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219. It's a good try Skinner but for those with closed ears they won't hear it

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:01 AM

Apr 2015

I'm still on the fence but only because I like to shop around and see who else is out there (ie Biden).

But I know I have no issues voting for Hillary for the general election or even my primary if my first choice (Biden) isn't available.

I know Hillary has baggage, that's a given. But I know Hillary has alot of good for her too. But I think because she is a woman it's that baggage that gets front and center stage over all the great work she has done in her lifetime. A lesser woman would have crumpled and I think for some people it pisses them to no end that Hillary hasn't done just that. And I'm not talking about the right-wing folks, I'm talking about 'progressives' here on the board who expect Hillary to start crying like a girl, crumpling under the pressure of all the negativity we toss at her. So they keep hating on her because she won't shed a tear but stands tall anyways.

I wish I had half the strength that Hillary has. She's been through hell and back by people from both sides of the political spectrum and yet she still fights.

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An Unabashedly Liberal Hillary Clinton [View all] Skinner Apr 2015 OP

There is so much more to being President than economic issues. MineralMan Apr 2015 #1

This is one video. I bet more are coming. Auggie Apr 2015 #4

Oh, yes. Many more. And each will be dissected MineralMan Apr 2015 #20

How about her voting for Bush's illegal war? Does that embarrass you? Dawgs Apr 2015 #7

That particular vote? No. Many Democrats I support MineralMan Apr 2015 #14

No one I know believed that WMD bs, yet she advocated for that war, not just voted it. merrily Apr 2015 #42

I opposed the Iraq war from the very beginning. MineralMan Apr 2015 #45

Looking ahead is good; so is looking back, otherwise nothing changes. mahannah Apr 2015 #58

Just a thought quakerboy Apr 2015 #186

I'm quite sure she will have to address that. MineralMan Apr 2015 #190

Extremely unlikely quakerboy Apr 2015 #196

It's actually neither, I think. DanTex Apr 2015 #191

You say neither, but then explain the second quakerboy Apr 2015 #197

Somewhere out there, there is a video of a Code Pink encounter about our invading Iraq. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #66

Is this it? I don't have sound on this computer so I don't know what they're saying arcane1 Apr 2015 #82

Yes. Hillary did not listen to the wisdom of the Code Pink women. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #104

I'll have to check it out later. Last week I rewatched her speech announcing her vote arcane1 Apr 2015 #111

It was a sickening example of brazen political expediency RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #120

You are so right. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #169

Great post. And I'd love to see Warren run. RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #180

Mr. Priestly, you have hit the nail directly on the head AikidoSoul Apr 2015 #187

Has she actually referred to her IWR vote as a "mistake"? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #165

Yes. But that's like a politician who dismisses something she did last year... RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #172

It's not about what she does it is about what she says. zeemike Apr 2015 #26

DU is proof of that. merrily Apr 2015 #32

It is probably those here who are not affected by the actions. zeemike Apr 2015 #36

That's true of some here. Some are in desperate situations. merrily Apr 2015 #39

Huge mistake, but, do you know a republican who is running who would have voted NO and NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #52

No, but I know many Democrats that are better than Hillary on that vote, and.. Dawgs Apr 2015 #55

Like who, who actually voted? NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #56

There are some that weren't in the Senate that I support. Dawgs Apr 2015 #92

I just heard a story about Hillary making me an even bigger supporter now NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #138

Not surprised. n/t Dawgs Apr 2015 #142

and it was what please? irisblue Apr 2015 #174

here NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #181

How about moving on? Can you manage that? vlyons Apr 2015 #59

Are you seriously telling me that I can't use her record to make a judgement? Dawgs Apr 2015 #63

so basically, you can't move on vlyons Apr 2015 #114

That one "mistake" cost our nation untold billions of dollars and thousands of lives derby378 Apr 2015 #168

But is punishing her for that 14 years later treestar Apr 2015 #184

This has nothing to do with "punishing" Hillary Martin Eden Apr 2015 #216

well if a person makes one mistake treestar Apr 2015 #221

Utterly false equivalency Martin Eden Apr 2015 #226

It's a question of proof of judgment. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #74

