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WillTwain

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116. My radar is on about union support.

Sun Apr 12, 2015, 07:58 PM

Apr 2015

It is incredible the way democrats brush unions aside. This was her big rollout and she did not miss a single sizeable interest group - except the only one that can counter wealth inequality in a big way. Unions are the big piece of the puzzle missing for the last 30 years. Hillary knows this, which scares the hell out of me. She knows what they can do. Her deliberate omission is a red flag.

She knows they are the answer to saving the middle-class - yet flipped them off. This is right out if the Third Way playbook.

I hope she fixes this soon and Trumka endorses her. This is just a bad indicator. We need a real pro-union president.

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Hillary Rollout Flips The Bird To Unions - More Of The Same Can Be expected For Rich Vs. Rest [View all] WillTwain Apr 2015 OP

How long do you want the video to be? treestar Apr 2015 #1

She could have shortened the video and still put an AFL-CIO T-shirt on somebody. WillTwain Apr 2015 #3

I disagree. Unless the AFL-CIO officially supports her, she should not use them in her advertisingnt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #58

IS she sure that every ither group represented will support her? Unions will, they always do. WillTwain Apr 2015 #65

AFL-CIO may endorse another Democrat. An endorsement isn't guaranteed. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #70

They are reluctant and this will not help. WillTwain Apr 2015 #75

This Union Member RobinA Apr 2015 #239

This is what Hillary needs to hear. WillTwain Apr 2015 #241

If Hillary supports the TPP the AFL-CIO should with hold support. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #99

They are not a guarantee for the first time in history. Obama screwed them over too much. WillTwain Apr 2015 #113

Fine. Have the shirt say "UNION" not AFL CIO. merrily Apr 2015 #178

How about a scene from Wisconsin. There is a group that needs help from Hillary. WillTwain Apr 2015 #185

Sure. a Wisconsin shirt. As I said, I'm flexible. merrily Apr 2015 #188

Hillary and the world at large need us. WillTwain Apr 2015 #193

I wanted to see someone wearing a grateful dead t-shirt, or a tie-dye. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #84

Woody Guthrie not the Dead. WillTwain Apr 2015 #88

I like Woody, yes sir Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #92

Is Jerry a union man? WillTwain Apr 2015 #114

Jerry was more of a music man. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #115

Woody was more of a man man. Jerry is cooler, though. WillTwain Apr 2015 #117

Also, she could have had someone on camera wearing T-shirts for: OldRedneck Apr 2015 #102

It is inexcusable to omit the most important group of the last eighty years. Inexcusable. WillTwain Apr 2015 #107

Yup...Before they started tapping Wall St, Unions funded their campaigns. whathehell Apr 2015 #149

Damn it, yes...the missing 'owl lobby' was very telling. Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #170

Could these responses to the OP be anymore beside the point? merrily Apr 2015 #182

Is it any wonder why Rome is burning. WillTwain Apr 2015 #212

Again? merrily Apr 2015 #213

What an odd response to question on a Democratic Forum, about Unions. Please stop trying to silence sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #140

It was about the video treestar Apr 2015 #148

Unions are a huge issue for Democrats, though from what I am seeing wrt to Unions, they have issued sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #151

The Clinton's are not saying, "Oh Shit, we forgot Union." This is planned. WillTwain Apr 2015 #220

I think you are right. Can't be FOR the TPP AND Unions at the same time. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #234

This is so obvious. I fear of a trojan horse. I want her to make a fool of me. WillTwain Apr 2015 #236

+1 cui bono Apr 2015 #257

Length of video? That's your answer? merrily Apr 2015 #177

Isn't that hilarious. WillTwain Apr 2015 #183

I might have chosen another word, but, sure, I'll go with hilarious. merrily Apr 2015 #184

I have learned to contain myself. WillTwain Apr 2015 #186

You must be an expert contortionist. merrily Apr 2015 #215

600 straight posts without a hide. I am proud. I welcome their hatred. WillTwain Apr 2015 #221

Don't tempt fate. merrily Apr 2015 #222

601 and counting. WillTwain Apr 2015 #224

601 was way too easy, though. I don't alert much. merrily Apr 2015 #226

ROFLMGAO! William769 Apr 2015 #2

Crying MAO in eight years WillTwain Apr 2015 #4

yup JI7 Apr 2015 #7

This in incredible. WillTwain Apr 2015 #8

Since you brought up Walmart, do you have any idea what she did while on the board? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #5

Tell me. WillTwain Apr 2015 #6

Since you brought it up in a negative way I was thinking Hillary pushing Buy America Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #10

Was this the ad campaign? tazkcmo Apr 2015 #31

Are you familiar with Walmart practices during the time she was on the board? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #49

Yes. tazkcmo Apr 2015 #79

I'm more interested in what *Wal-Mart* did while she was on it's board, than what Marr Apr 2015 #12

Did she try a military coup to overthrow the company? News to me. WillTwain Apr 2015 #16

Do you remember the Walmart ads "Buy America"? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #50

They've come a long way baby since the 70s and Sam Walton, haven't they. WillTwain Apr 2015 #55

Maybe cogitive dissonance has some confused to the facts, huh. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #81

I'd love to see a fucking fact. There's a shortage. merrily Apr 2015 #192

They cherry pick and ignore the very facts they claim are missing. WillTwain Apr 2015 #196

I do. Then the father Sam died, the kids took over, and now look! PrefersaPension Apr 2015 #80

Right on. LeFleur1 Apr 2015 #97

Hill will fix it. WillTwain Apr 2015 #101

When did Sam die? When did the kids take over? Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #163

They have put out they are supposed to be on a campaign to buy Made in USA again in 2013. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #181

Since you brought them up, when did Walmart stop running those ads? Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #162

Hillary was appointed to the board in 1986 and served six years. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #179

Possible, maybe she was trying to unionize and gave up. WillTwain Apr 2015 #187

Is this how unions are started in companies? Didn't know board of directors organized the Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #191

Just for thought, she quit when Bill started campaigning. Like Jeb quit bad companies last year. WillTwain Apr 2015 #197

Pure speculation of what would have happened. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #198

True, yet interesting timing. WillTwain Apr 2015 #201

It's over, I am out of here. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #204

Have a good one. I like Hillary, but she needs to fix this.. WillTwain Apr 2015 #210

She advocated for Buy America and pushed for promotions for women, two things impotant to me. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #195

We are talking Walmart. And how did the buy America thing go for her? WillTwain Apr 2015 #200

Get over it, she was on the board, she pushed for Buy America and promotion of women, Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #202

I am not sure if you are implying I do not care about your issues, which is an insult. WillTwain Apr 2015 #208

WTF? Walmart was the poster child for a lousy employer. She gave that the imprimatur of merrily Apr 2015 #189

Every Democratic Presidential nominee has waived the middle class banner and yet the liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #9

Bill, Barack and Hillary - Three Strikes Wea Are Out WillTwain Apr 2015 #13

Why so negative so soon? babylonsister Apr 2015 #21

My radar is on about union support. WillTwain Apr 2015 #116

three successful progressive democrats arely staircase Apr 2015 #23

and none of them have helped the middle class and no they were not progressive. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #32

both Clintons and Obama are true champions of the middle class arely staircase Apr 2015 #66

Where are you getting that, their web sites? WillTwain Apr 2015 #69

I am a democrat and I support Democrats arely staircase Apr 2015 #259

I am a Democratic Socialist. WillTwain Apr 2015 #265

cool arely staircase Apr 2015 #266

Absolutely, and maybe the presidency - Bernie has my vote, if he runs. WillTwain Apr 2015 #267

Obama and the Clintons champions of the middle class. Thanks for the laugh. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #89

LOL - yeah, right. closeupready Apr 2015 #145

LMFAO ...champions of banksters and Wall Street. L0oniX Apr 2015 #227

haters gonna hate arely staircase Apr 2015 #258

Greed is going to win. Enjoy. L0oniX Apr 2015 #260

Champions, Champions yes Champions of the middle-class. WillTwain Apr 2015 #261

The 1% are laughing at us all. This is all just entertainment for them. L0oniX Apr 2015 #262

They must love it. Progressive ideas cannot even make it out of the progressive party. WillTwain Apr 2015 #263

You were close. Three successive kickers of unions ass. WillTwain Apr 2015 #118

Banksters and Wall Street ARE the new middle class. The old one is gone. L0oniX Apr 2015 #219

If we can ignore the rich, we are all equally poor - that is democracy. WillTwain Apr 2015 #223

Hillary is banking on winning without us. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #11

This was my biggest fear and it appears to be validated. WillTwain Apr 2015 #14

Even if she tries to win labor, who amongst us will believe she is sincere? RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #15

Ya, but she is not even faking it. WillTwain Apr 2015 #17

TPP and Wall Street. Yay. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #20

Is there any political reason for this dissing of unions? Do they have a plan that includes WillTwain Apr 2015 #24

She's going to try to let us fade away into antiquity. RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #26

The unions are becoming increasingly powerless & irrelevant. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #91

That looks like her calculation. WillTwain Apr 2015 #98

If she didn't even have a union shirt on anybody, that sure leaves a bad taste Nay Apr 2015 #205

This was deliberate. She featured every group important to her except labor. Pretty straight forward WillTwain Apr 2015 #209

A mild edit-- Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #268

you have a mouse in your pocket? nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #25

What flavor? RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #27

And she will, validating the turd way strategy Doctor_J Apr 2015 #123

It rots teeth and healthcare is too expensive. WillTwain Apr 2015 #126

lol - nice play on words there. CrispyQ Apr 2015 #230

They dismiss the left, Republicans capitulate to the right. WillTwain Apr 2015 #232

Not at all! Maedhros Apr 2015 #254

When will she get labor's endorsement? WillTwain Apr 2015 #264

That must be why Randi Weingarten praised Hillary's video on FB. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #18

I hope she knows something the video did not indicate. WillTwain Apr 2015 #19

Well being President of one of the largest unions in the U.S. probably helps. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #22

I agree, but it is hard to understand the omission of unions. It does not look right. WillTwain Apr 2015 #28

And how have the unions faired over the last few decades? Maybe today's union leaders are not that liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #37

Mine's doing great. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #39

Well, I can tell you our local Boeing union is not, and neither are lots of other unions liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #52

Republican Gov. of SC is suppressing an election for the union for Boeing workers. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #68

Super-Hillary to the rescue. WillTwain Apr 2015 #71

Super Cruz will really help unions. See, I can do strawmen too. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #78

Cruz sucks. WillTwain Apr 2015 #85

"streamlining elections". Is that anything like supporting teachers unions by taking funding away liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #86

Union elections. NLRB. Labor reform. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #156

OMG! Hillary didn't get a face lift before the video.... and she didn't whiten her teeth. justiceischeap Apr 2015 #29

You said it all. "resonates quite heavily with polls right now" WillTwain Apr 2015 #33

You've made me curious... justiceischeap Apr 2015 #43

It does not have to be. Cheap labor coupled with no unions will be the end. WillTwain Apr 2015 #119

I'm not anti-union justiceischeap Apr 2015 #121

Most manufacturing is minimum wage non union. I ran a staffing company, I know. WillTwain Apr 2015 #127

And the one good thing about stereotypes justiceischeap Apr 2015 #130

Another stereotype is Democratic presidents are fighting for the working class. WillTwain Apr 2015 #133

One more thing, WillTwain Apr 2015 #124

We can go back and forth on this all night, I'm sure justiceischeap Apr 2015 #128

I can appreciate your thoughts, but like I said most union jobs have little to do with foreign labor WillTwain Apr 2015 #132

Maybe she can borrow the anti-union tape Safeway uses... PrefersaPension Apr 2015 #146

This proud union member (AFT) backs Hillary arely staircase Apr 2015 #30

Proudly? leveymg Apr 2015 #35

Good Luck. WillTwain Apr 2015 #36

Prison Guard Union or Police Union? nt U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #42

I wish I said that. WillTwain Apr 2015 #48

so you could have looked foolish too? nt arely staircase Apr 2015 #56

it was so politically astute. I love that depth of understanding of the games played. Fun stuff. WillTwain Apr 2015 #67

AFT (AFL-CIO) arely staircase Apr 2015 #53

“I stand behind the charter school/public school movement, because parents do deserve greater choice U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #94

This. Makes. Me. Sick. Who the hell could actually support the fraud that is the for-profit Nay Apr 2015 #207

Insanity has swept the land. WillTwain Apr 2015 #211

...that and a lot of corporate shills infesting the blogosphere. L0oniX Apr 2015 #218

