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274. I am astonished by your ability ...

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:18 AM

Apr 2015

... to determine that someone is a "centrist" - or anything else - by reading one reply they've posted. That is an amazing gift!

BTW, said poster did not call himself - or anyone else - a "progressive". He/she said, "I was happy to join a progressive democratic site to be able to chat with other democrats."

"Please stop calling yourselves progressive."

The use of "yourselves", plural, denotes a group. Can you identify who that group is, and why they should - per your pronouncement - stop calling themselves "progressive"?

I haven't been in the DU loop of late, so I must have missed the anointing of your own fine self as the final arbiter of who is a progressive and who has the right to call themselves one, all based no doubt on your amazing talent for "knowing" who's a centrist and who's a progressive on the basis of a single post.

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Here's the thing - don't expect me to be enthused about someone who cozys up to a mass murderer. [View all] scarletwoman Apr 2015 OP

Exactly. (nt) enough Apr 2015 #1

So far she's your only choice unless you skip voting yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #34

What a sad thing that is for a country that claims to be a democracy. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #84

Larry Summers marym625 Apr 2015 #107

and to hell with Larry Summers irisblue Apr 2015 #128

He's HC's number one adviser. pos that he is marym625 Apr 2015 #136

Don't forget Third Way, Progressive Policy Institute, etc. merrily Apr 2015 #282

more importantly marym625 Apr 2015 #300

I meant only that those next generation of DLC thinks tanks are also her advisors. merrily Apr 2015 #307

absolutely! marym625 Apr 2015 #311

Yes, but, at that point, he probably did not aspire to be President or worry a lot about re-election merrily Apr 2015 #318

Biden and Kerry seem to be doing just fine... Agschmid Apr 2015 #321

If either of them asked for my vote for Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces now, he would not get merrily Apr 2015 #333

It wasn't just "Johnny" it was 58% of democrats at the time... Agschmid Apr 2015 #338

Okay, "Johnny and a lot of others took that horrific vote too," also doesn't cut it for me. merrily Apr 2015 #343

It doesn't matter if 90% of Democrats supported the war it was the wrong decision. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #418

It's not okay for Biden. Or anyone who made that terrible error of judgement. So many lives lost, so sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #456

MOST Democrats voted againstr the INvasion/Occupation of Iraq. bvar22 Apr 2015 #410

Yes, thank you! Even Stupak voted against the Iraq War? I never noticed that before! merrily Apr 2015 #451

Enough Democrats "crossed over" so that whenever Bush was questioned... bvar22 Apr 2015 #469

So did every Republcan on the mixed political board I posted on at the time. merrily Apr 2015 #470

Aparently some here are cozy with Clinton being the only choice. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #110

Yes, let's "know them by their works," indeed. Tell us what you've done to support an alternative MADem Apr 2015 #191

Why would I wan to do any of those things since Hillary has already been annointed? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #196

If you're content to lay down and die, I think MADem Apr 2015 #209

... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #221

You're the one sawing plaintively at that violin to accompany your own sad script. MADem Apr 2015 #224

"I don't feel "hurt" at all..." R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #232

You're the one spouting all the "hurt" and "temper" comments--and most people can read, and see what MADem Apr 2015 #243

Whatever you say. Good luck. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #312

I AM hurt by where the Democratic Party is today, bvar22 Apr 2015 #472

The old democratic party is gone, but look what we have now. In addition we have their fawning R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #473

you poor powerless victims treestar Apr 2015 #255

Y'all are certainly clairvoyants of such merit R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #317

Those candidates will not be given treestar Apr 2015 #329

Again, your clairvoyance now seems little more R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #344

so it is possible Hillary supporters aren't fawning over her treestar Apr 2015 #351

Realism. I don't see a lot if it here. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #374

There's no dynasty treestar Apr 2015 #401

Did you read what I wrote? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #414

Her supporters may be encouraging themselves she can win this time treestar Apr 2015 #432

Why are you suggesting that people are NOT doing 'something', not finding and supporting candidates sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #215

Try reading in context for once. I'm having a conversation with a PERSON, not "people" MADem Apr 2015 #226

Temper temper. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #236

I'm entirely delighted--you apparently don't "read" people well, I'm afraid. MADem Apr 2015 #239

Right back at ya... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #242

You're getting crushed here and apparently don't even know it. Sad. Scuba Apr 2015 #296

I rather doubt that. nt MADem Apr 2015 #349

You doubt it...... I don't bvar22 Apr 2015 #477

Popped in to give me that opinion, did you? MADem Apr 2015 #481

Oooooooo! bvar22 Apr 2015 #488

He isn't asking people to put him in the WH. Afaik, he is not an elected politician. When a sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #241

Who is "he?" MADem Apr 2015 #244

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #320

Did you make up that new rule? bvar22 Apr 2015 #407

+ As for me, I dispatched my search committee years ago to canvass the nation for candidates. merrily Apr 2015 #360

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #227

I'll stand with Obama and Mandela and Kerry and Colbert and Carter, and all of the people who are MADem Apr 2015 #238

"..Supporting a human being that supports a mass murderer!!!!".. Give me a break. Cha Apr 2015 #271

This is probably the oddest thread I've seen on DU in a while. MADem Apr 2015 #278

But, it was suppose to be soooo clever.. as usual it says more about those taking cheap pot shots Cha Apr 2015 #280

You have not rested your case, Cha peequod Apr 2015 #286

Yes, I have. Cha Apr 2015 #287

I can post pictures too! peequod Apr 2015 #415

Stop badgering Cha while embarrassing yourself--Mandela and Kissinger were very close. MADem Apr 2015 #293

"Kissinger is a friend" - HRC's review of HKs book. Mandela also became close to Pik Botha. But, leveymg Apr 2015 #409

What the... BeanMusical Apr 2015 #425

Ha ha! peequod Apr 2015 #434

especially markets..... blackspade Apr 2015 #444

Only in the sense that Prince Metternich was to the "liberal" era that dawned in the early 1800s leveymg Apr 2015 #435

Selective reading, try again. Agschmid Apr 2015 #436

The word "liberal" has different meanings in different contexts. cheapdate Apr 2015 #437

well said, cheapdate. peequod Apr 2015 #449

Yes, that quote is key: MADem Apr 2015 #460

I am not "badgering" Cha... peequod Apr 2015 #423

Well said, and welcome to DU! leveymg Apr 2015 #424

Thank you, leveymg! peequod Apr 2015 #439

The poster you are addressing has been here for TEN years. MADem Apr 2015 #459

Well I don't know how many votes she would lose because of it treestar Apr 2015 #431

I agree, treestar, HRC won't lose many votes peequod Apr 2015 #438

Not sure what ignoring practical reality does for people repeating that meme. merrily Apr 2015 #284

You�re getting boring.. It�s over.. busterbrown Apr 2015 #357

Well said MissDeeds Apr 2015 #112

When she puts out word that she's going to raise 2.5 billion, 7962 Apr 2015 #139

Are you serious? 2.2 BILLION DOLLARS?? I thought 1 Billion was bad enough. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #165

+1, couldn't agree more. Marr Apr 2015 #249

This from the NYT article announcing her candidacy: 7962 Apr 2015 #297

I know some of those Democrats who 'overwhelmingly support her candidacy'. I worked for them, they sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #348

Duh..............look what the last election cost. Historic NY Apr 2015 #306

I wasnt doubting the figures, just quoting the story 7962 Apr 2015 #452

Sad to say, there never is a perfect democracy. I'm sure you've been told that. demosincebirth Apr 2015 #201

Maybe you should ask other Democrats? treestar Apr 2015 #253

When did that happen? No one asked me who I might want to represent me. Did someone contact you? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #364

Well they are not going to run someone without having some idea treestar Apr 2015 #368

The extremely wealthy control our electoral system. They don't 'support' candidates, they 'push' sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #377

So we have no control and no say? treestar Apr 2015 #397

No, we don't. That is WHY there are now so many organizations working to try to retrieve that power sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #454

exactly. merrily Apr 2015 #362

The problem with a democracy is that you only get two viable choices, no matter what. jobycom Apr 2015 #420

ha! wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #447

Heard that in 2008, too. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #256

So noted. Don't be happy. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #2

So nice of you to post this with out the back story. William769 Apr 2015 #3

So sick of this trolling meme. Agschmid Apr 2015 #5

Agreed. William769 Apr 2015 #7

Yup... SidDithers Apr 2015 #64

Everyone on this subthread needs to be aware that it's a TOS violation to call out a long-time leveymg Apr 2015 #102

Posting a picture of her and Kissinger with barely a scratch of text isn't criticism, it's a MEME. Agschmid Apr 2015 #119

I cant believe the term "troll" could be deemed SUCH a terrible insult 7962 Apr 2015 #144

It is technically a TOS violation... Agschmid Apr 2015 #147

Why would someone call another DUer a troll for telling the truth? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #169

What is the truth? Agschmid Apr 2015 #173

This post was meant to express an opinion on how someone feels about a candidate who is asking sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #179

No don't lie, why the heck would you do that? Agschmid Apr 2015 #182

I read the OP but had not seen the other OP. It seems to me that the OP sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #189

Thanks for the tempered response. Agschmid Apr 2015 #193

No problem. I'm not looking for a perfect candidate, but I do have one in mind who is as close sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #199

A wanted war criminal? treestar Apr 2015 #261

Nope 7962 Apr 2015 #295

Nope. Agschmid Apr 2015 #322

All for questioning, not for war crimes, though not sure of the last one: treestar Apr 2015 #331

Kissinger ducked int'l subpoenas for questioning about his role in and knowledge of crimes against leveymg Apr 2015 #341

Well it's OK for Julian and Eddie to do it treestar Apr 2015 #352

Neither Julian nor Snowden are accused of crimes against humanity. Kissinger is leveymg Apr 2015 #379

accused by who? treestar Apr 2015 #396

OFFS. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #403

Accused by who? treestar Apr 2015 #433

"how come it hasn't come out more generally?" BeanMusical Apr 2015 #453

Kissinger was subpoenaed by courts in Chile, Arg. & France for his role in the Pinochet Coup leveymg Apr 2015 #337

Having questions is not the same as being indicted as a "war criminal." treestar Apr 2015 #400

Courts in 3 countries subpoenaed HK re his role in crimes against humanity. He refuses to comply. leveymg Apr 2015 #406

Well if that is the way you feel about it treestar Apr 2015 #412

Kissinger is wanted for questioning on war crimes, in Chile. He is also accused of crimes in sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #373

Why do you have so much trust in the Chilean justice system? treestar Apr 2015 #413

Then it shouldn't matter, right? peequod Apr 2015 #430

I agree heaven05 Apr 2015 #378

Internet Speak 1939 Apr 2015 #347

Re-read what I said and then try again... Agschmid Apr 2015 #354

Thank you. n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #138

Your post was alerted on. zeemike Apr 2015 #237

There's nothing about calling people trolls in the TOS. Those "old DU2" rules are long gone. MADem Apr 2015 #248

so every one who has ever spoken to Kissinger treestar Apr 2015 #257

There's a back story? tularetom Apr 2015 #8

THIS.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #49

Here's a little backstory for you: scarletwoman Apr 2015 #11

That picture is not from that party. William769 Apr 2015 #13

So gonna stay quiet now? William769 Apr 2015 #26

Huh? I think Kissinger is a war criminal and a disgusting excuse for a human. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #37

You are trying to tie an article with a picture that is false. William769 Apr 2015 #42

She's snuggling up to Kissinger - what difference does it make where the picture was taken? dflprincess Apr 2015 #53

See post 51--are you prepared to throw all those "snugglers" under the bus? Now THAT would be some MADem Apr 2015 #61

Yup... Agschmid Apr 2015 #80

He was an adviser to Hillary when she was SOS. With his war criminal record (he was wanted for sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #231

He had no titled or salaried role in Clinton's State Department. He did what most SoS's have done MADem Apr 2015 #283

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #323

It makes a big difference. William769 Apr 2015 #63

Rather less "nefarious' than dropping napalm on Cambodia or installing Suharto and Pinochet... Scootaloo Apr 2015 #148

Not to mention sabotaging Vietnam War peace talks Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #161

She was there with her arms wrapped around a murderer. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #233

So I guess you're not a fan of the President either.... 7962 Apr 2015 #154

Obama is not schmoozing with Kissinger Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #164

See post 51 7962 Apr 2015 #294

You should be a fiction author, you seem to have illustrative adjective usage down... Agschmid Apr 2015 #324

