Just to beat my head against a wall one more time, yes, bigotry against Islam is racism.

[Shoulders of Giants]

80. You're simply wrong.

Islam is a religion, like Christianity, based on a holy book full of anti women, anti gay, and even anti human nonsense. However, does that mean I believe all Muslims are anti women, anti gay, or anti human. Of course not. And to be fair, the Bible has as much wrong with it as well, but all Christians aren't anti women, anti gay, and anti human. The only real difference between most Christian and Muslim majority countries is that most Christian countries are secular. Meaning the values you see in USA (I'm excluding the deep south here), Canada, Australia, UK, etc are not "Christian Values" but secular values. If you want to see "Christian Values", go back to the dark ages. There is a reason its called the dark ages after all.

You said "You said "But saying "Muslims follow a violent, sexist (insert insult) religion" is racist, because it attacks all Muslims by implying they are united in a single negative mindset, and makes unsupportable generalizations about them based on their common grouping."

I absolutely believe that Islam, if followed correctly is violent and sexist, because the Koran commands you to be violent and sexist. Simply being able to read a book doesn't make me a racist. I also believe the same thing about Christianity, because I have read the Bible, and it is violent and sexist as well. By your logic, I am racist against white Americans, despite being a white American. However, this doesn't mean I believe all Muslims and Christians are violent and sexist. Secularism and lack of actually following the commands of the religions stops this behavior.


Right now, many Islam countries are still in their "dark ages" because they haven't embraced secularism enough (there are some exceptions though). This isn't about whose "holy book" is better. This is about putting away the holy book for the advancement of society. Even though the majority of the people in the west call themselves "Christian," they became secular without realizing it. I'll be honest and say I'd wish religion in general would just disappear. Not through force, but I'd wish people would just move away from it. However, I'm a realist and realize that won't happen anytime soon. So secularism is second best. And Islam needs secularism right now like no other religion.

You said " And when I learn that 2 billion people see the world differently than I do, I don't think "How can they be so wrong?I think, "What am I missing about what they are saying?"

This is little more than an appeal to majority fallacy. Absolutely 2 billion people can be wrong. To be fair, much of that 2 billion aren't actual believers. They pretend to be because of societal pressures or even force. Same with Christianity. Same with any religion in regards to the majority or family religion. Too few people realize this fact.

However, I believe the people who truly believe in Islam are simply wrong. I also believe Christians are wrong on their religion. Does that make any of them bad people? Of course not. They can still be intelligent on other matters and be decent people. Also, both Christians and Muslims can be secular. And it doesn't mean they are wrong on other items in their lives.

So therefore, it is possible to attack a religion without attacking the people. And none of this is racist. If you see anything I posted as racism, that's on you not me. Just because I believe a belief system is wrong that most people who follow are a different skin color than me follow, doesn't make me a racist. As you notice, I tend to believe belief systems followed by people of my skin color is wrong as well.

And for the record, simply posting quotes from experts is not a defense of your position. Experts can be wrong. You need to come to your own conclusions.