Keep being a voice of reason. WillTwain Apr 2015 #225

You can't reason with blind obedience. L0oniX Apr 2015 #229

+1 L0oniX Apr 2015 #217

as long as you got yours right? Who cares if other unions are being destroyed right? liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #59

that makes no sense arely staircase Apr 2015 #64

Starting in 2016 Seattle Boeing Union's pension is frozen. What did they get out of their liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #74

Hillary will fix it. WillTwain Apr 2015 #76

Stop. I can't take it anymore. It's too funny. merrily Apr 2015 #194

Most labor will, and not because they think that Democrats will rubber stamp everything labor wants still_one Apr 2015 #153

I didn't like her pantsuit. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #34

She needs the extra pockets for carrying a second phone. n/t leveymg Apr 2015 #38

Me too!!! ronnykmarshall Apr 2015 #41

DU is no place for sexism. WillTwain Apr 2015 #44

Nor is it a place for ignorance of sarcasm and lack of appreciation for a good 90's meme. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #46

I was being sarcastic in a place that has no place for ignorance of sarcasm. WillTwain Apr 2015 #51

Sure you were. I Believe that. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #61

You Better. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #106

+1 one_voice Apr 2015 #144

What makes you the know-all mind-reader? Unbelievable. WillTwain Apr 2015 #108

No change since 2008 ronnykmarshall Apr 2015 #40

Just ignore it. I still remember when a high Kerry... TreasonousBastard Apr 2015 #54

Fueled by high-octane hyperbole too! emulatorloo Apr 2015 #60

Isn't that the truth still_one Apr 2015 #155

Yup. Same as it ever was... SidDithers Apr 2015 #160

Hillary instead of Barack, more of the same Union neglect. WillTwain Apr 2015 #169

Nice to see you around, RKM! I was wondering the Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #172

Also absent were the working class poor. I saw mostly middle class people Dragonfli Apr 2015 #45

No, but plenty of future poor people. WillTwain Apr 2015 #63

Well, it looks like they will have to fix up some of the condemned buidings Dragonfli Apr 2015 #72

There are plenty of empty deserts owned by the government, too. Freedom, Liberty. WillTwain Apr 2015 #83

+1 leftstreet Apr 2015 #141

see no evil, hear no evil PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #159

I think you are reading too much into a fluffy video. jillan Apr 2015 #47

This. Exactly this. nt Skidmore Apr 2015 #77

It's very early in the process JustAnotherGen Apr 2015 #57

You have a smart approach. WillTwain Apr 2015 #87

Walmart is the world's largest company, owned by the world's richest family. Octafish Apr 2015 #62

Two chickens, imported from China, in every pot. WillTwain Apr 2015 #90

Why would she abandon unions when she has always been pro-union OKNancy Apr 2015 #73

As i have pointed out. The crisis is the wealth gap, without big increases in union membership WillTwain Apr 2015 #96

Yep, unions got her elected for the NY senate. joshcryer Apr 2015 #154

They need unions. Obama used them then stiffed them, so cynical. WillTwain Apr 2015 #203

Are you talking about the video? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #82

You think HRC won't be supportive of labor, then vote for someone else. I would like to remind you still_one Apr 2015 #93

You are right. Voting for Obama really panned out, too. Sarcasm. WillTwain Apr 2015 #104

If you don't think voting for President Obama "panned out" then Cha Apr 2015 #125

Just for your information. WillTwain Apr 2015 #129

unions are having the issues they are have because they voted for Reagan. Yes, there is adifference still_one Apr 2015 #152

Unions hate Obama for good reasons. Do you know more than they do about Obama's WillTwain Apr 2015 #171

You just fucked up. We have a Congress controlled by Republicans, yet when you said . . . Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #164

A biscuit to a starving dog. They hate him. He did less with more than any president in history for WillTwain Apr 2015 #173

Nevertheless, this is what we are up against. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #165

Don't I know it and have known it for 7 years, Major. I got the machine to crank it out.. Cha Apr 2015 #166

Ha ha ha!!!! Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #167

Why do you laugh at poverty? WillTwain Apr 2015 #175

Popcorn machine made in China by 60 cents an hour non-Union workers. WillTwain Apr 2015 #174

Yeah right. That is why unions are in such good shape. Brilliant view still_one Apr 2015 #150

Jesus Christ....it's her first ad! Give the Hillary hate a rest. beaglelover Apr 2015 #95

No kidding workinclasszero Apr 2015 #103

Hillary did not do herself a favor with this slight of unions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #112

Criticism does not equal hate nt LiberalElite Apr 2015 #105

The attack dogs are out. You cannot reason with some people. WillTwain Apr 2015 #111

Irony can be so ironic sometimes mythology Apr 2015 #147

Jesus Christ....give the blind faith a rest. Its like a restaurant forgetting to put hamburger in WillTwain Apr 2015 #109

Give the middle class hate a rest too. L0oniX Apr 2015 #214

So, if Bernie Sanders doesn't SPECIFICALLY call out Unions in his first ad, you'll dump him? brooklynite Apr 2015 #100

Absolutely WillTwain Apr 2015 #110

No because he has earned some trust. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #134

I cannot imagine him not mentioning unions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #139

K&R Scuba Apr 2015 #120

she doesn't make any bones about being a wall street water carrier. she will run Doctor_J Apr 2015 #122

This is apparent to some, but not enough. Ditching unions is the canary in the coal mine. WillTwain Apr 2015 #131

God knows I don't want her. 840high Apr 2015 #135

k&r. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #136

I understand where you're coming from. lovemydog Apr 2015 #137

I want to like Hillary, she is so talented and qualified. WillTwain Apr 2015 #138

DURec leftstreet Apr 2015 #142

no surprise awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #143

GM is still here because of Obama. The republicans wanted them to go through a formal still_one Apr 2015 #157

K&R marym625 Apr 2015 #158

The Traitors that sold out US Manufacturing nationalize the fed Apr 2015 #161

As a straight white male, that video offended me. onehandle Apr 2015 #168

As a gut who understands pandering it offended me. WillTwain Apr 2015 #180

We live in an oligarchy. mn9driver Apr 2015 #176

Maybe a queen this time at the top WillTwain Apr 2015 #190

No. It does nothing of the sort. MineralMan Apr 2015 #199

Of what sort? PrefersaPension Apr 2015 #231

Of the flipping the bird sort. MineralMan Apr 2015 #235

You chime in on my posts all the time. Call it what you want, it is an absolute snub of unions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #237

Yes, I posted in your public thread, but the post MineralMan Apr 2015 #238

I welcome your posts. Simply do not pretend you are unaware of me. You have demeaned me WillTwain Apr 2015 #240

Look at the thread's post list. You're in a subthread. MineralMan Apr 2015 #242

My error. Though you have been dismissive of me. My replies to you still hold up. WillTwain Apr 2015 #243

I simply disagree with you on some points. MineralMan Apr 2015 #244

No, You have told me I am not worthy of voicing my opinion. I love that we disagree. WillTwain Apr 2015 #245

Oh, bother... MineralMan Apr 2015 #246

Excellent, Check your posts, too. WillTwain Apr 2015 #247

There was definitely a guy working in a factory Bettie Apr 2015 #206

Not when most workers are non Union and work in poverty. Nobody thought Union man WillTwain Apr 2015 #216

Sorry, my first thought was Union Guy Bettie Apr 2015 #249

I hope you read the thread, my positions are clearly stated. WillTwain Apr 2015 #252

This OP only makes sense in bizarro world. All the Union forums I've checked loved the video. stevenleser Apr 2015 #228

Why are they not endorsing her, yet? If they are so enamored with her. WillTwain Apr 2015 #233

Are you in a hurry? brooklynite Apr 2015 #255

I do not thinks so. WillTwain Apr 2015 #256

All the union people I know are "Ready for Hillary" DemocraticWing Apr 2015 #248

"I also don't think endorsing equality for America's oppressed peoples is a minor deal." WillTwain Apr 2015 #250

She mooned the military, too, by not having a single soldier or battleship in the ad. OFFS. Hekate Apr 2015 #251

OK WillTwain Apr 2015 #253

She also flipped off first responders...I didn't see any in the ad DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #269

Got me. I was ready fire. WillTwain Apr 2015 #270

kick woo me with science Apr 2015 #271

I don't see this as her flipping the bird to unions Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #272

Must be cause she's a Leninist BainsBane Apr 2015 #273