Please post "the back story" bunnies Apr 2015 #14

Not my OP. William769 Apr 2015 #15

Here I thought you were agreeing with the OP. bunnies Apr 2015 #20

Yes--it's about as "valid" as the pics posted downthread in post 51. nt MADem Apr 2015 #54

Here's some backstory: Henry Kissinger is a fucking war criminal Scootaloo Apr 2015 #89

Well that's true. William769 Apr 2015 #92

Is that not clinton? Is that not Kissinger? Are we looking at body doubles? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #103

Follow the links. William769 Apr 2015 #111

Would these be the links you refuse to provide since it's not your OP? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #142

Let's see she was S.O.S. at the time William769 Apr 2015 #153

Oh, so it's like Kerry shaking hands with el Sisi Scootaloo Apr 2015 #156

I love how that red arrow of Hillary's points to the right. Very fitting. Wouldn't you agree? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #115

Yes since it means "moving forward". William769 Apr 2015 #117

Moving...to the right. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #122

I can't help it if you are not well versed in meanings. William769 Apr 2015 #129

Actually it's my business: branding. So fail on your part. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #135

No fail on my part. William769 Apr 2015 #146

Well that was a tell if ever there was one. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #170

It does look dated. Marr Apr 2015 #251

They probably intended that impression dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #275

...! KoKo Apr 2015 #386

Yes!! BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #390

"HOPE" was not commissioned by the O campaign. That was a private artist who was SUED by AP for MADem Apr 2015 #461

Oh man, do I agree BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #389

Just an FYI... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #394

You mean the agency that did the Citi logo? BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #417

I'm not too bad with photoshop and know a thing or two about logos so BeanMusical Apr 2015 #465

There is no "forward" in regards to two dimensions. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #149

Look at the top of your web browser: < back forward> emulatorloo Apr 2015 #315

Sure is going to look great as an app on my phone, wouldn't you agree? Agschmid Apr 2015 #123

Does the app come with rose tinted glasses? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #131

No my vision is 20/20... unlike some others here. Agschmid Apr 2015 #133

The irony of that statement is astounding. But go on. Do tell. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #137

Please proceed. Agschmid Apr 2015 #140

Actually I just asked you to go first. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #145

. Agschmid Apr 2015 #150

Well, there's two Clinton fans that aren't able to put things into words or defend bad branding. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #171

No it's not. Agschmid Apr 2015 #177

My viewpoints were/are based on visual communications. Her branding sends a horrible message, and in R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #184

Me either. Agschmid Apr 2015 #195

If you say so... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #200

If I'm going to support a politician its likely I'll download their app. Agschmid Apr 2015 #202

So you're locked in for Hill? Is that right? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #206

No... Agschmid Apr 2015 #207

"But I'm sick of the bullshit on here..." R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #211

Well then let's get to work and see what happens in a year. Agschmid Apr 2015 #212

Yes indeed. William769 Apr 2015 #155

Soul Crush Saga? frylock Apr 2015 #421

I don't support her and I'm with you on this rpannier Apr 2015 #186

ding a freaking ling ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 #4

It is disgusting Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #46

ERMAGGERD!!!! Agschmid Apr 2015 #6

fine, we'll talk about her record: should we start with Syria or Honduras first? MisterP Apr 2015 #77

You pick... Agschmid Apr 2015 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author MisterP Apr 2015 #181

I don't see it... Agschmid Apr 2015 #187

You must hate this guy too... LexVegas Apr 2015 #9

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #30

Ceremonial niceties. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #32

No, when Mandela was released from prison, he went to the USA and sought out Kissinger. MADem Apr 2015 #462

+2 ThoughtCriminal Apr 2015 #43

Shit, I was gonna guess Stephen Colbert. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #47

hypocrisy is on high display on DU Skittles Apr 2015 #120

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #126

Mandela was in prison when Kissinger was doing most of his murdering. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #240

Mandela learned "shuttle diplomacy" from Kissinger and used it to end apartheid in S. Africa. MADem Apr 2015 #290

So Mandela saved many many lives and his country with the knowledge acquired from BeanMusical Apr 2015 #466

good response shirleyplz Apr 2015 #408

Nobody asked you to be happy and you can vote for who ever you like. leftofcool Apr 2015 #10

