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Raine1967

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40. That's really a bit disingenuous.

Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:05 PM

Apr 2015

You act like suddenly a bunch of straight people just joined a bandwagon to be popular.

At what point would it be acceptable for a Democratic politician to accept LGBT equality with out saying they are pandering?

It all has to start somewhere. She is the first major Presidential candidate that has come out of the gate for LGBT equality. That is a big deal. The fight for LGBT equality has come very far in a very short time. She has two gay couple featured in her announcement.

That isn't pandering, that is a very important realization that this is no longer something that is NOT normal. IT is a part of everyone's life. be it family, friends, neighbors and co-workers. It will no longer be in the shadows.

I suspect I won't be convincing you otherwise, so have a lovely night.

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I have to say that I am nothing short of amazed that an announcement video [View all] dsc Apr 2015 OP

right there with ya DURHAM D Apr 2015 #1

I live in Philadelphia. Teh gay is nothing special to me. onehandle Apr 2015 #2

I am a middle aged gay man dsc Apr 2015 #8

I hear ya. onehandle Apr 2015 #10

I thought it was great that there were all types of families represented Bettie Apr 2015 #11

As one 1966 baby to another Chellee Apr 2015 #91

My PT 2naSalit Apr 2015 #102

OK...you're probably right Bettie Apr 2015 #112

Everybody has to grow up...but... KatyMan Apr 2015 #118

And aren't you fucking lucky to have had your whole Scruffy Rumbler Apr 2015 #126

I think you're missing the point. onehandle Apr 2015 #132

I think it's amazing... liberalmuse Apr 2015 #3

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ calimary Apr 2015 #18

Right there with you. yardwork Apr 2015 #37

Rubio's announcing tomorrow.. :( Cha Apr 2015 #103

Exactly. I have to wonder... MineralMan Apr 2015 #4

Agree! beaglelover Apr 2015 #5

That isn't why it is being panned. morningfog Apr 2015 #6

It was an introduction video. beaglelover Apr 2015 #7

I disagree. It was an announcement video. morningfog Apr 2015 #9

It really wouldn't matter if she got into specifics LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #16

Well I say families--working families --famlies of all sorts--alone, with kids, older riversedge Apr 2015 #81

Introduction? tazkcmo Apr 2015 #13

None of us have ever met THIS Hillary before. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #82

I agree. We all need to get acquainted with the CURRENT iteration of Hillary Clinton... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #19

So it had content that made you proud to be a Democrat and yet you claim that is not substantial? Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #21

Images included in her video say little about her morningfog Apr 2015 #28

What was your position? DURHAM D Apr 2015 #42

My position was for marriage equality and an end to all morningfog Apr 2015 #43

For what office were you running? DURHAM D Apr 2015 #44

Which potential Democratic candidate do you predict morningfog Apr 2015 #46

So you can't answer the question DURHAM D Apr 2015 #58

Your question was irrelevant and stupid. morningfog Apr 2015 #61

did you watch the logo debate?in 08 gwheezie Apr 2015 #88

that was the beginning of the end of Richardson for me dsc Apr 2015 #144

Do you think any Dem Candidate will be running on an anti-Gay marriage platform in 2016? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #86

many Candidates would be more than happy to keep quiet on the subject, rather than make a stand Sheepshank Apr 2015 #135

Are you sure you don't have Hillary and Obama turned around? ieoeja Apr 2015 #121

Absolutely NOT lark Apr 2015 #137

Marriage inequality is not the totality of anti-LGBT discrimination. ieoeja Apr 2015 #140

The video images are an important part of the substance. pnwmom Apr 2015 #29

Yes, difference between dems and pugs, not among dems. morningfog Apr 2015 #48

She's not running for President of the Dems. Everything she does now is to put her pnwmom Apr 2015 #63

Uh, she is running for the Democratic Nomination. morningfog Apr 2015 #66

This ad is to introduce her candidacy for the Presidential election overall. pnwmom Apr 2015 #69

WTF is "lady time?" MADem Apr 2015 #178

Oh god. That was an auto correct. morningfog Apr 2015 #179

It wasn't meant to. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #50

Then the tweet would have sufficed. morningfog Apr 2015 #51

A tweet is only 140 spaces. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #52

I know. morningfog Apr 2015 #53

We will hear her positions soon. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #54

I hope so. It seems she would like to avoid committing to her positions morningfog Apr 2015 #55

She was a private citizen. Now that she is a candidate she is obligated to tell us her views. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #56

You are viewing it with blinders. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #131

So what are her positions on GLBT rights, as set forth in the video? morningfog Apr 2015 #138

We read different stuff. aquart Apr 2015 #162

Some feel elevated enough to dismiss the lives of others for ideology. freshwest Apr 2015 #12

Thank you freshwest. lovemydog Apr 2015 #27

Well said emulatorloo Apr 2015 #87

Awesome! Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #106

She's pandering. Fearless Apr 2015 #14

I'd hate to be so cynical and negative treestar Apr 2015 #17

hear hear. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #146

Bullshit. EVERYONE has "evolved" on this issue. Please, save the negativity. It stinks. RBInMaine Apr 2015 #22

Truth hurts. I don't need to support someone who had to "evolve" to believe I'm equal to them Fearless Apr 2015 #31

So who do you support then? Agschmid Apr 2015 #35

Two seperate points... Fearless Apr 2015 #64

Uh, Warren has "evolved" almost magically. Nice lady. Good Senator. But she's a one-pony libdem4life Apr 2015 #117

Hillary was a Republican Fearless Apr 2015 #123

Uh, a couple of decades does make a difference. Making things up? We're not talking libdem4life Apr 2015 #125

Warren was an adult who tacitly supported ignoring AIDS which was a national health crises.... bettyellen Apr 2015 #157

where did she say that? cite yourself please. Fearless Apr 2015 #160

She was a Reagan Republican for fucks sake! Do the math! bettyellen Apr 2015 #167

Not everyone who voted for Reagan is anti gay Fearless Apr 2015 #169

Everyone who voted for Reagan decided gay lives didn't matter. bettyellen Apr 2015 #170

Not everything is so black and white Fearless Apr 2015 #171

It was a matter of life or countless deaths. Republican voters chose death. bettyellen Apr 2015 #172

The average person did not know Fearless Apr 2015 #173

1980? Try 1986 after almost 20K were dead. Is it "silly" bettyellen Apr 2015 #174

Reagan was not elected in 1986, number one Fearless Apr 2015 #175

He was ignoring it for three years when elected in 84 bettyellen Apr 2015 #180

You understand only from your own points of view Fearless Apr 2015 #181

Perhaps you weren't around. Awareness was high and the "average person" bettyellen Apr 2015 #176

To you fifty million people are evil. That is sad. Fearless Apr 2015 #182

Didn't say that, but they did look the other way as Reagan allowed thousands to die in 84.... bettyellen Apr 2015 #183

So much for being civil. Fearless Apr 2015 #184

Not letting you rewrite history and dismiss AIDs as a silly bettyellen Apr 2015 #185

You have no idea what I said if you think that Fearless Apr 2015 #186

Reagan campaigned against sex- blamed single moms and gays for God's wrath..... bettyellen Apr 2015 #187

Hillary has always liked the gays and believed in equality Capt. Obvious Apr 2015 #134

I agree with this DU'r. Raine1967 Apr 2015 #76

So, you didn't support Obama the first time? lark Apr 2015 #141

seems the worst possible way to look at it, especially for you treestar Apr 2015 #154

Yes, because no other politician has ever pandered to the LGBT communuty justiceischeap Apr 2015 #23

I don't accept and won't accept the lesser of two evils argument. Fearless Apr 2015 #32

My marriage rights depend on it just fyi... Agschmid Apr 2015 #36

Your marriage rights will be enshrined, constitutionally this summer. morningfog Apr 2015 #45

True, by try to order a pizza for my gay wedding and see what happens! Agschmid Apr 2015 #57

Try it. You may be surprised. Fearless Apr 2015 #68

They depend on the Supreme Court actually. Fearless Apr 2015 #67

Who when a seat is vacant are appointed by the President. Agschmid Apr 2015 #72

All the more reason to get a real Democrat elected. Fearless Apr 2015 #75

Boom! goes the dynamite! Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #84

If we don't elect a Democrat we will be fucked BY the Republican Party. riqster Apr 2015 #116

Well, good for you justiceischeap Apr 2015 #38

That's fine. That's what you're going to do and what you believe. Fearless Apr 2015 #70

Day One in office the GOP prez will reinstate the Global Gag Order & roll back gay rights. Hekate Apr 2015 #39

First act of a teahaddist president workinclasszero Apr 2015 #59

It's not pandering, it's acknowledging people. Raine1967 Apr 2015 #24

Only after it became popular Fearless Apr 2015 #33

That's really a bit disingenuous. Raine1967 Apr 2015 #40

Actually that's EXACTLY what she did. Fearless Apr 2015 #71

she isn't, unless you think she is using women and minorities as tools as well. Raine1967 Apr 2015 #79

If she ran a campaign saying that she should be president because she's a woman then yes Fearless Apr 2015 #83

Then I hope there's more and more of this kind of "pandering." n/t pnwmom Apr 2015 #30

You want more and more people to use us as a political weapon? Fearless Apr 2015 #34

Give me a break. This isn't pandering or using gay families as weapons. pnwmom Apr 2015 #65

Polling shows that LGBT issues are going to win over voters now. Fearless Apr 2015 #73

Where is the polling that shows this will help her in the all-important swing states? pnwmom Apr 2015 #77

Here is the data... Fearless Apr 2015 #80

In the primary, you swing to the left to capture the base XemaSab Apr 2015 #89

Bookmarking...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #99

LOL.. Cha Apr 2015 #104

not a big Clinton fan awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #148

But you'll vote for Warren who was a Republican during the Regan era giftedgirl77 Apr 2015 #85

Show me where Warren voiced anti-gay rhetoric. Fearless Apr 2015 #90

The proof is in her voting record & party affiliation giftedgirl77 Apr 2015 #93

Again, show me one source that shows she has ever been anti-LGBT Fearless Apr 2015 #94

Guess you nailed it, she voted for Reagan who at giftedgirl77 Apr 2015 #96

Hillary voted for Bill who signed DOMA and DADT. Your point? Fearless Apr 2015 #97

No, you said HRC was pandering to the LGBTQ community giftedgirl77 Apr 2015 #98

Pretty questionable shit? Fearless Apr 2015 #100

Hillary was a "republican" before she was even eligible giftedgirl77 Apr 2015 #107

In the context of the subthread it is a perfectly valid statement Fearless Apr 2015 #108

They close their eyes, fingers in their ears for that.. mustn't bring up the past of another's Cha Apr 2015 #105

They just want to put blinders on for that whole situation.... giftedgirl77 Apr 2015 #109

I'm so sorry, giftedgirl.. Cha Apr 2015 #110

My thought exactly XemaSab Apr 2015 #47

Pandering? To a group who will likely vote Dem anyway? Sheepshank Apr 2015 #136

Obama changed his opinion awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #145

+1 treestar Apr 2015 #15

I was amazed� and I really like your post. Raine1967 Apr 2015 #20

Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2015 #25

& even a teeny bit of Hispanic stuff!1 Although back when Bill was "fake"-impeached, & UTUSN Apr 2015 #26

Agree, and it... Mike Nelson Apr 2015 #41

Just showed the video to a solid liberal Christian friend. She was ecstatic. freshwest Apr 2015 #159

It's good that she has evolved on marriage equality. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #49

Don't worry, she will tularetom Apr 2015 #62

just a sec....are you saying that every elected official Sheepshank Apr 2015 #139

Are you saying that no candidate should express their own opinion until they find out tularetom Apr 2015 #142

She will, since it will be in the platform. joshcryer Apr 2015 #78

Amazing how far the US has come on that topic oberliner Apr 2015 #60

Marcus Bachmann doesn't count. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #74

DU rec... SidDithers Apr 2015 #92

I think it's OK that it's nothing special. Renew Deal Apr 2015 #95

k&r... spanone Apr 2015 #101

I think you're right and in fact I overlooked that aspect of it myself. ucrdem Apr 2015 #111

but.. but... but... the red arrow! boston bean Apr 2015 #113

I couldn't because I don't recall anyone announcing with a video marym625 Apr 2015 #114

K & R Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #115

Did anyone notice that the very last frame was a guy who gave a little elbow to the guy libdem4life Apr 2015 #119

yes to the LGBT community? Great. No to Unions? Sucks. cali Apr 2015 #120

When images such as that turn up in Cheerio ads, what's the big deal? hedgehog Apr 2015 #122

Thom Hartmann just mentioned this thread Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2015 #124

You will never hear me say anthing like "it is nothing special." nt. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #127

Far as I can remember from past campaigns, this is a first! B Calm Apr 2015 #128

No shit, that video is a STARK contrast of left and right in 2015 America and people better NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #129

Hillary is making a bold statement. Sheepshank Apr 2015 #130

Psst, over here. William769 Apr 2015 #133

Hillary is an absolutely fantastic candidate on social issues. However, Zorra Apr 2015 #143

I live in Los Angeles. Gay couples are my friends and neighbors. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #147

I am glad for you dsc Apr 2015 #149

What state are you in? JDPriestly Apr 2015 #150

NC dsc Apr 2015 #151

That's sad. They are so behind the rest of the country in the South. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #153

all of the following states have no state wide protection for gays dsc Apr 2015 #155

Add Oklahoma. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #163

To me it indicates Hillary will continue the path Obama started still_one Apr 2015 #152

Hill has always been good on most social issues. Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #156

It is amazing when you consider where we were in 2008. greendog Apr 2015 #158

TV: thirtysomething, Will and Grace, Roseanne, Ellen, plenty of folks blazed that trail. IKEA 1994: NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #161

Re-read the post again. Here, I'll provide it FOR you... Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #164

Pandering disgusts me, and that video is nothing but. Jon Stewart nailed it tonight. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #165

Of course, including gays as normal is "pandering." Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #166

Because pandering to straight dudes is not pandering, lol. bettyellen Apr 2015 #168

Not one struggling working-class person or family? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #177