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20. The folks who believe that her strong showing on social issues is a DISTRACTION and the "easy"

Reply to NoJusticeNoPeace (Original post)

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:04 PM

Apr 2015

route from the real, hard, you know IMPORTANT issues of economics/Wall Street/whatever issues affect straight, white people could give less than a damn about her liberal bona fides. Surely you realize this by now. These folks have burned a million calories creating a narrative and they will be damned before they let any truth or facts affect this.

And I'm still on the damn fence about Hillary! I would love nothing more than for the Democrats here to just ignore these folks. These same folks have been screaming the same BULLSHIT about President Obama for the last eight years and have just changed 'Obama' to 'Clinton.' The problem is, they make so DAMN much noise here to compensate for the fact that they have nothing even resembling clout in the real world, that they are impossible to ignore.

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Hillary was 11th Most Liberal Senator during her time in the Senate [View all] NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 OP

who just happened to support authorizing the invasion of Iraq... mike_c Apr 2015 #1

Yep, so which republican are you comfortable making SC appointments? NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #5

false equivalence... mike_c Apr 2015 #14

Technically it's a false DILEMMA Scootaloo Apr 2015 #27

dammit, where's the Like button...? mike_c Apr 2015 #66

So it's okay to support Bush/Cheney on their disastrous policies if you are a Democrat? People died sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #28

The metrics for this ranking don't include foreign policy. That's the problem. leveymg Apr 2015 #77

Her yes votes on the IWR and Patriot Act are reasons enough to keep her out of the White House. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #2

I wonder who the other 10 were. arcane1 Apr 2015 #4

Will ask you the same NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #6

I prefer a progressive Democratic nominee. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #13

Elizabeth won't run. Move on. It's ok. Adrahil Apr 2015 #33

I hope Elizabeth Warren does decide to run after all AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #48

Well, I admire your enthusiasm! Adrahil Apr 2015 #49

Why did the acronym PUMA suddenly leap to mind? Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #51

I have no idea... n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #53

We do and there a shitload of them showing their colors here... Historic NY Apr 2015 #57

Still don't know what you are talking about.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #62

There's more than one democrat, NJNP Scootaloo Apr 2015 #29

Can you safely say all of those other Democrats can win a national election? brooklynite Apr 2015 #32

I believe any democrat could win Scootaloo Apr 2015 #38

LOL, as safely as saying Hillary is an inevitable win for President? closeupready Apr 2015 #40

No Clinton supporter has called her inevitable...that's your line. brooklynite Apr 2015 #43

You guys called her that last time, sure enough. closeupready Apr 2015 #55

You don't need to use the word "inevitable" to send the message, Brooklynite Scootaloo Apr 2015 #84

So run a candidate. Adrahil Apr 2015 #34

And what's the basis of your "can't win" analysis, aside from your pulling for clinton? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #39

It's mainly a gut feeling.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #41

There's only one way for a Democrat to lose, Adrahil Scootaloo Apr 2015 #42

I agree. Unfortunately.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #44

Then we need to examine WHY they won't get out and vote, don't we? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #83

She isn't the only dem running...false choices snooper2 Apr 2015 #54

obama has been implementing all those things. should he be forced to resign then? nt msongs Apr 2015 #15

yes he has AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #18

I think your expectation on Iraq and Afghanistan were very unrealistic. Adrahil Apr 2015 #36

no, the idealized version AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #46

Dubya threw that region into turmoil.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #47

... William769 Apr 2015 #3

LMFAO L0oniX Apr 2015 #7

So you cant refute the information, why dont you guys and gals just admit your agenda. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #8

Yea I am blown away with all your facts and links. L0oniX Apr 2015 #9

Wanna have an actual bet with money? Before I waste my time providing you with NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #10

I hope you can eventually learn to write ops with facts and links. Is that too hard for you? L0oniX Apr 2015 #11

Link bigwillq Apr 2015 #24

rebuttal link (edited with graphics) AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #25

assuming around 50 Democrats or "liberals" in the Senate #11 is not in the top quintile. JanMichael Apr 2015 #12

The same rating entity put Warren as 31st most liberal Senator. Bummer stat. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #50

who was talking about Warren? bad switch. JanMichael Apr 2015 #82

You really have to evaluate the evaluator... Look at who was ranked #1 liberal (Schumer?!?)... cascadiance Apr 2015 #52

That metric was based on who voted "yes" for "liberal" bills, and "no" on "conservative" bills. jeff47 Apr 2015 #16

I couldn't figure out exactly what it was based on. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #72

not good e nough arely staircase Apr 2015 #17

That is true! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #19

The folks who believe that her strong showing on social issues is a DISTRACTION and the "easy" Number23 Apr 2015 #20

It matters not hootinholler Apr 2015 #21

Not surprising from a DEM representing New York (nt) bigwillq Apr 2015 #22

Shows just how desperately we need progressives in the Senate. Scuba Apr 2015 #23

+1! arcane1 Apr 2015 #26

Screams from the Amen corner............. marmar Apr 2015 #35

Really? Savannahmann Apr 2015 #30

Only if you think that being a Republican who is good on social issues is all we can expect eridani Apr 2015 #31

Honestly, that's says more about the composition of the Senate. marmar Apr 2015 #37

Translation: there is NO fact, at all, that will change my mind. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #56

umm, who says I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she's the nominee? marmar Apr 2015 #58

Many do, I cant tell who is who anymore, so much criticism of her. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #59

Nothing wrong with criticism. I'm much more disturbed by monolithic groupthink. marmar Apr 2015 #60

I dont see that here...I see big fans who wont criticize her but remember we are talking NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #61

I'm not surprised at the combative responses. Folks don't like when facts contradict them. stevenleser Apr 2015 #45

Fine, present a fact that contradicts my negative opinion of Hillary. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #73

The data is right here stevenleser Apr 2015 #74

That so-called "data" can't support the conclusion. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #76

Bullshit framing. Orsino Apr 2015 #63

thanks, so now I am bullshit..Anyway, sure, we need liberals. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #64

I think we do ourselves a disservice by using a half-smart talking point... Orsino Apr 2015 #65

Agreed, would love to nominate Bernie for example, BUT NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #67

Yes. Orsino Apr 2015 #70

Considering what passes as a "liberal" these days -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #68

It will likely come down to a choice of someone who knowingly hires a gay hating NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #69

Not too shabby KamaAina Apr 2015 #71

That "stat" is essentially bullshit Jim Lane Apr 2015 #75

Here's the 109th Senate Proud Public Servant Apr 2015 #78

In fact, I think the stats show Hillary was more liberal than Obama. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #79

Yep, I almost listed him as a "maybe" Proud Public Servant Apr 2015 #80

Isnt it ABSURD that we even have to discuss this given what we are discussing NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #81