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Jim Lane

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44. I'm optimistically disagreeing with your prediction.

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:30 PM

Apr 2015

You write: "There is unfortunately a very good chance that no serious challenge will be made, now that Hillary Clinton has announced her candidacy."

I think O'Malley will almost certainly run. Maybe he'll crater early and never even rise to the level of "serious challenge" but I think that's unlikely.

Sanders is a more difficult case to assess. He may well run but draw only Kucinich-type numbers, in the polls and then in the voting (i.e., < 5% in most or all the statewide contests). He might also draw more votes but still not be seen as a serious contender for the nomination.

As for Chafee and Webb, they're both far behind O'Malley and Sanders in preparing for a race. Also, neither has an immediate and obvious base of support within the party, that might catapult a candidacy the way antiwar voters did for a little-known George McGovern in 1972. As to them, therefore, I agree with your prediction.

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The First Democratc Candidate has entered the Race. Who will be the next & who should s/he/they be? [View all] sabrina 1 Apr 2015 OP

Would be very happy with any of your choices..... daleanime Apr 2015 #1

It's the fault of the people imo. We can't get what we want if we don't try. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #2

with the way campaigns are financed awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #36

I wonder what would happen if every Democrat refused to take Wall St/Koch money? What if they sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #54

I wish they had the brass to do it awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #57

Isn't Webb already in it? Hillary is second or so I thought yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #53

I don't know, haven't heard anything about him announcing he is running. If he is, that would be a sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #55

Thanks. I could be wrong but I thought he announced. yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #56

Okay, I found that he was the first to launch an exploratory committee in November last year. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #59

Thanks! Look forward to him announcing yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #60

I would love for Russ to run! ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #3

He's going on listening sessions throughout WI, I think he's considering getting his seat back. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #39

That is sooo good to hear. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #41

He is going to run for the Senate, which is great news, imo. I would like him as president, however sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #61

That's not a definite yet. I sure hope he does. We done fucked up when we lost him. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #62

You're right, I thought he had decided, but it does look hopeful: sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #65

Barbara Lee has been there. Octafish Apr 2015 #4

She's tough and fearless, AND honest, trusthworthy and when she says something, I sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #5

The concentration of money and what it buys makes democracy a game for the rich. Octafish Apr 2015 #29

That is a great cartoon! It is a monstrous game. We have so many good Democrats who would make sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #58

As a form of government, democracy means every citizen voting on everything. Our ills come from merrily Apr 2015 #115

Vermin Supreme zappaman Apr 2015 #6

Is he a Democrat? That's all I want to know. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #7

Yup. n/t zappaman Apr 2015 #10

Yes, but what about the rent? DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #21

it's too damn high awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #37

... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #38

K & R. I would vote for any one of them in a NYC heartbeat. merrily Apr 2015 #8

Mike Capuano! Yes, he is a great progressive Dem. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #14

Yes, he did. But, such support as came from the Party in the primary went to merrily Apr 2015 #19

I remember that race very well. That was when I became disgusted with the Party leadership for sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #75

Julian Castro is my favorite up and comer - TBF Apr 2015 #9

They've met KamaAina Apr 2015 #12

i love Julian! ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #15

No doubt. It might be him or O'Malley. merrily Apr 2015 #20

Yes, he is another good Democrat. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #22

I realy like Feingold. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #11

I've always respected Feingold. The good news is, he IS running for the Senate. Definitely planning sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #16

Markey and Warren will be in those Senate seats as long as they want to be. merrily Apr 2015 #23

That's good to know. Now we need to add more Progressive Dems to the Senate and Congress. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #85

Lee Mercer, Jr. KamaAina Apr 2015 #13

He has an 'exciting' platform! sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #64

Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2015 #17

Plus, a primary forces candidates to prove themselves, and to earn our vote arcane1 Apr 2015 #27

Great point. H2O Man Apr 2015 #35

the party's designed to 1. take money and 2. keep taking money: allowing in candidates who MisterP Apr 2015 #32

Well said! H2O Man Apr 2015 #42

Kerry Kennedy, not Sandra Lee, right? MisterP Apr 2015 #76

I'm optimistically disagreeing with your prediction. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #44

I hope that you're right! H2O Man Apr 2015 #52

These are not the drones you're looking for merrily Apr 2015 #145

Sanders could run as an Independent. That is now the largest voting bloc. Over 40% of registered sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #67

Sanders has all but completely ruled out that possibility. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #74

Then the Dem Party should enlist him. He is a great Democrat even if he isn't sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #82

Excellent post. And Primaries are good for Democracy. We certainly don't want to turn into one of sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #84

Sherrod Brown talks about economic issues in a real way DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #18

A challenge to Hillary from the left is the last thing the merrily Apr 2015 #26

I didn't mean to imply that it was what she wanted. DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #30

I didn't think you had implied that. merrily Apr 2015 #31

Sherrod brown would make a great candidate. I have been reading and listening to him sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #92

It's sad that we don't have more Dems and candidates who are like the above LeftInTX Apr 2015 #24

"No one seems to want to run." The Party seems to have decided that primaries are merrily Apr 2015 #25

Why would anyone want to be president? Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #98

Then why does the Party have to bother discouraging/avoiding primaries? merrily Apr 2015 #103

Maybe because no one has stepped up who's as big of a power player as Hillary? Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #106

That is not the answer to "Why does the Party have to discourage primaries?" merrily Apr 2015 #108

