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127. A. We don't. Habitually we call them something else when there is the possibility of confusion

Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:05 PM

Apr 2015

B. The reason why some women are annoyed is that the naming issue is a common one for professional women esp. after they get married. And what is sexist and/or disrespectful is to insist upon calling them something other than their preferred designation.

Hillary has chosen to be known publicly as Hillary, and therefore I call her Hillary. I strongly suspect this is because she never wanted to be known as "Mrs. Clinton". Early on she tried Hillary Rodham Clinton. Regardless, I call her as she choses to be known.

I am answering this time this way because I just realized you were sincere. Believe me, a woman in public life should properly be called as she wishes to be called. Anything else is sexist.

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Why is everyone referring to Clinton by her first name? [View all] jeff47 Apr 2015 OP

Because we already had a Clinton. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #1

And I addressed those two points above. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #5

not really arely staircase Apr 2015 #96

So only Bill Clinton gets the last name? (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #100

Irefer to her that way out of affection arely staircase Apr 2015 #112

Jeb bigwillq Apr 2015 #2

We're generally deriding Jeb. Not praising him. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #9

I'm not doing either. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #20

the use of jeb itself is not used to deride him JI7 Apr 2015 #104

No, but we're definitely not showing respect for him (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #106

i wouldn't respect him even if i referred to him as bush and i dont respect cruz JI7 Apr 2015 #110

He's actively campaigned as "JEB!" Then there was Ike. And Teddy. And Honest Abe. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2015 #139

When i say Hillary I mean no disrespect. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #3

Distinguish Hillary from Bill liberal N proud Apr 2015 #4

Already covered that in the OP. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #6

You 'covered' it, but people simply disagree with you, and think you're wrong. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #23

Then such a person could post why occasionally using "Bill" is so hard. jeff47 Apr 2015 #31

Is it 'hard'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #49

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #64

My guy is Bernie Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #7

The same reason they call Bush, Jeb, & used RFK, JFK, FDR, etc. Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #8

. jeff47 Apr 2015 #12

Same with John Quincy Adams and just W loyalsister Apr 2015 #142

She refers to herself as such. It's become her brand. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #10

Yes, but we must be offended at something. n/t Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #19

I don't get it. Does OP want us to stop because it helps make her feel approachable PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #28

IMO if we should treat her like we treat every other politician. jeff47 Apr 2015 #38

hmmm. your concern is noted. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #44

A. We don't. Habitually we call them something else when there is the possibility of confusion Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #127

And, over analyze the hell out of everything. Cha Apr 2015 #40

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #69

Yes! That's it frogmarch Apr 2015 #61

It's an unusual name, she is very well-known, and it does bring up Bill Clinton in a subtle way Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #90

Exactly. And if she used Clinton, she'd be accused of riding Bill's coattails. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #94

Oh, brother. n/t earthside Apr 2015 #11

Why does her campaign use it??? former9thward Apr 2015 #13

Already covered in the OP. jeff47 Apr 2015 #15

So you want to make her less friendly and less approachable. former9thward Apr 2015 #27

No, I want to show her the respect I'd show a male politician. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #43

I'll take my cue from her own campaign. former9thward Apr 2015 #73

Do you refer to Obama as Barack? 'Cause his campaign did that too. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #77

In the Chicago mayor race former9thward Apr 2015 #97

What the hell is your problem? HERVEPA Apr 2015 #132

The OP is almost certainly trying to do a "reverse sexism" play here KittyWampus Apr 2015 #146

I had the impression that she preferred being called Hillary. Arkansas Granny Apr 2015 #14

She's selling herself as "Hillary" to appear more approachable and not be jeff47 Apr 2015 #17

Most of us like Democrats. FSogol Apr 2015 #24

Hence the question. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #26

Cool story bro. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #30

Is that the talking point now? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #105

Nope, polling from her Senate campaign. jeff47 Apr 2015 #108

silly H2O Man Apr 2015 #16

Apparently "Pantsuit" means massive misogyny now. jeff47 Apr 2015 #22

I would agree H2O Man Apr 2015 #29

Except this one is talking about us. Not her. jeff47 Apr 2015 #32

It is still H2O Man Apr 2015 #36

Oh, did you get a hide and started this to be petulant? PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #33

.. Cha Apr 2015 #46

Nope. Shockingly enough, I'm literate and can read other posts! jeff47 Apr 2015 #47

Indeed. nt scarletwoman Apr 2015 #25

Because it's what she uses, I suppose. bravenak Apr 2015 #18

I use HRC, which is quicker than remembering whether Hillary has one or 2 "L"s and avoids FSogol Apr 2015 #21

Because that is how she choses to refer to herself? alphafemale Apr 2015 #34

Covered in 07-08 BeyondGeography Apr 2015 #35

8 years? To hell with that. The 90's are calling!! nt bunnies Apr 2015 #125

Why shouldn't we follow suit? If her campaign uses "Hillary" why shouldn't we? scarletwoman Apr 2015 #37

i use HRC, too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #39

In the debates what will they call her? treestar Apr 2015 #158

That's a good question. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #159

you tell us Enrique Apr 2015 #41

Yep, back in 2012 I did that. I realized it was wrong of me to strip her of her last name jeff47 Apr 2015 #68

lol! Sissyk Apr 2015 #74

Game.Set.Match. bigwillq Apr 2015 #91

I bet, if Chafee joins the race, he'll be known as Lincoln. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #42

bill clinton is always in the press... spanone Apr 2015 #45

And the count when you exclude "bill" from your search? jeff47 Apr 2015 #54

you said bill's not in the press. you are wrong. spanone Apr 2015 #57

Not to the extent that Hillary Clinton is. So use Clinton for her and jeff47 Apr 2015 #63

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #78

Because she is well known workinclasszero Apr 2015 #48

She branded herself as "Hillary" in 2008 geek tragedy Apr 2015 #50

that doesn't matter Enrique Apr 2015 #79

And Obama branded himself "Barack" in 2008. jeff47 Apr 2015 #85

I don't recall that. The logo was an O. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #89

He did not. 2008 campaign logos. Yo_Mama Apr 2015 #135

I don't think that ever happened. tritsofme Apr 2015 #136

Honest question. forthemiddle Apr 2015 #51

I can't wait for the first 100 year old president! bigwillq Apr 2015 #55

Anything is possible forthemiddle Apr 2015 #60

Unfortunately it will be President Cheney's head in a jar. A la Futurama. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2015 #65

Nixon's back baby!! jeff47 Apr 2015 #82

That would seem to be the effort being made by many of her supporters jeff47 Apr 2015 #58

It was a good question forthemiddle Apr 2015 #66

I happen to agree with you. edgineered Apr 2015 #52

It's Dennis. nt LWolf Apr 2015 #53

Maybe for the same reason people call him "LeBron". DanTex Apr 2015 #56

Naaah--"JEB!!!" is not "Bush." And who could forget "LAMAR?" MADem Apr 2015 #59

Hi... yuiyoshida Apr 2015 #62

At least we don't call her the names we called Palin TBF Apr 2015 #67

True, we could be worse. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #70

Pffft...distraction...irrelevant...maybe even sexist. libdem4life Apr 2015 #71

Yeah, it's so totally sexist to refer to her in the same way jeff47 Apr 2015 #75

Now you're going to "strip her"...you're just an sexist insult a minute. LOL. Strip her. libdem4life Apr 2015 #86

I apoligize that the transitive verb is the same as the noun. jeff47 Apr 2015 #99

For the record, I'm an elementary school teacher...retired. Accepted. libdem4life Apr 2015 #124

That's how she's referring to herself. PeteSelman Apr 2015 #72

Tsk. Tsk. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #76

Why did you write "Tsk.Tsk."? H2O Man Apr 2015 #92

It's a bit Turbineguy Apr 2015 #80

Right. Why not use "vous" when that's what we use everywhere else? jeff47 Apr 2015 #83

Because she made it that way. She requested she be called yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #81

yup. She prefers it that way. alphafemale Apr 2015 #88

You say that again yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #109

Because there are two Clintons LittleBlue Apr 2015 #84

"I like Ike", "Give 'em hell, Harry!", "Honest Abe", "Teddy" tularetom Apr 2015 #87

And those examples are far more rare than last names jeff47 Apr 2015 #93

She's used "Hillary" for all of her own campaigns. PeaceNikki Apr 2015 #102

same reason Jeb is usually called by first name JI7 Apr 2015 #95

His first name is John. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2015 #98

well nickname JI7 Apr 2015 #101

I think it's disrespectful to call her Clinton Enrique Apr 2015 #103

As if there weren't important issues at hand ... Trajan Apr 2015 #107

Well after we entered the third dozen of posts complaining about people jeff47 Apr 2015 #113

mitt spanone Apr 2015 #153

This can NOT be a serious post. bunnies Apr 2015 #111

Sorry for interrupting the serious posts jeff47 Apr 2015 #115

Let me be clear. I am NOT a Hillary Clinton supporter... bunnies Apr 2015 #128

I have met & talked with Hillary on a couple of occasions. William769 Apr 2015 #114

Nope, not covered, but there's very few of us who have personal permission. jeff47 Apr 2015 #117

I believe I have shown her the respect she has asked for. William769 Apr 2015 #120

And I was talking about the rest of us who haven't met her. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #121

Why does her logo have an 'H' in it rather than a 'C'? n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #116

Gotta put the arrow somewhere. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2015 #118

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #119

If Hillary doesn't have a problem with it, Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #122

So, are you implying it's somehow sexist... TDale313 Apr 2015 #123

How do we recognize Beyonce, Brittney, Christina, Michael J., Sting, Bon Jovi? libdem4life Apr 2015 #126

Bon Jovi is a last name. bunnies Apr 2015 #129

Too wierd. libdem4life Apr 2015 #147

That's a weird OP from someone named "jeff"47. Dr. Strange Apr 2015 #130

Because that's what she prefers. NYC Liberal Apr 2015 #131

Your premise doesn't ring true at all, ie Ike, Rahm, Jeb, Teddy. "I like Ike" is probably one of the tritsofme Apr 2015 #133

For the same reason ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #134

Because we "know" her justiceischeap Apr 2015 #137

Her name is Hillary realFedUp Apr 2015 #138

FFS, her slogan is "Hillary For America"! zappaman Apr 2015 #140

it's the 'reverse sexism' gambit going down in flames. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #148

It's already being used by some to point to how ridiculous "feminists" are... boston bean Apr 2015 #165

I dunno...did she pipi_k Apr 2015 #141

To distinguish her from Bill. Adrahil Apr 2015 #143

Ditto. nt Jamaal510 Apr 2015 #163

I think she clearly prefers it; see The Logo. cyberswede Apr 2015 #144

I use HRC. It works. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #145

Because she insisted I call her Hillary back when I helped Bill campaign for AR governor. Good... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2015 #149

Perhaps because she likes it that way? brooklynite Apr 2015 #150

It is good that now all the questions about her are coming to light! Rex Apr 2015 #151

Look at her 2008 campaign signs. RandySF Apr 2015 #152

2 points doxyluv13 Apr 2015 #154

I wonder that myself, and try to avoid "Hillary" Scootaloo Apr 2015 #155

Mitt, Ike, and Bobby were taken jberryhill Apr 2015 #156

Jeb. Rand. And for 20 years "Clinton" has meant Bill Clinton. nt Hekate Apr 2015 #157

Because its her first name. romanic Apr 2015 #160

The news isn't doing it. joshcryer Apr 2015 #161

I call my doctor Fred Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #162

When Hillary came to Arkansas, she kept her own last name for years. This was not a popular Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #164

They don't want to confuse dumb-ass republicans who still hate Bill for having B Calm Apr 2015 #166