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NuclearDem

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Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:58 AM
Apr 2015
How is what they are protesting impacting you personally and your survival in any way, regardless of how you label it? It seems any perceived "set back" in life if no telescope was built there, or if feedback be permitted by the people native to there, would somehow result in something devastating to your existence. And as such, this somehow justifies the use denigrating terms to express the disagreement.


Because nobody on earth has wanted answers to questions like "how did all of this begin" or "are we alone in the universe."

Imagine that. If you want "clear weather", I have personally (maybe not here on DU) promoted putting a telescope on the far side of the moon or in a geostationary orbit of the sun beyond the moon, and you eliminate the atmospheric distortions.


Maintenance.

It's either a short drive up a mountain or a multimillion dollar mission to the moon or orbit around the sun to repair and maintain the telescope.

As an example, Lake Nyos in Cameron, where local folklore had warned against going near the place,
yet not heeding it in later times, resulted in the deaths of over 1700 because of what was found as a natural phenomena that periodically released CO2 in the atmosphere, and in the lake (literally causing the lake to acidify as well).


I have no idea why you think this is relevant to Mauna Kea, but thanks for citing an example where local superstition was explained by evil Western knowledge about Vulcanism and tectonics.

Man, you sure showed us "Western science" types.

Fuck it, I'm done. This shit is why this country can't have nice things.

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Science takes another backseat to Superstition. How sad. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #1
No, a people's sovereignty and rights just took precedence for once. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #46
If you say so. cleanhippie Apr 2015 #49
Superstitious rubes blocking progress... SidDithers Apr 2015 #2
Number 13 got someone upset? hobbit709 Apr 2015 #3
Number 13? ellisonz Apr 2015 #6
There's 12 telescopes up there now in case you hadn't noticed. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #7
My bad. ellisonz Apr 2015 #8
k&r! nt bananas Apr 2015 #4
Promote ignorance! Sign the petition. longship Apr 2015 #5
Moratorium Extended! ellisonz Apr 2015 #9
Oh, this Dark Ages bullshit is still going on? NuclearDem Apr 2015 #10
so preserving native cultures is dark ages bullshit is it? liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #11
Pretty much the definition of it Egnever Apr 2015 #17
It's a telescope, not a pipeline. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #19
White privilige and hegemony BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #20
OFFS. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #21
I love science too. I am going to school for molecular biology. Science is supposed to help liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #22
I'm no luddite either. ellisonz Apr 2015 #30
+1 ellisonz Apr 2015 #29
What. Utter. Horseshit. Rosco T. Apr 2015 #39
No - it's to show analogies about what was once pushed as "science" BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #40
Alright, so for those keeping score at home... NuclearDem Apr 2015 #41
And your comparisons of this situation to pipelines BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #42
... NuclearDem Apr 2015 #44
You continue to force your perspective BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #45
.... NuclearDem Apr 2015 #48
Sometimes BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #50
If you want to stick with astronomy, what about all the debris in orbit right now? Rosco T. Apr 2015 #51
You apparently completely missed the point of the analogy. nt BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #54
You're missing the point. ellisonz Apr 2015 #53
How does the telescope infringe upon it in any way? Oktober Apr 2015 #24
'superstitious rubes' bigtree Apr 2015 #52
nice picture ellisonz. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #12
K&R closeupready Apr 2015 #13
I support the building of the telescope. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #14
Thanks for keeping us apprised, Ellison. Building that shrine brought tears to my eyes.... Hekate Apr 2015 #15
You are very welcome. ellisonz Apr 2015 #31
Kaulana Na Pua by the Kulaeana Project tells those with ears to hear a lot about Hawaiian struggles Hekate Apr 2015 #16
It is no small miracle that Hawaiian culture is once again thriving in Hawai'i. ellisonz Apr 2015 #32
teaching the language to keikis was perhaps the biggest sign of rebirth ever Hekate Apr 2015 #33
Absolutely ellisonz Apr 2015 #35
Just think of all the humans it will displace seveneyes Apr 2015 #18
Ridiculous... RealityAdvocate Apr 2015 #23
Hey, all you DUers who think the native Hawai'ians do Dark Ages Bullshit... Hekate Apr 2015 #25
Nope. NuclearDem Apr 2015 #26
What NuclearDem said. Nobody lives up there except a made-up ridiculous Shrimp-God or... BlueJazz Apr 2015 #28
This. TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2015 #43
It's their land, their LANDSCAPE. They see it as worth preserving. That you dismiss this so easily KittyWampus Apr 2015 #47
Science is for all jberryhill Apr 2015 #27
You are trying really hard to make it about race... Oktober Apr 2015 #37
Mauna Kea Protectors Parade at Merrie Monarch ellisonz Apr 2015 #34
+10000 Hekate Apr 2015 #36
How can Luddites use the internet to organize? Rosco T. Apr 2015 #38
Ya! Superstition wins again! Adrahil Apr 2015 #55
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