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290. Mandela learned "shuttle diplomacy" from Kissinger and used it to end apartheid in S. Africa.

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:38 AM

Apr 2015

Buried deep in an old World Cup article (Kissinger was a bigwig on some 'football' governing body)...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/opinion/15iht-edcohen.html

Kissinger told me, rather to my surprise given their political views, that he and Nelson Mandela were close, that Mandela had studied his shuttle diplomacy in prison and became fascinated by it to the point that, when he visited the United States after his release from prison in 1990, he requested a meeting with Kissinger.

“Mandela’s conduct has been extraordinarily wise,” Kissinger, who will attend the final rounds of the World Cup, told me. “He is one of the great men I have met.”

DeKlerk, Mandela, Kissinger...

I guess we need to dig up Mandela and throw him under the bus, too...?

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Oooooooo! bvar22 Apr 2015 #488

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"..Supporting a human being that supports a mass murderer!!!!".. Give me a break. Cha Apr 2015 #271

This is probably the oddest thread I've seen on DU in a while. MADem Apr 2015 #278

But, it was suppose to be soooo clever.. as usual it says more about those taking cheap pot shots Cha Apr 2015 #280

You have not rested your case, Cha peequod Apr 2015 #286

Yes, I have. Cha Apr 2015 #287

I can post pictures too! peequod Apr 2015 #415

Stop badgering Cha while embarrassing yourself--Mandela and Kissinger were very close. MADem Apr 2015 #293

"Kissinger is a friend" - HRC's review of HKs book. Mandela also became close to Pik Botha. But, leveymg Apr 2015 #409

What the... BeanMusical Apr 2015 #425

Ha ha! peequod Apr 2015 #434

especially markets..... blackspade Apr 2015 #444

Only in the sense that Prince Metternich was to the "liberal" era that dawned in the early 1800s leveymg Apr 2015 #435

Selective reading, try again. Agschmid Apr 2015 #436

The word "liberal" has different meanings in different contexts. cheapdate Apr 2015 #437

well said, cheapdate. peequod Apr 2015 #449

Yes, that quote is key: MADem Apr 2015 #460

I am not "badgering" Cha... peequod Apr 2015 #423

Well said, and welcome to DU! leveymg Apr 2015 #424

Thank you, leveymg! peequod Apr 2015 #439

The poster you are addressing has been here for TEN years. MADem Apr 2015 #459

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You’re getting boring.. It’s over.. busterbrown Apr 2015 #357

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ha! wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #447

Heard that in 2008, too. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #256

So noted. Don't be happy. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #2

So nice of you to post this with out the back story. William769 Apr 2015 #3

So sick of this trolling meme. Agschmid Apr 2015 #5

Agreed. William769 Apr 2015 #7

Yup... SidDithers Apr 2015 #64

Everyone on this subthread needs to be aware that it's a TOS violation to call out a long-time leveymg Apr 2015 #102

Posting a picture of her and Kissinger with barely a scratch of text isn't criticism, it's a MEME. Agschmid Apr 2015 #119

I cant believe the term "troll" could be deemed SUCH a terrible insult 7962 Apr 2015 #144

It is technically a TOS violation... Agschmid Apr 2015 #147

Why would someone call another DUer a troll for telling the truth? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #169

What is the truth? Agschmid Apr 2015 #173

This post was meant to express an opinion on how someone feels about a candidate who is asking sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #179

No don't lie, why the heck would you do that? Agschmid Apr 2015 #182

I read the OP but had not seen the other OP. It seems to me that the OP sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #189

Thanks for the tempered response. Agschmid Apr 2015 #193

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A wanted war criminal? treestar Apr 2015 #261

Nope 7962 Apr 2015 #295

Nope. Agschmid Apr 2015 #322

All for questioning, not for war crimes, though not sure of the last one: treestar Apr 2015 #331

Kissinger ducked int'l subpoenas for questioning about his role in and knowledge of crimes against leveymg Apr 2015 #341

Well it's OK for Julian and Eddie to do it treestar Apr 2015 #352

Neither Julian nor Snowden are accused of crimes against humanity. Kissinger is leveymg Apr 2015 #379

accused by who? treestar Apr 2015 #396

OFFS. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #403

Accused by who? treestar Apr 2015 #433

"how come it hasn't come out more generally?" BeanMusical Apr 2015 #453

Kissinger was subpoenaed by courts in Chile, Arg. & France for his role in the Pinochet Coup leveymg Apr 2015 #337

Having questions is not the same as being indicted as a "war criminal." treestar Apr 2015 #400

Courts in 3 countries subpoenaed HK re his role in crimes against humanity. He refuses to comply. leveymg Apr 2015 #406

Well if that is the way you feel about it treestar Apr 2015 #412

Kissinger is wanted for questioning on war crimes, in Chile. He is also accused of crimes in sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #373

Why do you have so much trust in the Chilean justice system? treestar Apr 2015 #413

Then it shouldn't matter, right? peequod Apr 2015 #430

I agree heaven05 Apr 2015 #378

Internet Speak 1939 Apr 2015 #347

Re-read what I said and then try again... Agschmid Apr 2015 #354

Thank you. n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #138

Your post was alerted on. zeemike Apr 2015 #237

There's nothing about calling people trolls in the TOS. Those "old DU2" rules are long gone. MADem Apr 2015 #248

so every one who has ever spoken to Kissinger treestar Apr 2015 #257

There's a back story? tularetom Apr 2015 #8

THIS.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #49

Here's a little backstory for you: scarletwoman Apr 2015 #11

That picture is not from that party. William769 Apr 2015 #13

So gonna stay quiet now? William769 Apr 2015 #26

Huh? I think Kissinger is a war criminal and a disgusting excuse for a human. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #37

You are trying to tie an article with a picture that is false. William769 Apr 2015 #42

She's snuggling up to Kissinger - what difference does it make where the picture was taken? dflprincess Apr 2015 #53

See post 51--are you prepared to throw all those "snugglers" under the bus? Now THAT would be some MADem Apr 2015 #61

Yup... Agschmid Apr 2015 #80

He was an adviser to Hillary when she was SOS. With his war criminal record (he was wanted for sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #231

He had no titled or salaried role in Clinton's State Department. He did what most SoS's have done MADem Apr 2015 #283

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #323

It makes a big difference. William769 Apr 2015 #63

Rather less "nefarious' than dropping napalm on Cambodia or installing Suharto and Pinochet... Scootaloo Apr 2015 #148

Not to mention sabotaging Vietnam War peace talks Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #161

She was there with her arms wrapped around a murderer. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #233

So I guess you're not a fan of the President either.... 7962 Apr 2015 #154

Obama is not schmoozing with Kissinger Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #164

See post 51 7962 Apr 2015 #294

You should be a fiction author, you seem to have illustrative adjective usage down... Agschmid Apr 2015 #324

Please post "the back story" bunnies Apr 2015 #14

Not my OP. William769 Apr 2015 #15

Here I thought you were agreeing with the OP. bunnies Apr 2015 #20

Yes--it's about as "valid" as the pics posted downthread in post 51. nt MADem Apr 2015 #54

Here's some backstory: Henry Kissinger is a fucking war criminal Scootaloo Apr 2015 #89

Well that's true. William769 Apr 2015 #92

Is that not clinton? Is that not Kissinger? Are we looking at body doubles? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #103

Follow the links. William769 Apr 2015 #111

Would these be the links you refuse to provide since it's not your OP? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #142

Let's see she was S.O.S. at the time William769 Apr 2015 #153

Oh, so it's like Kerry shaking hands with el Sisi Scootaloo Apr 2015 #156

I love how that red arrow of Hillary's points to the right. Very fitting. Wouldn't you agree? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #115