Tell that to the troops! arcane1 Apr 2015 #117

amen demigoddess Apr 2015 #158

Let's look at some of these things then. rpannier Apr 2015 #195

Anyone who questions Hillary Clinton's policy choices is a troll? davidpdx Apr 2015 #210

They believe that. Chan790 Apr 2015 #224

Yeah, well that kind of behavior should not be allowed on DU davidpdx Apr 2015 #228

I don't disagree. n/t Chan790 Apr 2015 #230

Can I join? lark Apr 2015 #60

Hillary forever lost my vote with that ... Martin Eden Apr 2015 #62

I understand the sentiment, but the question becomes, how do you know that a new candidate okaawhatever Apr 2015 #139

The choice is between someone who has PROVEN to be UNFIT for office ... Martin Eden Apr 2015 #155

Next year's election campaign will be about more than a single issue (14 years ago) or... George II Apr 2015 #64

Ask all the dead and wounded if that "one vote" 14 years ago should be forgotten. Dawgs Apr 2015 #67

NOBODY said it should be forgotten! But to base an opinion of a candidate on one single... George II Apr 2015 #75

OK. I also blame her for her support of TPP, silence on Keystone, and friendliness with Wall Street. Dawgs Apr 2015 #89

And unless she apologies for and says she's changed her stance on this issue... cascadiance Apr 2015 #126

Bernie, Feingold and others were smart enough to vote and fight against it. Dawgs Apr 2015 #91

Are you including FDR and HST in that? Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #136

Yep. It was the one fault I could find with FDR. Dawgs Apr 2015 #143

So, even when your country is attacked, no war should be declared? Starboard Tack Apr 2015 #154

Yeah, we really should have overlooked that little thing like the attack on Pearl Harbor. George II Apr 2015 #175

So he lost your vote forever then treestar Apr 2015 #185

TPP, Wall Street, oh there are lots of issues... Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #98

It was the biggest foreign policy clusterfuck in half a century. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #166

It was a bad decision, but she has acknowledged that. I can accept that. n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #202

I would have liked to have heard/seen more of HRC's liberalism prior to this erronis Apr 2015 #23

Oh, she won't be quiet now. MineralMan Apr 2015 #25

I totally agree with your approach. Much to listen to and analyze. [eom] erronis Apr 2015 #65

Actually, I think economic issues have been getting too little attention by dems whathehell Apr 2015 #78

Thanks, Sid. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #2

LOL. n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #17

!!!! BumRushDaShow Apr 2015 #50

... William769 Apr 2015 #53

hahahah JI7 Apr 2015 #146

I like this Hillary better and although... TreasonousBastard Apr 2015 #3

11th liberal recommendation! n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #5

I believe Clinton will position herself as continuing on and building upon the legacy of the Peace President. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #6

I get the very same impression....a stark contrast to the RW warmongers n/t Sheepshank Apr 2015 #34

K&R Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #8

socially liberal is, as I see it, one leg of a three legged platform cali Apr 2015 #9

We're winning the cultural war on some fronts (gay rights) but losing on others (women's rights) Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #30

And don't forget: education. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #79

It's also the way that is most different than the republicans arcane1 Apr 2015 #87

This. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #103

This LittleBlue Apr 2015 #140

K&R! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #10

That logo is rather pretty which in my eyes means moving forward Iliyah Apr 2015 #28

Watch it without audio and look only at the images. This is a video of the Democratic Party. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #11

As she begins her campaign trail more and more of the issues she is an advocate will Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #12

I did not think the announcement video was at all effective. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #83

Are you saying you did not see anything is the video? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #86

Branding works best when the association is emotional vs logical arcane1 Apr 2015 #94

I agree whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #101

I lived in Hollywood (De longpre and Highland) and thought the video rocks... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #194

If one calls Los Angeles their home, they are not impressed with "I lived in Hollywood" U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #229

I was rebutting the proposition that living in L A makes one a video critic DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #231

So you lied instead of making your point directly? U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #232

Lied about what... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #233

nice story brah U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #234

Are you calling me a liar, brah? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #235

That's along bus ride from Asstucky. U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #236

So you disrespect strangers, make false allegations and hide behind a peace sign. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #237

Welcome to L.A....you've gotta visit some day. U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #238

I have been here since 3/12 DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #239

OMG, here that long? Hey if you say so... U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #240

You started our discussion by calling me a liar... It's all here for anybody to see... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #241

I wouldn't do that...you've made this thread waaay too fun. U4ikLefty Apr 2015 #242

What comedic challenge ? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #243

YASSS! KNR! JaneyVee Apr 2015 #13

Could be another FDR. Basic LA Apr 2015 #15

FDR Geronimoe Apr 2015 #24

You will know them by their works. zeemike Apr 2015 #31

are you being "shat on" right now? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #72

No I am not a victim. zeemike Apr 2015 #88

a victim of what? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #108

Of being shat on by the profoundly wealthy and the political insiders. zeemike Apr 2015 #113

and who is doing this "shatting" among Democrats? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #160

Why keep asking questions you are not going to like the answers to? zeemike Apr 2015 #167

Thank you. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #84

Facts, just the facts, please. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #90

I've heard that one before. I didn't like the punchline very much. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #106

jesus h Christ Doctor_J Apr 2015 #207

Hillary needs to preemptively take on the RW smearing of the President. He's not running and kelliekat44 Apr 2015 #16

This LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #73

The 2 things for me GusBob Apr 2015 #18

These are my concerns, as well. A strong Democratic turnout will turn the Senate back to BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #35

I echo a poster's comment in your other thread BainsBane Apr 2015 #19

Hope and Change 2.0. jalan48 Apr 2015 #21

sounds like she's doing exactly what both Barack and W. did: paulkienitz Apr 2015 #22

She's echoed Warren a number of times. merrily Apr 2015 #33

K & R. (and welcome back, Skinner.) n/t FSogol Apr 2015 #27

We Liberals await her (updated) position on the TPP MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #29

And why did she vote for the Iraq War Resolution? RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #37

And you will certainly hear them. MineralMan Apr 2015 #38

Silly Manny! Still going on about the pesky little trade thingie. RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #43

I'm sorry. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #44

. Rex Apr 2015 #123

How many liberals are aligned with the points of view whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #69

Weak. I was banned at FR in 2006 for "anti-Freeping" MineralMan Apr 2015 #97

Am I reading your response correctly? whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #102

I've edited the title. MineralMan Apr 2015 #105

. Rex Apr 2015 #124

I was banned from FR after just one post! MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #137

I'm not sure how that's relevant. MineralMan Apr 2015 #189

I didn't... but since you're so concerned about it MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #192

Please proceed as you choose, then. MineralMan Apr 2015 #193

He was a member at that dump? BeanMusical Apr 2015 #208

Yes he is...a little too free with the We LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #95

Well done. LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #214

+ a million. Exceptionally well said Number23 Apr 2015 #157

Does "unabashedly liberal" refer to a philosophical position or is it merely image? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #40

The question is which version of her is the real one? Fearless Apr 2015 #41

She needs a challenge from real liberals SHRED Apr 2015 #46

Her rhetoric suggests that she expects one. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #109

I think Sanders will, but there is no way he'll get the money davidpdx Apr 2015 #211

Gotta love her libodem Apr 2015 #47

She is being politically wise and savy. nevergiveup Apr 2015 #49

she belongs to you maybe? Not to me. Her record stinks. dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #71

LOL! Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #85

It's striking that the article treats her as a complete political weather vane. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #48

That's the Clinton MO. LuvNewcastle Apr 2015 #215

Thank for this Skinner. William769 Apr 2015 #51

I imagine you'd say I have none whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #54

Her rhetoric may be liberal, her actions? Not so much. [n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #57

When she was in the Senate she had one of the most liberal records there. pnwmom Apr 2015 #61

Liberal? Hillary? Is that a sick joke? dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #68

Her advisers may be thinking that she needs to run to the left in order to try to totodeinhere Apr 2015 #70

She's an unabashed hawk on foreign policy. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #76

Also, she co-sponsored (twice!) legislation that would've criminalized flag-burning. RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #81

FWIW, the story was that she was blocking a Constitutional amendment doing the same thing. merrily Apr 2015 #107

You weren't alone in not buying it RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #112

Honestly, I did not know what anyone said about it. It just made no sense to me. merrily Apr 2015 #115