My friend told me yesterday to come here and join this site NET Apr 2015 #12

frowny face. lol. bunnies Apr 2015 #17

please stop calling yourself a progressive. IDEALOUGE is the correct term. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #38

Bullshit. bunnies Apr 2015 #45

I am astonished by your ability ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #274

right. nt bunnies Apr 2015 #310

Dr. Frist. Paging Dr. Frist. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #342

My apologies then. I'm an old woman who was in college during the Vietnam War. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #18

"Easily ignored with no consequence." Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #25

I can understand us not having a perfect candidate NET Apr 2015 #33

. blue neen Apr 2015 #50

No one has said she isn't smart dflprincess Apr 2015 #57

''She's strong , smart'' DeSwiss Apr 2015 #250

Today's Democratic Party seems to bear less and less resemblence Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #66

The God's truth. This might be a 5th cousin, twice removed! appalachiablue Apr 2015 #219

Jesus, you do have the choice to leave the party. RiffRandell Apr 2015 #245

Cut the Nader crap Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #246

you do realize that primaries are usually based on the party ? and that whoever the democratic JI7 Apr 2015 #279

Why not just let the people vote, then Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #304

they are allowed to vote for anyone they want JI7 Apr 2015 #332

We weren't allowed to vote in last year's gubernatorial primary Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #334

Can you give info on that ? JI7 Apr 2015 #336

Why cancel the primary when there is only one candidate? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #340

How was he forced out ? JI7 Apr 2015 #345

If the state party says you won't get any support if you do win Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #346

so why be part of such a party ? JI7 Apr 2015 #382

What other choices are there? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #463

I will also add Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #464

lol @ primaries.. frylock Apr 2015 #422

Pfft! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #402

Don't sweat it. Really. Adrahil Apr 2015 #19

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #21

Why? Because freepers hate TPP, Keystone XL and endless war in the ME?? eridani Apr 2015 #27

Just look how the RWers are reacting to her announcement. They are going fucking insane. Adrahil Apr 2015 #41

Better her than a Republican. But better a Democrat with Democratic values than Clinton. n/t eridani Apr 2015 #130

Fortunately, once election season begins in earnest, they'll be forced to hold their water. MADem Apr 2015 #113

Hold their water~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #185

We'll see a lot of this once general election season kicks in!! MADem Apr 2015 #214

Stop Stop~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #218

Welcome to DU, NET.. there's plenty of progressives to talk to. President Obama has made tons Cha Apr 2015 #62

Welcome to DU NET. Lochloosa Apr 2015 #78

Welcome to DU NET! calimary Apr 2015 #162

Welcome to DU! treestar Apr 2015 #263

also at the party were: guillaumeb Apr 2015 #16

I don't know but you spend a whole lot of time on DU... Agschmid Apr 2015 #22

and your "proof" for your comment guillaumeb Apr 2015 #28

I don't need proof, here you are. Agschmid Apr 2015 #31

Correction, here "we' are. All 229 thousand of us. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #367

Oh, SNAP! MADem Apr 2015 #197

Even if Petraeus is a slime, did he ever use the powers of his office to smear the "other woman", 24601 Apr 2015 #172

Petraeus might be a slime, but he is a free slime. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #372

Private Manning never even faced charges for treason, the only crime defined in the 24601 Apr 2015 #448

it is an interesting question guillaumeb Apr 2015 #467

Yeah, someone who "colors" upto a foreign leader realFedUp Apr 2015 #23

Fuck Henry Kissinger JEB Apr 2015 #24

Geez. An ancient Nobel Peace Prize winner and fellow ex-Secy of State. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #29

That Nobel Peace Prize winner was instrumental in the overthrow of the Salvador Allende government Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #79

I know his history. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #105

You know his history, but you're still fine with it Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #109

Read it again. Carefully this time. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #132

Yeah, I read it again Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #167

If Hillary Clinton can be such good friends with him why can't the rest of us? totodeinhere Apr 2015 #229

We'll attribute your lack of understanding to my bad writing skills. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #298

The only thing I would have to say to that particular political opponent is: lastlib Apr 2015 #163

Please post a warning next time Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #35

In politics you "cozy up" when necessary. Your sentiment is facile. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #36

Yes, that's what so lovely about politics. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #44

If you're waiting for a national politician who's willing to kick Kissinger in the nuts onstage Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #52

Thank You!!! LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #65

you've already had several DU'ers post similar photos of any number of Democrats w/ Kissinger KittyWampus Apr 2015 #83

yeah it's hard to imagine how these geniuses could be President treestar Apr 2015 #266

Washington DC is a small place and a small club. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #39

Who is trying to convince you to be happy about it? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #40

As SOS Hillary met with many people, part of her job, to judge Hillary by interacting with Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #48

Does that include going to a war criminal's birthday party? scarletwoman Apr 2015 #58

Are you trying to get others to dislike Hillary because of Kissinger? Won't happen, I doubt you Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #100

Because when people have their picture taken with someone at an official event, that AUTOMATICALLY MADem Apr 2015 #51

BINGO! William769 Apr 2015 #55

Threads like this are just ... embarrassing. MADem Apr 2015 #70

This thread is not one of DU's finest moments. William769 Apr 2015 #73

All you can do is consider the source. MADem Apr 2015 #98

Good to hear! Me too. William769 Apr 2015 #99

Gee Mom all the cool kids are hanging with war criminals, why can't I? dflprincess Apr 2015 #69

including Nelson Mandela and Jimmy Carter. LOL KittyWampus Apr 2015 #86

That's just the tip of the iceberg. MADem Apr 2015 #93

Actually, he did move to a small engineering firm that did not deal with these types dflprincess Apr 2015 #125

Sorry, and nothing against you-I still think your tale told to you by your friend is a war story. MADem Apr 2015 #175

My friend didn't tell me the story, her mother told it to us. dflprincess Apr 2015 #428

That guy was out the door regardless of Von Braun, I suspect. I know you think otherwise, but MADem Apr 2015 #458

That's the thing, isn't it? You have to go along to get along. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #101

I just looked at his wikipedia article treestar Apr 2015 #268

Albright and Powel aren't great examples, if you're trying to whitewash war crimes n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #95

I'm trying to demonstrate that only people without nuance or much in the way of depth look at a MADem Apr 2015 #97

Not a lot of nuance to be had on the issue of war crimes, MADem Scootaloo Apr 2015 #108

I was hoping H2O Man Apr 2015 #114

You're the one looking at people dressed up in their Sunday best and making a "war crime" out of it. MADem Apr 2015 #116

Your defense of Kissinger is "he was dressed nice"? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #127

Of course you've "got no time." MADem Apr 2015 #151

"I see you. I'm not the only one, either. " Scootaloo Apr 2015 #158

You are indeed easily amused, I see! nt MADem Apr 2015 #176

You reminded me of a movie Scootaloo Apr 2015 #180

For someone who didn't "have time" for me (your words) you sure have carved out a lot of it. MADem Apr 2015 #220

What? n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #230

it's what non-critical thinkers believe Skittles Apr 2015 #159

Precisely. nt MADem Apr 2015 #160

Boom! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #190

Right back atcha! nt MADem Apr 2015 #192

Exactly, it's so insulting treestar Apr 2015 #267

Indeed. You expect that kind of stuff from GOP sources. MADem Apr 2015 #270

Bookmarking 1000words Apr 2015 #56

What is your agenda? - I remember this as a republican asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #59

Sit this one out? dflprincess Apr 2015 #87

No - I encourage everyone to vote - I take exception to those asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #365

Politicians "cozy" up to all sorts of disreputable characters all the time. procon Apr 2015 #60

Women in politics are often judged more harshly than men. Not sure why this is. MADem Apr 2015 #141

Libertarian goddess Ayn Rand also admired serial killer Bill Hickman heavily too... cascadiance Apr 2015 #313

Why should I care who a sci-fi author -- especially that one -- admires? procon Apr 2015 #350

Ayn Rand's Libertarian followers don't think of themselves as just "sci fi" fans! cascadiance Apr 2015 #359

I do not see the validity of your comparison. procon Apr 2015 #363

scarletwoman KMOD Apr 2015 #67

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #68

Over 27,000 post and suddenly a troll? dflprincess Apr 2015 #71

No biggie. This is why I rarely post. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #75

I know, right? Adrahil Apr 2015 #90

Too bad that more of that isn't allowed. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #118

Thank you for the biggest laugh of this thread! scarletwoman Apr 2015 #72

That sounds like a TOS violation - calling out a long-time DU member as a "troll". Two actually. leveymg Apr 2015 #94

Politics can bring about the strangest of associations, can't it? blue neen Apr 2015 #74

In this case it wasn't even politics per se. Beacool Apr 2015 #208

Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2015 #76

Thanks, H2O Man - your post means a lot to me. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #85

Oh, yes. H2O Man Apr 2015 #91

So you appreciate someone using guilt by association. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #88

Why did you vote for Elmer Fudd? H2O Man Apr 2015 #96

Yes, everyone should be able to express their feelings on an internet political site.. Cha Apr 2015 #288

The author of the OP H2O Man Apr 2015 #319

. stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #381

Meh, two SOS meeting at some official event. Beacool Apr 2015 #82

A birthday party is an official event? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #124

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #134

That pic was taken at the Atlantic Council�s Leadership Awards. Beacool Apr 2015 #183

Seems like it was also an unofficial birthday party for Kissinger Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #194

Singing happy birthday is a pretty typical thing to do when it's someones birthday... Agschmid Apr 2015 #198

Would you lead the crowd in singing a rousing rendition of "Happy Birthday" to George Bush? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #203

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #205

+1 LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #370

Oh, the horror. Beacool Apr 2015 #204

Oh for crying out loud! Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #210

I was too young for Kissinger. Beacool Apr 2015 #217

They weren't merely at the same event Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #277

Did you even read your own link? It wasn't a birthday party. Tanuki Apr 2015 #213

K&R marym625 Apr 2015 #104

... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #106

Worse is her IWR vote and "we came, we saw he died" Libya quip. morningfog Apr 2015 #121

That "quip" was taken out of context. Beacool Apr 2015 #188

that's something that's been gnawing at me fizzgig Apr 2015 #143

Dear fellow DUers - lest you think I've posted and run, I really have to go to bed scarletwoman Apr 2015 #152

Great thread. Really got the juices flowing today. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #265

(Maybe she's got hold of his nuts......) lastlib Apr 2015 #157

Was that before or after she led the crowd Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #166

Aaah! That is one disturbing mental image. 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #168

Almost as outrageous as this: geek tragedy Apr 2015 #174

OMG--that's some SERIOUS "cozying up" to "a mass murderer!!" Where are the outraged threads? MADem Apr 2015 #178

They were world leaders and allies in a global war. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #235

Clinton never worked with or for Henry Kissinger. The dynamic most certainly is NOT the same MADem Apr 2015 #254

I'm "exorcised" about status quo politicians? ronnie624 Apr 2015 #269

"She certainly agrees with it," you say--as if you know this. MADem Apr 2015 #276

I can't wait ronnie624 Apr 2015 #281

We all know you hate FDR. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #262

Neither of those countries could have ever invaded the US. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #272

Excuse me? You kind of missed the point nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #316

What did Henry do that ever made his so popular with the elected types anyway? Rex Apr 2015 #216

Good question Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #258

It's possible to learn from people's successes AND their fuck-ups. MADem Apr 2015 #285

Thank you G_j Apr 2015 #222

Hillary Clinton Calls Henry Kissinger a Friend, Praises His Commitment to Democracy totodeinhere Apr 2015 #223

You realize you quote a paragraph where it says they don't agree all that often? Agschmid Apr 2015 #228

I read the entire article. The operative phrase is "Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his totodeinhere Apr 2015 #234

I'm afraid you're correct. MADem Apr 2015 #260

As I told the other poster, I read the entire article. The article says that she called Kissinger totodeinhere Apr 2015 #308

He's been convicted of nothing. When you fling that "war criminal" rubric around when there's been MADem Apr 2015 #358

The case against Kissinger is airtight. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #387

"Intellectual and mental contortions?" You should know. MADem Apr 2015 #391

The concept of a fair trial belongs in a courtroom, ronnie624 Apr 2015 #468

You got that right...and it's in a courtroom where "criminality" is decided. MADem Apr 2015 #471

I don't believe he will ever be charged either. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #479

No straw at all--I believe in rule of law, you--by your own comments--don't. MADem Apr 2015 #480

* ronnie624 Apr 2015 #482

Asterisk and emoticon aside, I stand by my remarks--you either believe in rule of law, or you don't. MADem Apr 2015 #483

My remarks actually make it clear that I believe in the rule of law. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #485

Well, I could say the same about your comments. MADem Apr 2015 #486

That doesn't even make any sense. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2015 #487

though we have often seen the world and our challenges quite differently treestar Apr 2015 #264

And of course he is also a war criminal which is apparently fine with Clinton. Otherwise totodeinhere Apr 2015 #309

No that's Saul Alinsky type stuff treestar Apr 2015 #328

Sometimes, Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #225

All you have to do is hold your nose and forget the dead, the tortured, and the homeless. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #247

And stock your bunker with a 20-year supply of canned goods in preperation for the coming wars. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #259

So dumb treestar Apr 2015 #252

Ever hear of Operation Condor? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #273

You blame him for those things? treestar Apr 2015 #325

How quickly people forget the murdered...and their murderers peequod Apr 2015 #291

Really then how come no one else blames him for it treestar Apr 2015 #326

In this specific case, yes peequod Apr 2015 #441

not knowing history G_j Apr 2015 #299

Or not agreeing with your interpretation of history treestar Apr 2015 #327

well that's convenient for a lot of people G_j Apr 2015 #335

A war criminal is a person convicted of war crimes treestar Apr 2015 #355

OK, for you, G_j Apr 2015 #361

Is it possible to disagree with someone, and even think they are evil treestar Apr 2015 #366

FYI, G_j Apr 2015 #371

That's not a real trial treestar Apr 2015 #398

You are reaching, but missing. bvar22 Apr 2015 #475

Maybe treestar was not around then or doesn't read any books about contemporary history. Rex Apr 2015 #484

One word for you: Yalta. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #289

Yalta was a wartime strategy meeting Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #314

The truth is the truth n/t malaise Apr 2015 #292

The All Hillary All The Time marym625 Apr 2015 #301

Nothing wrong with GOOD arguments. This isn't one. Adrahil Apr 2015 #302

I am advocating for good argument, discussion. 100% marym625 Apr 2015 #305

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #330

Yes. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #303

So many truly great people you can't support due to the simplicity of your mindset. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #339

This ^^^ treestar Apr 2015 #411

politics is what politics is Douglas Carpenter Apr 2015 #353

And there is more. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #356

...! KoKo Apr 2015 #388

I used to based my presidential preferences on a little more than a picture, too. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #369

I hear that!!!!!! heaven05 Apr 2015 #375

Hillary Clinton�s Progressive Problem explained..... LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #376

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Faux pas Apr 2015 #380

I Agree' Lunabell Apr 2015 #383

Yeah, fuck those people that cozy up to mass murderers... Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #384

If I was to not vote for a democrat who has stood next to Kissinger and smiled LynneSin Apr 2015 #392

Agreed. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #393

I'm starting to like Hillary even more because of the haters here at DU LynneSin Apr 2015 #440

I didn't know Carter was running for President!!!! bvar22 Apr 2015 #474

No, he was just a sitting president. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #478

I'm not happy, just ask Mr. Soros. saidsimplesimon Apr 2015 #385

Does the Democratic Party realize how vulnerable they are to losing if HRC is the nominee? dirtydickcheney Apr 2015 #395

I would love to vote FOR a Dem, instead of AGAINST a Repub. riqster Apr 2015 #399

Thanks scarlet! All these yrs later & the party's still on... countryjake Apr 2015 #404

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #405

So two disparate political figures hug. Really? That's your criterion? DrBulldog Apr 2015 #416

I hate people who want IT ALL. Cheviteau Apr 2015 #419

Post of the YEAR , CLASSIC guilt by association! ALL American politicians NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #426

America was built upon mass murder Yavin4 Apr 2015 #427

NO! bvar22 Apr 2015 #489

rec'd, but I disagree with you.... mike_c Apr 2015 #429

i love Hillary. I hate kissinger. he's a piece of shit and you are right a mass murderer. samsingh Apr 2015 #442

I feel the same way. blackspade Apr 2015 #443

Yep. Thespian2 Apr 2015 #445

I'm with you!! rury Apr 2015 #446

That IS the thing, scarletwoman. Octafish Apr 2015 #450

! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #457

Foreign policy is HRC's bete noire, and I'm very interested in hearing how her views ucrdem Apr 2015 #455

welcome to neo feudalism wundermaus Apr 2015 #476