Yes since it means "moving forward". William769 Apr 2015 #117

Moving...to the right. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #122

I can't help it if you are not well versed in meanings. William769 Apr 2015 #129

Actually it's my business: branding. So fail on your part. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #135

No fail on my part. William769 Apr 2015 #146

Well that was a tell if ever there was one. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #170

It does look dated. Marr Apr 2015 #251

They probably intended that impression dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #275

...! KoKo Apr 2015 #386

Yes!! BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #390

"HOPE" was not commissioned by the O campaign. That was a private artist who was SUED by AP for MADem Apr 2015 #461

Oh man, do I agree BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #389

Just an FYI... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #394

You mean the agency that did the Citi logo? BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #417

I'm not too bad with photoshop and know a thing or two about logos so BeanMusical Apr 2015 #465

There is no "forward" in regards to two dimensions. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #149

Look at the top of your web browser: < back forward> emulatorloo Apr 2015 #315

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Does the app come with rose tinted glasses? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #131

No my vision is 20/20... unlike some others here. Agschmid Apr 2015 #133

The irony of that statement is astounding. But go on. Do tell. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #137

Please proceed. Agschmid Apr 2015 #140

Actually I just asked you to go first. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #145

. Agschmid Apr 2015 #150

Well, there's two Clinton fans that aren't able to put things into words or defend bad branding. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #171

No it's not. Agschmid Apr 2015 #177

My viewpoints were/are based on visual communications. Her branding sends a horrible message, and in R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #184

Me either. Agschmid Apr 2015 #195

If you say so... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #200

If I'm going to support a politician its likely I'll download their app. Agschmid Apr 2015 #202

So you're locked in for Hill? Is that right? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #206

No... Agschmid Apr 2015 #207

"But I'm sick of the bullshit on here..." R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #211

Well then let's get to work and see what happens in a year. Agschmid Apr 2015 #212

Yes indeed. William769 Apr 2015 #155

Soul Crush Saga? frylock Apr 2015 #421

I don't support her and I'm with you on this rpannier Apr 2015 #186

ding a freaking ling ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 #4

It is disgusting Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #46

ERMAGGERD!!!! Agschmid Apr 2015 #6

fine, we'll talk about her record: should we start with Syria or Honduras first? MisterP Apr 2015 #77

You pick... Agschmid Apr 2015 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author MisterP Apr 2015 #181

I don't see it... Agschmid Apr 2015 #187

You must hate this guy too... LexVegas Apr 2015 #9

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #30

Ceremonial niceties. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #32

No, when Mandela was released from prison, he went to the USA and sought out Kissinger. MADem Apr 2015 #462

+2 ThoughtCriminal Apr 2015 #43

Shit, I was gonna guess Stephen Colbert. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #47

hypocrisy is on high display on DU Skittles Apr 2015 #120

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #126

Mandela was in prison when Kissinger was doing most of his murdering. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #240

Mandela learned "shuttle diplomacy" from Kissinger and used it to end apartheid in S. Africa. MADem Apr 2015 #290

So Mandela saved many many lives and his country with the knowledge acquired from BeanMusical Apr 2015 #466

good response shirleyplz Apr 2015 #408

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My friend told me yesterday to come here and join this site NET Apr 2015 #12

frowny face. lol. bunnies Apr 2015 #17

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Bullshit. bunnies Apr 2015 #45

I am astonished by your ability ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #274

right. nt bunnies Apr 2015 #310

Dr. Frist. Paging Dr. Frist. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #342

My apologies then. I'm an old woman who was in college during the Vietnam War. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #18

"Easily ignored with no consequence." Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #25

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. blue neen Apr 2015 #50

No one has said she isn't smart dflprincess Apr 2015 #57

''She's strong , smart'' DeSwiss Apr 2015 #250

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The God's truth. This might be a 5th cousin, twice removed! appalachiablue Apr 2015 #219

Jesus, you do have the choice to leave the party. RiffRandell Apr 2015 #245

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they are allowed to vote for anyone they want JI7 Apr 2015 #332

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How was he forced out ? JI7 Apr 2015 #345

If the state party says you won't get any support if you do win Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #346

so why be part of such a party ? JI7 Apr 2015 #382

What other choices are there? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #463

I will also add Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #464

lol @ primaries.. frylock Apr 2015 #422

Pfft! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #402

Don't sweat it. Really. Adrahil Apr 2015 #19

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #21

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Just look how the RWers are reacting to her announcement. They are going fucking insane. Adrahil Apr 2015 #41

Better her than a Republican. But better a Democrat with Democratic values than Clinton. n/t eridani Apr 2015 #130

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Hold their water~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #185

We'll see a lot of this once general election season kicks in!! MADem Apr 2015 #214

Stop Stop~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #218

Welcome to DU, NET.. there's plenty of progressives to talk to. President Obama has made tons Cha Apr 2015 #62

Welcome to DU NET. Lochloosa Apr 2015 #78

Welcome to DU NET! calimary Apr 2015 #162

Welcome to DU! treestar Apr 2015 #263

also at the party were: guillaumeb Apr 2015 #16

I don't know but you spend a whole lot of time on DU... Agschmid Apr 2015 #22

and your "proof" for your comment guillaumeb Apr 2015 #28

I don't need proof, here you are. Agschmid Apr 2015 #31

Correction, here "we' are. All 229 thousand of us. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #367

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Petraeus might be a slime, but he is a free slime. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #372

Private Manning never even faced charges for treason, the only crime defined in the 24601 Apr 2015 #448

it is an interesting question guillaumeb Apr 2015 #467

Yeah, someone who "colors" upto a foreign leader realFedUp Apr 2015 #23

Fuck Henry Kissinger JEB Apr 2015 #24

Geez. An ancient Nobel Peace Prize winner and fellow ex-Secy of State. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #29

That Nobel Peace Prize winner was instrumental in the overthrow of the Salvador Allende government Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #79

I know his history. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #105

You know his history, but you're still fine with it Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #109

Read it again. Carefully this time. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #132

Yeah, I read it again Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #167

If Hillary Clinton can be such good friends with him why can't the rest of us? totodeinhere Apr 2015 #229

We'll attribute your lack of understanding to my bad writing skills. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #298

The only thing I would have to say to that particular political opponent is: lastlib Apr 2015 #163

Please post a warning next time Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #35

In politics you "cozy up" when necessary. Your sentiment is facile. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #36

Yes, that's what so lovely about politics. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #44

If you're waiting for a national politician who's willing to kick Kissinger in the nuts onstage Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #52

Thank You!!! LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #65

you've already had several DU'ers post similar photos of any number of Democrats w/ Kissinger KittyWampus Apr 2015 #83

yeah it's hard to imagine how these geniuses could be President treestar Apr 2015 #266

Washington DC is a small place and a small club. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #39

Who is trying to convince you to be happy about it? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #40

As SOS Hillary met with many people, part of her job, to judge Hillary by interacting with Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #48

Does that include going to a war criminal's birthday party? scarletwoman Apr 2015 #58

Are you trying to get others to dislike Hillary because of Kissinger? Won't happen, I doubt you Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #100

Because when people have their picture taken with someone at an official event, that AUTOMATICALLY MADem Apr 2015 #51

BINGO! William769 Apr 2015 #55

Threads like this are just ... embarrassing. MADem Apr 2015 #70

This thread is not one of DU's finest moments. William769 Apr 2015 #73

All you can do is consider the source. MADem Apr 2015 #98

Good to hear! Me too. William769 Apr 2015 #99

Gee Mom all the cool kids are hanging with war criminals, why can't I? dflprincess Apr 2015 #69

including Nelson Mandela and Jimmy Carter. LOL KittyWampus Apr 2015 #86

That's just the tip of the iceberg. MADem Apr 2015 #93

Actually, he did move to a small engineering firm that did not deal with these types dflprincess Apr 2015 #125

Sorry, and nothing against you-I still think your tale told to you by your friend is a war story. MADem Apr 2015 #175

My friend didn't tell me the story, her mother told it to us. dflprincess Apr 2015 #428

That guy was out the door regardless of Von Braun, I suspect. I know you think otherwise, but MADem Apr 2015 #458

That's the thing, isn't it? You have to go along to get along. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #101

I just looked at his wikipedia article treestar Apr 2015 #268

Albright and Powel aren't great examples, if you're trying to whitewash war crimes n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #95

I'm trying to demonstrate that only people without nuance or much in the way of depth look at a MADem Apr 2015 #97

Not a lot of nuance to be had on the issue of war crimes, MADem Scootaloo Apr 2015 #108

I was hoping H2O Man Apr 2015 #114

You're the one looking at people dressed up in their Sunday best and making a "war crime" out of it. MADem Apr 2015 #116

Your defense of Kissinger is "he was dressed nice"? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #127

Of course you've "got no time." MADem Apr 2015 #151

"I see you. I'm not the only one, either. " Scootaloo Apr 2015 #158

You are indeed easily amused, I see! nt MADem Apr 2015 #176

You reminded me of a movie Scootaloo Apr 2015 #180

For someone who didn't "have time" for me (your words) you sure have carved out a lot of it. MADem Apr 2015 #220

What? n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #230

it's what non-critical thinkers believe Skittles Apr 2015 #159

Precisely. nt MADem Apr 2015 #160

Boom! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #190

Right back atcha! nt MADem Apr 2015 #192

Exactly, it's so insulting treestar Apr 2015 #267

Indeed. You expect that kind of stuff from GOP sources. MADem Apr 2015 #270

Bookmarking 1000words Apr 2015 #56

What is your agenda? - I remember this as a republican asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #59

Sit this one out? dflprincess Apr 2015 #87

No - I encourage everyone to vote - I take exception to those asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #365

Politicians "cozy" up to all sorts of disreputable characters all the time. procon Apr 2015 #60

Women in politics are often judged more harshly than men. Not sure why this is. MADem Apr 2015 #141

Libertarian goddess Ayn Rand also admired serial killer Bill Hickman heavily too... cascadiance Apr 2015 #313

Why should I care who a sci-fi author -- especially that one -- admires? procon Apr 2015 #350

Ayn Rand's Libertarian followers don't think of themselves as just "sci fi" fans! cascadiance Apr 2015 #359

I do not see the validity of your comparison. procon Apr 2015 #363

scarletwoman KMOD Apr 2015 #67

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #68

Over 27,000 post and suddenly a troll? dflprincess Apr 2015 #71

No biggie. This is why I rarely post. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #75

I know, right? Adrahil Apr 2015 #90

Too bad that more of that isn't allowed. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #118

Thank you for the biggest laugh of this thread! scarletwoman Apr 2015 #72

That sounds like a TOS violation - calling out a long-time DU member as a "troll". Two actually. leveymg Apr 2015 #94

Politics can bring about the strangest of associations, can't it? blue neen Apr 2015 #74

In this case it wasn't even politics per se. Beacool Apr 2015 #208

Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2015 #76

Thanks, H2O Man - your post means a lot to me. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #85

Oh, yes. H2O Man Apr 2015 #91

So you appreciate someone using guilt by association. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #88

Why did you vote for Elmer Fudd? H2O Man Apr 2015 #96

Yes, everyone should be able to express their feelings on an internet political site.. Cha Apr 2015 #288

The author of the OP H2O Man Apr 2015 #319

. stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #381

Meh, two SOS meeting at some official event. Beacool Apr 2015 #82

A birthday party is an official event? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #124

