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bhikkhu

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18. You miss the point. No deal=no wolves
Sat May 5, 2012, 11:29 PM
May 2012

If you lived where I live, you'd understand. If you can't get some kind of compromise that at least gains people's grudging compliance, the wolves are finished in a few years. They aren't hard to hunt and kill, as was well proved in the past century.

Its easy to say you'll just ramp up game enforcement and so forth, but again, if you lived where I live and talked to the people I know, that doesn't help the wolves. Unless the laws are seen as at least partially or arguably just, they aren't going to be followed.

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Hard to imagine that there isn't room for more than 150 wolves in Idaho. postulater May 2012 #1
So long as there's one teabagger in Idaho, there won't be room for even one wolf here jmowreader May 2012 #11
The west is full of wolf-haters, regardless of Obama or the Interior Secretary bhikkhu May 2012 #2
All the more reason not to have cut a deal with them. villager May 2012 #14
You miss the point. No deal=no wolves bhikkhu May 2012 #18
Damn, we'd better get rid of all environmental laws, then, lest we piss off the destroyers! villager May 2012 #94
Compromise is how you get opponents to meet you halfway bhikkhu May 2012 #97
It was Salazar's decision to remove Endangered Species Act protection for wolves G_j May 2012 #102
The US Fish and Wildlife Service is not one guy bhikkhu May 2012 #135
I also received the info from Defenders of Wildlife life long demo May 2012 #3
for me, it was the selection of Salazar-the-rancher for Interior that signaled "business as usual" villager May 2012 #16
Ditto! burrowowl May 2012 #19
Yup. truebrit71 May 2012 #110
Are any of these top-level officials ever held accountable? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #4
Tragic... Ron Obvious May 2012 #5
I'm sorry, but wolves ARE a predatory species. LAGC May 2012 #6
You're the invasive species. SolutionisSolidarity May 2012 #8
Look, I appreciate that you think all life is sacred... LAGC May 2012 #10
wow! i strongly urge some serious soul searching. tomp May 2012 #41
"dominion over the earth"? IDemo May 2012 #43
Humans do not have "dominion" over anything. MineralMan May 2012 #45
Why don't we just wipe out all wild life? This way human profiteers would not have anything more sabrina 1 May 2012 #53
I wasn't aware that Polar Bears or Tigers or Lions were a nuissance to anyone. LAGC May 2012 #58
You haven't been paying attention. sabrina 1 May 2012 #59
Well, you're absolutely right about that. LAGC May 2012 #61
Tigers and lions kill many more people in one year geek tragedy May 2012 #65
I'm sure if local ranchers had as big of problem with tigers and lions... LAGC May 2012 #68
Are you opposed to the Endangered Species Act? ellisonz May 2012 #95
You didn't know polar bears, tigers, lions are a nuisance to anyone? uppityperson May 2012 #66
You can't possibly be serious. Marr May 2012 #98
I assume you're a hunter gatherer 4th law of robotics May 2012 #150
I'm not sure where I said I wasn't. SolutionisSolidarity May 2012 #164
You don't speak for people who live in the west _ed_ May 2012 #12
The hell I don't. LAGC May 2012 #13
I live in the west and I find your views very disturbing panader0 May 2012 #77
Yes, wolves are magnificent creatures. LAGC May 2012 #78
They belong in a zoo? RetroLounge May 2012 #79
Hey, if you want them in your backyard... LAGC May 2012 #80
By slaughtering them? truebrit71 May 2012 #111
Wow, DU is filled with idiots, isn't it? RetroLounge May 2012 #166
A fucking zoo? _ed_ May 2012 #139
Oh, we're engaging nature on her terms, alright. Predator vs. Predator. LAGC May 2012 #140
Conflicted on this Rittermeister May 2012 #83
+1 Johnny Rico May 2012 #85
Ranchers get compensated for any wolf-losses. truebrit71 May 2012 #112
Because they kill their property Rittermeister May 2012 #132
Utter nonsense _ed_ May 2012 #138
Bullshit _ed_ May 2012 #137
I feel literally sick G_j May 2012 #15
You probably never WILL hear a liberal person say something like that, either. Judi Lynn May 2012 #24
What a disgusting, horrific post. Welfare ranchers with invasive cow species are destroying villager May 2012 #17
next up coyotes... ileus May 2012 #81
Hey, ileus! Glad to see you posting outside of the Gungeon! LAGC May 2012 #86
actually, one reason coyote populations have expanded is because we killed off the wolves villager May 2012 #93
Dude... ellisonz May 2012 #21
See post #31. (n/t) LAGC May 2012 #35
This is the worst thing I've read on DU. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #22
The reason kudzu is considered an invasive species is because it did not originally come Jamastiene May 2012 #27
Wolves were artificially REINTRODUCED into Idaho. LAGC May 2012 #31
i may be missing something but I don't see where it's said they died off naturally. Kaleva May 2012 #34
Yet we somehow managed without them for 70 years before they were artificially brought back? LAGC May 2012 #37
Humans can do fine without the wolves but other species of animals and plants suffered. Kaleva May 2012 #40
Please don't leave out that elk arrived here by train as well IDemo May 2012 #38
Very true. LAGC May 2012 #39
Didn't large wildfires in the early 1900's create a suitable habitat for elk to move into. Kaleva May 2012 #42
Whether the habitat was altered by fire or not, the elk herd was introduced by man IDemo May 2012 #44
Can you provide links to sites that support your claim? Kaleva May 2012 #47
Correction - the elk population at that time was in the panhandle and the eastern part of the state IDemo May 2012 #49
Okay. Thanks! Kaleva May 2012 #50
Wrong. ellisonz May 2012 #52
I concede, you are correct. LAGC May 2012 #57
It's not about us... ellisonz May 2012 #62
They died off "naturally" by getting in the way of bullets? uppityperson May 2012 #67
Homicide rate in US would plummet if all victims were listed as dieing of natural causes. Kaleva May 2012 #72
Wolves are not the invasive species in this situation. nt redqueen May 2012 #29
See post #31. (n/t) LAGC May 2012 #32
Where is the evidence that they died off naturally? nt redqueen May 2012 #33
They didn't. He "mis-spoke".. truebrit71 May 2012 #114
What a load of shit...wolves are native to that area...not invasive... joeybee12 May 2012 #46
I am an Idahoan Vanje May 2012 #48
You've got to admit though that most Idahoans aren't that sympathetic to the wolf problem. LAGC May 2012 #51
Is your name..... Vanje May 2012 #73
I actually thought Walt was a pretty decent guy. LAGC May 2012 #75
That's what I thought. This is about party politics for you, and that's all. /nt Marr May 2012 #99
Yeah, fuck those wolves for killing animals the we want to kill. flvegan May 2012 #55
"It's really no different than other invasive species..." Rob H. May 2012 #60
"Their devastation to live-stock and wild game populations cannot be understated." Rob H. May 2012 #63
Thanks for posting. Smilo May 2012 #70
Well Said! Bryn May 2012 #104
I don't want to see majestic wolves to die off Bryn May 2012 #101
Good lord. tabasco May 2012 #136
Your post looks as horrible now as it did then. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #167
Thanks for your concern. (n/t) LAGC Jan 2013 #168
Another sad tragedy, MadHound May 2012 #7
Exactly as predicted. K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #9
Obama is a liberal. UnrepentantLiberal May 2012 #20
Where I live in Upper Michigan, people shoot wolves on sight. Kaleva May 2012 #23
It's a filthy shame they aren't more decent than that. n/t Judi Lynn May 2012 #25
Even Dems in local office argue for the state to control the wolf population. Kaleva May 2012 #26
Are they bordering endangered or so numerous they simply must be culled? redqueen May 2012 #30
What defines "endangered" is a matter of contention. Kaleva May 2012 #36
Do they shoot them from the air, like Sarah Palin? sabrina 1 May 2012 #54
No. Sarah Palin has NEVER been right about anything unless it was a mistake. truebrit71 May 2012 #115
Well, that was my point. The 'left' was totally for protection of wolves sabrina 1 May 2012 #125
My condolences to the decent folks in upper Michigan. flvegan May 2012 #56
No shit... truebrit71 May 2012 #116
Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2012 #28
Perhaps you could explain why the 2000 de-listing of the wolf Cerridwen May 2012 #64
wolves are almost as dangerous as humans! G_j May 2012 #71
I think I was going for cynical...maybe bitter... Cerridwen May 2012 #82
It's "sad" that we've moved into the territory of wolves? Johnny Rico May 2012 #84
Some species are able to co-exist. Cerridwen May 2012 #88
We don't need high-powered rifles from helicopters. Spears and bows & arrows are quite sufficient. Johnny Rico May 2012 #89
Obama and Salazar are bad news Boudica the Lyoness May 2012 #69
Wolves...like any wild animals...are renewable resources which need to be managed. Johnny Rico May 2012 #74
Letting nature take it's course could be brutal. Kaleva May 2012 #76
I didn't read the letter as "mawkish sentimentality" G_j May 2012 #90
I'm speaking of some of the posts in this thread, not the letter in the OP. Johnny Rico May 2012 #91
The only "mawkish sentimentality" I see in this thread... ellisonz May 2012 #96
Here ya go. Johnny Rico May 2012 #113
Are you claiming that's photoshopped? ellisonz May 2012 #128
I never made any such claim. I will assert that it's cherry-picked to make wolves look adorable. Johnny Rico May 2012 #142
No -- not every other species on earth is a "renewable" "resource" for Lord God Man. villager May 2012 #92
The entire biosphere itself is about to die? Really? Johnny Rico May 2012 #105
... ellisonz May 2012 #107
Please don't introduce facts...it disturbs the denial hyperbole.. truebrit71 May 2012 #118
I'm sure our canned hunt fan understands just how much we've lost and what it is still at risk. ellisonz May 2012 #120
I love science. Best tool ever invented to investigate and utilize the universe. Johnny Rico May 2012 #124
You're putting economic interest above science in supporting wolf-kills. ellisonz May 2012 #127
Yes. You're incorrect. Johnny Rico May 2012 #141
You're doing an incredible job of talking out of both sides of your mouth. ellisonz May 2012 #146
On the contrary. Johnny Rico May 2012 #151
How will overfishing sterilize the entire planet? Please elaborate. Johnny Rico May 2012 #123
Isn't it funny how the term "fully exploited" is used instead of "fully utilized". Johnny Rico May 2012 #122
You have a very simplistic view. ellisonz May 2012 #126
I prefer to use the actual definitions of words. Johnny Rico May 2012 #143
Except the Earth isn't a statue... ellisonz May 2012 #147
The assertion was made the the biosphere was on the verge of destruction. Johnny Rico May 2012 #152
The Earth is not an inanimate object! ellisonz May 2012 #154
I agree. The biosphere is animate. So what? Johnny Rico May 2012 #157
You can't compare an orange and a stone. ellisonz May 2012 #158
Given that *millions* of species have gone extinct in the last 4 billion years, Johnny Rico May 2012 #159
And that would be correct... ellisonz May 2012 #161
The one that supports the middle-class, Heinlein-reading lifestyle to which you are accustomed villager May 2012 #131
Well, why don't you show us how it's done Rittermeister May 2012 #133
I'm already eating less meat, and buying less new stuff than you. Match that, instead of villager May 2012 #134
+1 Johnny Rico May 2012 #145
? villager May 2012 #148
When did I assert that the Earth was dispensable? Johnny Rico May 2012 #144
I profoundly disagree. villager May 2012 #149
(incomplete post, please disregard) Johnny Rico May 2012 #153
We'll have to agree to profoundly disagree. Johnny Rico May 2012 #155
we should quit industrializing cows and chickens, for one thing, and viewing them as "products" villager May 2012 #160
It makes me really sad to know they are killing the wolves. Marrah_G May 2012 #87
Signed the petition Bryn May 2012 #100
Here is the link G_j May 2012 #103
Same here...Signed and shared... truebrit71 May 2012 #109
The appointment of Ken Salazar to interior has been worse than James Watt.. truebrit71 May 2012 #106
all those chicken shits that want to live out in nature, in the wild.... Scout May 2012 #108
Very useful thread.... truebrit71 May 2012 #117
It would be better if they spent their energy eradicating wolves from K Street. Zorra May 2012 #119
Hear, hear! nt redqueen May 2012 #121
Echoing Hear, Hear! Bryn May 2012 #129
DU Rec. nt woo me with science May 2012 #130
wow.. what a f*cked Up Eye-Opener of a Thread fascisthunter May 2012 #156
Your "mawkish sentimentality" is noted! ellisonz May 2012 #162
lol... fascisthunter May 2012 #163
Drill baby drill sarisataka May 2012 #165
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