It's also convenient to ignore who actually ran in 2008... Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #112

Also not an answer to "Why does the Party have to discourage primaries." merrily Apr 2015 #114

How are they discouraging primaries? Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #117

Anyone can win an election IF their party gets behind them. Losing one race has not been a deterrent sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #110

We are not getting fewer and fewer choices. Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #111

Ted Kennedy ran against an incumbent. Hillary is not an incumbent. Besides attributing Carter's merrily Apr 2015 #113

I don't know if carter would have defeated Reagan without a primary. Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #118

Yet Hillary continuing to run in 2008 with no chance of winning supposedly helped Obama. merrily Apr 2015 #119

Well I disagreed with that and it's big reason I am not a fan of Hillary. Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #120

I disagree that about the alleged reason that people are not lining up. merrily Apr 2015 #122

Why didn't they line up in 1992 or 2000? Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #124

The process of discouraging primaries did not come about in five minutes. It's been in the works merrily Apr 2015 #125

Before McGovern, there were not traditional primaries like we have today. Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #131

What? No primaries? How far back are you going? John Adams? merrily Apr 2015 #132

I never said no primaries... Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #143

Per the last two lines of my Reply 22, I am not going to read your post at this point. merrily Apr 2015 #144

P.S. I don't see the 1992 field at all the way I see the 2016 field (as we know it so far, anyway). merrily Apr 2015 #126

I suppose a half-dozen editorials do indeed, speak for the entire Democratic party. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #121

Hah? Direct quotes from Schumer, Frank and Brown are not editorials. merrily Apr 2015 #123

I think we have reached a point where they, those in power, have achieved their goal. Only Wall St sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #34

When did she tell anyone to shut up and sit down? merrily Apr 2015 #47

Don't remember any of them telling us our ideas are 'retarded' either. They seem to agree with us sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #80

We'd need to raise much $$$$, unite and organize. Raising first dollars, without seed money or merrily Apr 2015 #107

Those are all great choices!! arcane1 Apr 2015 #28

I love your choices. Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #33

Thank you and I would like anyone to tell me why any one of them could not run and win if the sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #86

I'm especially fond of Sherrod Brown. Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #87

I prefer Feingold for SCOTUS rather than POTUS. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #40

How likely is it that a New Dem POTUS will appoint anyone like Feingold? merrily Apr 2015 #45

Far more likely than any Republican, that's for sure. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #46

Equally unlikely, IMO. merrily Apr 2015 #48

I very much disagree. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #49

okay. merrily Apr 2015 #50

I think O'Malley will be next in, followed by Castro and Sanders. MerryBlooms Apr 2015 #43

Best thread all day, IMO, sabrina 1. Thank you. merrily Apr 2015 #51

Barbara Lee or Bernie Sanders JEB Apr 2015 #63

I find it strange that the Dem Party would NOT want Barbara Lee to run. Maybe SHE doesn't want to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #70

She's great. JEB Apr 2015 #88

President and VP, either way. n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #93

With leaders like that JEB Apr 2015 #94

The 1% has already picked the next POTUS. Didn't you know? L0oniX Apr 2015 #66

Lol, but there are more of us than there are of them! It's still a Democracy no? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #68

Well, it's got all the trappings of a democracy Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #72

Lol, true, but logos don't make people's lives better. Good policies, strong leadership, less sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #77

Logos usually don't get my attention Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #78

It problably doesn't mean anything, just subliminal! Lol, like those ads that are sending sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #79

You've got a good list of principles Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #81

Thank you. I feel unwelcome in the Dem Party over the past few years. There was a lot of talk sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #95

I sometimes feel like Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #97

That's a perfect way of putting it. 'Do as I say, don't do as I do'. Reminds me of the NJ sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #99

I still can't get over how those New Jersey "Dems" Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #100

Yes ...but the 1% own the voting machines. L0oniX Apr 2015 #73

That looks like a pretty good lineup Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #69

Bernie... kentuck Apr 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Apr 2015 #83

I share your dream! Barbara Lee is my number one choice, too. Dems to Win Apr 2015 #89

She has a perfect record on the issues, especially on being smart enough and courageous enough to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #91

I would be thrilled LWolf Apr 2015 #90

I would too, thank you n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #96

The ones you named, plus Robert Reich, Al Gore dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #101

I didn't know Reich had talked about running. I like him, he is very good on economic issues, the sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #102

Reich recently ran his flag up the flagpole dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #105

Interesting. Reich running would be great. But it's interesting to read this because recently he sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #134

I read the recent "complimentary" article differently dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #139

You may be right. I knew he was critical of the Clintons on policies, so when I read that article sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #140

I would love to see more posts like this, and from DU admins. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #104

The way I see it, nothing is ever a done deal. Especially in politics. What I am afraid of is that sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #109

Did you ever really think that DU -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #137

Great picks, sabrina... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #116

Someone in the thread suggested Bernie and Barbara Lee, either way. I liked that a lot. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #128

No problem with any of your picks. xfundy Apr 2015 #127

Al Franken, that is another great choice. I only put up a few I thought of right off the bat because sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #129

Al Gore. Gavin Newsom. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #130

Gavin Newsom, that is another good pick. Someone else mentioned Al Gore also. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #133

No to Newsom. Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #136

I didn't like him so much as SF mayor, either. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #138

Sorry about that. Thanks for the information about him. I had a positive image of him, probably sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #141

I would say "yes" to any of your choices -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #135

'I want as many good nominees as possible, offering as many voices as we can get'. Yes, sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #142