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Jim Lane

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26. All recent non-incumbent victors have emerged from contested nomination fights.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 06:27 PM
Apr 2015

I had thought maybe one would have to go back to Eisenhower for a counterexample, but on checking I found that, despite his immense personal popularity, even he faced significant competition for the nomination from Taft.

JFK beat LBJ and others. Nixon beat Rockefeller and Reagan. Carter beat Udall, Jackson, and Brown. Reagan beat Bush, Baker, and Bob Dole. Bush41 beat Dole, Kemp, Haig, and du Pont. Clinton beat Harkin, Tsongas, Brown, and Kerrey. Bush43 beat McCain, Forbes, and Elizabeth Dole. Obama beat Clinton and Edwards. I've named some of the significant opponents to the eventual winner but these were the major ones that popped into my head, and there were others.

The point is that in every election in the modern era (marked by the predominance of primaries and caucuses rather than the roles of party bosses), the Presidency has gone either to the incumbent President or to someone who emerged as the victor from a fierce intra-party struggle. If Gore had become President in 2000, or if you apply the criterion of popular vote rather than being inaugurated, then that election might qualify as a counterexample, because Gore had disposed of Bradley so easily. All the other cases are clear, though, in that the winner faced a tougher nomination fight than did Gore in 2000.

This quadrennial fretting about the supposed ill effects of a nomination fight seems misguided.

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There MUST be at least one challenger. This allows progressive ideas to be seen by the public. TheBlackAdder Apr 2015 #1
Why would she not have challengers? MineralMan Apr 2015 #2
Exactly! There are going to be challengers, and I hope for a rigorous debate among them. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #4
K n R. Yes she needs a challenge. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #3
It's not up to us whether she has challengers or not. MoonRiver Apr 2015 #5
There will be a primary challenge. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #6
Hillary the is only non-coward: It didn't help Gore to have a primary Challenge lewebley3 Apr 2015 #7
Umm, Gore won. The SCOTUS Cyrano Apr 2015 #10
Gore dispatched of Bill Bradley rather easily.../NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #23
All recent non-incumbent victors have emerged from contested nomination fights. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #26
Jim Lane, All the Primary did to Gore was hurt him!! lewebley3 Apr 2015 #27
I strongly disagree re 2000 Jim Lane Apr 2015 #28
Don't Agree: If the Dem's know they want Hillary now, why waste money!! lewebley3 Apr 2015 #29
That's a big "if", my friend. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #30
She will have primary challengers BainsBane Apr 2015 #8
So you see a primary challenge for Hillary as just a little PR exercise? Nothing that would djean111 Apr 2015 #9
Do you really think anybody cares if you are "won over?" MoonRiver Apr 2015 #11
Oh, I am shattered. Why on earth would I care what you think? I am answering a point in the OP. djean111 Apr 2015 #14
And of course she will present her positions, MoonRiver Apr 2015 #19
She needs to prove how she will support randr Apr 2015 #22
You NAILED IT. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #13
No, I do not see it as a PR exercise Cyrano Apr 2015 #15
Not doing the pledgey thing. Sorry. djean111 Apr 2015 #16
Not really. Perhaps someone else will Cyrano Apr 2015 #20
She will still win the nomination.... Novara Apr 2015 #12
And she'll have one...or two...or three brooklynite Apr 2015 #17
Of course she does. William769 Apr 2015 #18
We can only win with a primary challenge! randr Apr 2015 #21
Of course she does. That's what I expect. HRC enthusiasm doesn't replace the process, which some freshwest Apr 2015 #24
freshwest, part of your post is Cyrano Apr 2015 #25
Dream on realFedUp Apr 2015 #31
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