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #134

That pic was taken at the Atlantic Council’s Leadership Awards. Beacool Apr 2015 #183

Seems like it was also an unofficial birthday party for Kissinger Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #194

Singing happy birthday is a pretty typical thing to do when it's someones birthday... Agschmid Apr 2015 #198

Would you lead the crowd in singing a rousing rendition of "Happy Birthday" to George Bush? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #203

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #205

+1 LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #370

Oh, the horror. Beacool Apr 2015 #204

Oh for crying out loud! Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #210

I was too young for Kissinger. Beacool Apr 2015 #217

They weren't merely at the same event Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #277

Did you even read your own link? It wasn't a birthday party. Tanuki Apr 2015 #213

K&R marym625 Apr 2015 #104

... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #106

Worse is her IWR vote and "we came, we saw he died" Libya quip. morningfog Apr 2015 #121

That "quip" was taken out of context. Beacool Apr 2015 #188

that's something that's been gnawing at me fizzgig Apr 2015 #143

Dear fellow DUers - lest you think I've posted and run, I really have to go to bed scarletwoman Apr 2015 #152

Great thread. Really got the juices flowing today. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #265

(Maybe she's got hold of his nuts......) lastlib Apr 2015 #157

Was that before or after she led the crowd Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #166

Aaah! That is one disturbing mental image. 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #168

Almost as outrageous as this: geek tragedy Apr 2015 #174

OMG--that's some SERIOUS "cozying up" to "a mass murderer!!" Where are the outraged threads? MADem Apr 2015 #178

They were world leaders and allies in a global war. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #235

Clinton never worked with or for Henry Kissinger. The dynamic most certainly is NOT the same MADem Apr 2015 #254

I'm "exorcised" about status quo politicians? ronnie624 Apr 2015 #269

"She certainly agrees with it," you say--as if you know this. MADem Apr 2015 #276

I can't wait ronnie624 Apr 2015 #281

We all know you hate FDR. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #262

Neither of those countries could have ever invaded the US. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #272

Excuse me? You kind of missed the point nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #316

What did Henry do that ever made his so popular with the elected types anyway? Rex Apr 2015 #216

Good question Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #258

It's possible to learn from people's successes AND their fuck-ups. MADem Apr 2015 #285

Thank you G_j Apr 2015 #222

Hillary Clinton Calls Henry Kissinger a Friend, Praises His Commitment to Democracy totodeinhere Apr 2015 #223

You realize you quote a paragraph where it says they don't agree all that often? Agschmid Apr 2015 #228

I read the entire article. The operative phrase is "Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his totodeinhere Apr 2015 #234

I'm afraid you're correct. MADem Apr 2015 #260

As I told the other poster, I read the entire article. The article says that she called Kissinger totodeinhere Apr 2015 #308

He's been convicted of nothing. When you fling that "war criminal" rubric around when there's been MADem Apr 2015 #358

The case against Kissinger is airtight. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #387

"Intellectual and mental contortions?" You should know. MADem Apr 2015 #391

The concept of a fair trial belongs in a courtroom, ronnie624 Apr 2015 #468

You got that right...and it's in a courtroom where "criminality" is decided. MADem Apr 2015 #471

I don't believe he will ever be charged either. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #479

No straw at all--I believe in rule of law, you--by your own comments--don't. MADem Apr 2015 #480

* ronnie624 Apr 2015 #482

Asterisk and emoticon aside, I stand by my remarks--you either believe in rule of law, or you don't. MADem Apr 2015 #483

My remarks actually make it clear that I believe in the rule of law. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #485

Well, I could say the same about your comments. MADem Apr 2015 #486

That doesn't even make any sense. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2015 #487

though we have often seen the world and our challenges quite differently treestar Apr 2015 #264

And of course he is also a war criminal which is apparently fine with Clinton. Otherwise totodeinhere Apr 2015 #309

No that's Saul Alinsky type stuff treestar Apr 2015 #328

Sometimes, Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #225

All you have to do is hold your nose and forget the dead, the tortured, and the homeless. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #247

And stock your bunker with a 20-year supply of canned goods in preperation for the coming wars. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #259

So dumb treestar Apr 2015 #252

Ever hear of Operation Condor? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #273

You blame him for those things? treestar Apr 2015 #325

How quickly people forget the murdered...and their murderers peequod Apr 2015 #291

Really then how come no one else blames him for it treestar Apr 2015 #326

In this specific case, yes peequod Apr 2015 #441

not knowing history G_j Apr 2015 #299

Or not agreeing with your interpretation of history treestar Apr 2015 #327

well that's convenient for a lot of people G_j Apr 2015 #335

A war criminal is a person convicted of war crimes treestar Apr 2015 #355

OK, for you, G_j Apr 2015 #361

Is it possible to disagree with someone, and even think they are evil treestar Apr 2015 #366

FYI, G_j Apr 2015 #371

That's not a real trial treestar Apr 2015 #398

You are reaching, but missing. bvar22 Apr 2015 #475

Maybe treestar was not around then or doesn't read any books about contemporary history. Rex Apr 2015 #484

One word for you: Yalta. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #289

Yalta was a wartime strategy meeting Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #314

The truth is the truth n/t malaise Apr 2015 #292

The All Hillary All The Time marym625 Apr 2015 #301

Nothing wrong with GOOD arguments. This isn't one. Adrahil Apr 2015 #302

I am advocating for good argument, discussion. 100% marym625 Apr 2015 #305

Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #330

Yes. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #303

So many truly great people you can't support due to the simplicity of your mindset. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #339

This ^^^ treestar Apr 2015 #411

politics is what politics is Douglas Carpenter Apr 2015 #353

And there is more. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #356

...! KoKo Apr 2015 #388

I used to based my presidential preferences on a little more than a picture, too. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #369

I hear that!!!!!! heaven05 Apr 2015 #375

Hillary Clinton’s Progressive Problem explained..... LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #376

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Faux pas Apr 2015 #380

I Agree' Lunabell Apr 2015 #383

Yeah, fuck those people that cozy up to mass murderers... Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #384

If I was to not vote for a democrat who has stood next to Kissinger and smiled LynneSin Apr 2015 #392

Agreed. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #393

I'm starting to like Hillary even more because of the haters here at DU LynneSin Apr 2015 #440

I didn't know Carter was running for President!!!! bvar22 Apr 2015 #474

No, he was just a sitting president. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #478

I'm not happy, just ask Mr. Soros. saidsimplesimon Apr 2015 #385

Does the Democratic Party realize how vulnerable they are to losing if HRC is the nominee? dirtydickcheney Apr 2015 #395

I would love to vote FOR a Dem, instead of AGAINST a Repub. riqster Apr 2015 #399

Thanks scarlet! All these yrs later & the party's still on... countryjake Apr 2015 #404

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #405

So two disparate political figures hug. Really? That's your criterion? DrBulldog Apr 2015 #416

I hate people who want IT ALL. Cheviteau Apr 2015 #419

Post of the YEAR , CLASSIC guilt by association! ALL American politicians NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #426

America was built upon mass murder Yavin4 Apr 2015 #427

NO! bvar22 Apr 2015 #489

rec'd, but I disagree with you.... mike_c Apr 2015 #429

i love Hillary. I hate kissinger. he's a piece of shit and you are right a mass murderer. samsingh Apr 2015 #442

I feel the same way. blackspade Apr 2015 #443

Yep. Thespian2 Apr 2015 #445

I'm with you!! rury Apr 2015 #446

That IS the thing, scarletwoman. Octafish Apr 2015 #450

! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #457

Foreign policy is HRC's bete noire, and I'm very interested in hearing how her views ucrdem Apr 2015 #455

welcome to neo feudalism wundermaus Apr 2015 #476