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paulbibeau

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35. You're pointing out some important stuff here.

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 07:51 AM

Apr 2015

If there's a way to get someone better, someone like Warren into the race, then yes, we should do that.

And I do wonder to what degree she can be moved. That does bother me.

My OP was a way to sort of organize my own thoughts about what I can do, and what's important. I thought it would connect with others. I also want to challenge people who argue that either:

1) We should all get behind Hillary and just be pleased as punch someone with a D after the name got the big seat. That is NEVER the only issue.

or

2) We should all act like there wouldn't be a difference between Hillary and Bush. Or Cruz. Or Rubio.

I disagree strenuously with both of those ideas, and I want to avoid this kind of thinking.

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gawd this is depressing.... mike_c Apr 2015 #1

sounds very progressive don't it? n/t PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #2

There isn't much progressive about watching social issues justiceischeap Apr 2015 #4

Boom. Yes. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #6

Yup. Sometimes progress is measured one inch at a time. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #26

Yeah. There's that. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #3

The advancement of Gay Rights during the Obama Administration... bvar22 Apr 2015 #81

I completely agree with you. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #82

Your ideas make me smile......in agreement. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #5

A lot of doughy, old white men... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #7

And I hope they'll dissolve into nothingness... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #8

Oh Lord that would be nice. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #12

how about congress members and other state and local officials JI7 Apr 2015 #9

Not me I like coronations, Primaries are just a waste of time. bahrbearian Apr 2015 #10

Did you forget the "sarcasm" smiley? CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #11

I have to agree with the last treestar Apr 2015 #13

There always was sexism behind it, yes. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #16

I'll support her liberal policies and differ to the cynics for criticism. joshcryer Apr 2015 #14

Expect alert swarms. L0oniX Apr 2015 #15

I know. And I never understand that. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #18

Debate is a good thing. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #17

Debate's ALWAYS a good thing. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #19

Make the liberal case, yes! dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #33

You're pointing out some important stuff here. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #35

Terrific post! RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #20

Bill Hicks was a great American. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #21

You'll get no disagreements from me on that! RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #23

And, this is how the people VOTE ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #29

And on "extreme left" issues Americans voted directly in a bipartisan fashion FOR them... cascadiance Apr 2015 #57

All while elected State Houses that openly represent the opposite ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #61

And the big media supported the corporate candidates that were the only ones heard... cascadiance Apr 2015 #67

If people don't get off their asses leftynyc Apr 2015 #38

I wish I could tattoo your statement on everybody's face backwards... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2015 #79

No - I really don't leftynyc Apr 2015 #80

What about after she gets the nomination until election day? DCBob Apr 2015 #24

I'll always tell people who I'm voting for... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #25

Seems you dont really care who ultimately wins. DCBob Apr 2015 #31

Your first statement is silly. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #34

A hatrick of sillier responses. DCBob Apr 2015 #47

I made four statements. Learn your sports metaphors. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #48

waste of effort. DCBob Apr 2015 #60

And yet, you're still commenting. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #64

Wouldn't you pre-General Election time ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #27

Not really. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #28

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #30

Well, woo for you. realFedUp Apr 2015 #32

The fact that you needed to comment shows your error. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author bahrbearian Apr 2015 #42

Ad hominem arguments mean I'm doing something right. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #43

Sounds like a realistic plan. Thanks. nt pnwmom Apr 2015 #37

Yeah. I wanted to sort it all out for myself, and I thought people might connect with it. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #44

I often wonder.... Novara Apr 2015 #39

And ultimately, I don't know that... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #41

I agree. Raise hell.... Novara Apr 2015 #45

Sigh. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #46

sounds like a miserable existence lame54 Apr 2015 #49

Good! ananda Apr 2015 #50

Yes. Plus there is a primary. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #51

Another way to look at it... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #52

And the wealth gap remains the same. WillTwain Apr 2015 #53

whether someone believes her or not, HRC has said her vote and the Iraq war was a mistake. She has still_one Apr 2015 #54

These are all good points. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #55

Criticizing is appropriate exercise of our rights, and to influence people still_one Apr 2015 #63

Yes. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #66

Of course still_one Apr 2015 #70

Great post! nevergiveup Apr 2015 #56

Agreed. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #58

Also, Mark Twain is RIGHTEOUS. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #59

Whoopdee-freakin'-doo...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #62

Sid! paulbibeau Apr 2015 #65

Well, we can't all have your alleged writing prowess...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #72

I've alleged nothing of the sort. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #73

Sounds fair to me. Jamastiene Apr 2015 #68

Thanks. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #69

I'm pretty sure the flame icon isn't about the post being controversial mythology Apr 2015 #71

Yeah, but I've also read the responses... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #74

I like your attitude. qwlauren35 Apr 2015 #75

Yeah. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #77

Tread lightly as it seems the 'purge' of hillary detractors started yesterday. I guess the primary Purveyor Apr 2015 #76

Paul is 75 miles away from Chicago, heading toward that city... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #78