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rury

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176. No it was not clear by the summer of 2007

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 03:25 AM

Apr 2015

Sen. Obama was still trailing Clinton by as much as 30 points in candidate preference polls at that point. She still had her air of "inevitability" at that point and she LOST.
It is still possible for a dark horse candidate to overtake her.

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Do you like America 2015? Then you'll *love* Hillary 2016. [View all] MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 OP

I will take Hillary as president anyday of the week Manny. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #1

So you must like how things have gone the past 20 years. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #2

You should never presume to know my opinion sir. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #4

I can't think of any other scenario that makes sense? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #5

Then you can't think vlyons Apr 2015 #76

The problem Manny is madokie Apr 2015 #82

Compared to what? What it might have been under complete GOP rule? nt kelliekat44 Apr 2015 #165

I don't agree, I am 'of our party' and I am waiting for a more progressive candidate to announce. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #8

The polls say that she is ahead. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #9

Behind several Republicans in some battleground states MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #11

And next week she will be back ahead after the announcement. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #13

And what if she is not? zeemike Apr 2015 #34

Then the opposition to Hillary in our party needs to stop complaining and put up someone. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #37

I expect they will. zeemike Apr 2015 #50

Warren could beat her but she will not run. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #53

Not if he is a stalking horse. zeemike Apr 2015 #54

We disagree on that. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #56

That is not what a stalking horse does. zeemike Apr 2015 #58

i am sorry, your right. I think Sanders will run and be her strongest challenger but won't win. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #64

That's where you are wrong. Smithryee Apr 2015 #79

I doubt it. She will answer your questions when she is a candidate. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #101

and/or aiming to be V.P. until it's "his turn." merrily Apr 2015 #78

Yep that too. zeemike Apr 2015 #96

as the person wanting the job, it is her job to offer more then ops DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #74

She will answer per the consensus of over 200 campaign advisors and merrily Apr 2015 #80

lol, Hillary is the world's expert at not answering tough questions. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #97

No she can't. Once she is a candidate she has to answer. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #100

we must be doing somethign right DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #103

Are you saying she needs her husband to explain things? she can't do it herself? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #106

well, she can prove me wrong DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #108

That is a dodge. You made a comment that she will need her husband toexplain things for her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #110

well, how is that not true? DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #118

So are you saying she can't do this by herself? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #121

I am saying I have not seen her do it DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #168

For your information Hillary is a highly intelligent woman and got to her position hrmjustin Apr 2015 #169

first off DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #170

I doubt we will be comrades. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #171

you do not think DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #172

I wasn't talking about everyone else who does not support her. i was talking about you. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #173

fair enough DonCoquixote Apr 2015 #174

That is fine but after your comments I doubt we will be comrades. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #175

What other Dems have announced they are running, or indicated they are running. And will she refuse sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Apr 2015 #15

Asking you what other Dems are running is talking down to you? You said 'she is ahead in the polls' sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #16

i read it wrong. i will self delete and answer your question. my apologies. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #18

You can't beat Hillary with ops. If you don't want her then get a candidate to run. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #19

Do you know where we might find a billion dollars for another candidate? Would Wall St fund eg, sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #20

Excuses! If they were the nominee they would have to take money from Wall Street to win. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #21

Even Obama took money from JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, etc. joshcryer Apr 2015 #31

Agreed! I love how it is Hillary's fault that she can raise a lot of money. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #33

Why do you think Wall St loves her so much? Do you think Wall St would give Warren so much money? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #59

And I "love it" that those who support her seem to LOVE a system that has money determine who runs.. cascadiance Apr 2015 #142

You should not presume to know my opinion. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #143

Well Hillary seems to thrive in this system and doesn't want to take it down at all... cascadiance Apr 2015 #145

Realistically to change the system you will need a constitutional amendment. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #148

"Even Obama" LOL! merrily Apr 2015 #81

Obama got far more from millions of small contributors mylye2222 Apr 2015 #86

I don't think that is accurate, especially if you think about "soft money," where the biggest merrily Apr 2015 #87

LOL! joshcryer Apr 2015 #94

And THAT is why they are owned in such a way that promotes voter apathy and disaffection! cascadiance Apr 2015 #147

The system is what it is. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #149

Thanks to Republicans and corporate Democrats that have corrupted it! cascadiance Apr 2015 #153

Well i wish you well with your candidate. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #154

At this point in 2007 the polls said she was ahead for 2008 rury Apr 2015 #39

At this point in 2007 it was clear she had strong opposition. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #42

I disagree davidpdx Apr 2015 #60

Obama caught fire by the summer and announced before hillary. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #63

No. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #70

I meant the summer of 2007. His numbers got better after the Jefferson Jackson dinner in Iowa. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #71

His chances improved, but he was still a long shot going into the fall which is where it started to davidpdx Apr 2015 #161

The JJD was the start of his rise in the Iowa polls. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #162

No it was not CLEAR at this point in 2007 that she had strong oppostion. rury Apr 2015 #127

It was clear by the summer of 2007. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #128

Uh... NO, it wasn't. Not until this time a year later in that election... cascadiance Apr 2015 #131

You are looking at national polls. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #132

Yes he did, but Iowa is one state davidpdx Apr 2015 #163

Iowa is the state that starts people off. it was a big moment. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #164

Yeah it was, I remember it davidpdx Apr 2015 #166

I am all for campaign finance reform. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #167

No it was not clear by the summer of 2007 rury Apr 2015 #176

In Iowa he started making headway in the summer. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #178

Then why isn't she president now? cascadiance Apr 2015 #129

Be ause a strong candidate was also in the race and won. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #130

Translated... "A candidate promising hope and change" won... cascadiance Apr 2015 #133

Warren is not running. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #134

*Now*.... Just like Obama was many times "not running" THEN! cascadiance Apr 2015 #135

Warren is not running. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #136

If it won't happen why do you all continue to note this? cascadiance Apr 2015 #138

I note this because Warren has pointed this out countless times. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #139

And the press keeps hounding her for an answer... cascadiance Apr 2015 #140

Warren is still not running. if she did run it would be competitive race but... hrmjustin Apr 2015 #141

And you continue to remind us of this, even if you think it's not worth worrying about... cascadiance Apr 2015 #144

Oh I would worry if she did run but... hrmjustin Apr 2015 #146

+1000000 n/t MissDeeds Apr 2015 #107

many of us don't marym625 Apr 2015 #119

Many more do and I agree there will be a primary. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #122

I guess we'll see marym625 Apr 2015 #124

I don't agree. 840high Apr 2015 #158

ok. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #159

Manny, you're a Putin Lover! Lol! sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #3

Boot licker. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #6

Boot licker, well at least that isn't one of the old right wing 'insults' against Dems that have now sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #10

I never 'got' the bootlicking thing. Dirty socks and sucking on toes, perhaps but licking boots Purveyor Apr 2015 #38

n/t blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #7

Somewhat accurate characterization. joshcryer Apr 2015 #12

During most of the Bush years, she was a Senator from NY MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #17

And during her time as a Senator from NY, my state, she continued to support the funding of Bush's sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #22

most people blame Bush for the war which is why Hillary has so much support now JI7 Apr 2015 #23

Yes, Bush was invading anyway. joshcryer Apr 2015 #35

"she took a leadership position in urging her fellow Democrats to vote for it." malokvale77 Apr 2015 #25

Well, she had a liberal voting record. joshcryer Apr 2015 #26

No. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #27

I would not say that free trade counts more than LGBT rights. joshcryer Apr 2015 #29

I love how 90 percent doesn't count. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #30

Would you agree that votes to start the Iraq War, or to @#$% MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #43

What stance did she take on LGBT issues MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #32

What stance did she take after the majority of Americans? joshcryer Apr 2015 #41

Marriage equality. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #44

Your post #27 was about votes, Manny. joshcryer Apr 2015 #51

She is just fine on LGBT issues. you're reaching here and it shows. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #57

Secretary Clinton's Historic Speech on LGBT Human Rights - "Gay rights are human rights" sheshe2 Apr 2015 #69

Doesn't "really count" sheshe2. joshcryer Apr 2015 #73

"She has evolved" = the wind became so strong she could no longer fight/ignore it Doctor_J Apr 2015 #126

In the 90s....she refused to fire her openly gay COS, even after Republican msanthrope Apr 2015 #55

Hillary is inevitable. It's time to get on board and stop tearing down the nominee. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #24

The Hillary years will be more war war and less jaw jaw leveymg Apr 2015 #28

Why do people attribute godlike powers to her? Senator and SOS does NOT equal god. McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #36

OK. So what are a few specific things Hillary's accomplished MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #40

You have got to be kidding?? Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #72

Well sir, 99Forever Apr 2015 #92

She voted for funding Ming's war on the universe? L0oniX Apr 2015 #151

Right on. n/t zentrum Apr 2015 #45

actually I am loving 2015! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #46

AGREED! Dpm12 Apr 2015 #52

Dpm! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #62

Well played! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #65

Lol~ Thanks. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #66

Good or Bad, I wondered about 2015... Stellar Apr 2015 #83

Plus going to Jamaica and the Bob Marley Museum treestar Apr 2015 #112

+1000! zappaman Apr 2015 #115

pretending to be morally pure. stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #47

I hope Al Gore or Jerry Brown run Dpm12 Apr 2015 #48

Frankly, she should not run. She should just go away! akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #49

Why did he make her Secretary Of State then? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #123

Beats the heck out of America 2001-2008, and that's the alternative. ucrdem Apr 2015 #61

What the hell is your 'deal', Manny? randome Apr 2015 #67

Negative works better. That's why almost every politician out there goes negative too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #88

No, to a 'public forum' standard since his 'campaign' is solely to express his personal distaste. randome Apr 2015 #89

Well... Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #99

And only one agenda emulatorloo Apr 2015 #109

The 'end game' I see is that Manny wants a different Dem nominee than Hillary. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #125

trouble is there aren't two or more sides in this primary yet treestar Apr 2015 #113

Exactly. Andy823 Apr 2015 #102

and i'll bet you don't include limbaugh in that handful certainot Apr 2015 #68

The main problem with America 2015 is.. DCBob Apr 2015 #75

Sounds 100% better than us having another republican recession! Go Hillary! B Calm Apr 2015 #77

I think you're giving her waaaaay too much credit tularetom Apr 2015 #84

Better believe it!...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #85

Gotta love our Ivy League friend. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #98

I would appreciate more building up of a viable alternative to Hillary and... Tom Rinaldo Apr 2015 #90

I like Hillary. Problem is we can't afford more of the same. Autumn Apr 2015 #91

She cannot unite the party fadedrose Apr 2015 #93

It's going to be a campaign ...for who gets the most campaign money. L0oniX Apr 2015 #152

Personally... 99Forever Apr 2015 #95

Yeah a president cruz and VP walker who be so much better eh? workinclasszero Apr 2015 #104

It's better than 2008... SidDithers Apr 2015 #105

Yet another thread on it? treestar Apr 2015 #111

The number of "Hillary Bad" OPs is about to go up significantly. JoePhilly Apr 2015 #114

Ah.. the year the Supreme Court is going to validate marriage equality? brooklynite Apr 2015 #116

Don't give up the ship, Manny! Until the Electoral College votes... brooklynite Apr 2015 #117

K&R marym625 Apr 2015 #120

I cannot find an equivalent candidate that could beat her. Rex Apr 2015 #137

... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #155

I can't wait for all her implied campaign promises to ...ooops sorry ...can't do ...war time. L0oniX Apr 2015 #150

How ironic that Bill Clinton's 1996 campaign slogan was "Building a bridge to the 21st century". BlueStater Apr 2015 #156

+1 840high Apr 2015 #160

is there anyone selling anything else? Depaysement Apr 2015 #157

This is one of your dumber threads. PBass Apr 2015 #177