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In reply to the discussion: I want to wish the best of luck to Hillary and say this [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)The extremely unlikely scenario in which I would not vote for Clinton even if she's the nominee:
The GOP establishment again prevails over the movement conservatives, nominating a ticket like Bush/Kasich (who used to have some RWNJ support but who endorsed Medicaid expansion in Ohio, thereby revealing himself to be a socialist).
The conservative base is furious. They say, "If we keep voting in November for RINOs like McCain, Romney, and now Bush, the elite will keep shoving such nominees down our throats. We've had it. No more. There's no difference between the major parties. We're going to give the American people a genuine conservative alternative, and if the split in Republican ranks means the Democrats win, so be it -- at least we've laid the groundwork for 2020." In other words, they go Naderite. They run a third-party ticket composed of two of the likes of, in alpha order, Carson, Cruz, DeMint, Gohmert, Palin, Paul, Pence, etc. Maybe the Libertarians dislike the hawkishness of both Bush and the RWNJ so they again run their own candidate. (Remember that they finished third in 2012.)
That split on the right means that the Democrat is virtually assured of victory. That means, however, that a genuinely progressive independent candidacy has at least some chance of avoiding the fiasco of 2000. In that year it was always obvious that Nader couldn't win and that the only real-world effect of his candidacy would be to help Bush. In my scenario, some kind of Sanders/Grayson ticket might actually have a chance to win. It would be conceivable that some serious progressive campaign would emerge -- not a no-hoper Jill Stein on the Green Party line but rather someone who might defeat Clinton and the various right-wingers.
If, going into Election Day, it seems that a progressive candidate has a realistic chance of winning, then I'll vote for that candidate. I'm estimating the chance of that at roughly 0.01%.
In any other scenario, if Clinton is the Democratic nominee, I'll hold my nose and vote for her.