanternWaste
Apr 2015
#82