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #110

...really? Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #164

I'm afraid so. Some have explained it away as three-dimensional chess... RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #170

Interesting. I must have forgotten that chapter. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #171

Yup. It demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of the First Amendment RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #176

Fascinating 99Forever Apr 2015 #77

Hillary still has some 'splainin' to do. Ford_Prefect Apr 2015 #80

I don't think the country's all that more liberal. I just think the Democrats are Bucky Apr 2015 #93

Roberto Micheletti was Liberal too! MisterP Apr 2015 #96

THIS: "America, as seen by Hillary and the people advising her, is a lot further left than it was calimary Apr 2015 #99

Heretic! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #100

(snicker) BKH70041 Apr 2015 #116

I find her very likable. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #118

I just find it interesting after 23 years they're still having to define who she is. BKH70041 Apr 2015 #119

Yet she is doing very well in thd polls for the nomination and general. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #121

Maybe the public is responding based mainly on recognition and doesn't really give a damn yet RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #128

Or maybe they trust her to do the job. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #129

"Isn't it pretty to think so." RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #131

Because it is so. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #132

For all his many flaws, her husband seemed to have a genuine ability to connect with people RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #125

At least you get it. BKH70041 Apr 2015 #198

"after 23 years they're still having to define who she is" George II Apr 2015 #148

Desirable? turn off? Well isn't that special..... bettyellen Apr 2015 #182

so...she's going to stop trying to privatize public education, stop Wall St. bailouts and slaps on yurbud Apr 2015 #122

Quit pestering her with minutiae, yurbud. The talking point is that she's a liberal. RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #127

liberal is what Democrats crave... yurbud Apr 2015 #133

All of it is kabuki theater. Maedhros Apr 2015 #156

With some of the responses here, before long someone will come out against her because.... George II Apr 2015 #130

You forgot the sarcasm smiley RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #135

What was the text of that amendment and the context in which the vote was taken? George II Apr 2015 #141

Are you asking me to do your research for you? RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #145

No, but if one doesn't know the background behind a Senator's vote, how can one.... George II Apr 2015 #147

I just did a little research. As I surmised, it turned out to be a relatively benign vote. George II Apr 2015 #144

U.S. is a major financer of cluster bombs RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #149

Was a ban on financing cluster bombs in the amendment? Again, the text and context would be useful. George II Apr 2015 #150

Frankly, I don't need additional reasons to oppose a Clinton candidacy RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #152

One last time, without knowing what was in that amendment (was anything else attached to it?).... George II Apr 2015 #162

I will need more than one video. She said all of the good things but I would rather totodeinhere Apr 2015 #134

Advertising. Hillary Clinton is not a liberal. Marr Apr 2015 #151

and that seems to suggest Hillary is supportive of the policies the Obama administration started still_one Apr 2015 #153

I'm not sure if putting a some gay couples in her video indicates a sea change on the issues. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #159

You porpoisely made her leaning to the left in that pic...which from her POV means Rex Apr 2015 #161

lol! Cha Apr 2015 #213

She knows she has a long way to go to shore up the Liberal Left Ruby the Liberal Apr 2015 #163

Hillary, unabashedly liberal- inevitable. Alkene Apr 2015 #173

:) raindaddy Apr 2015 #225

! whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #227

I will never forgive her support for the IWR and invasion of Iraq.... mike_c Apr 2015 #177

They all say anything to get elected, then go back on every single promise. alarimer Apr 2015 #178

If Hillary Clinton is a liberal MissDeeds Apr 2015 #179

Hey. If Obama's a socialist, it could be! n/t RufusTFirefly Apr 2015 #200

Thank you. RiverLover Apr 2015 #217

Unconvinced rpannier Apr 2015 #183

k&r... spanone Apr 2015 #188

damn. it's like we already had the primary. nt m-lekktor Apr 2015 #199

Exactly MissDeeds Apr 2015 #218

Her supporters are seriously "aggresive". m-lekktor Apr 2015 #220

HRC - The Manchurian Wall Street Candidate - The 99% Money Will Never Be Safe Again cantbeserious Apr 2015 #201

With 574 days to go until Election 2016 Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2015 #203

I guess that the Liberal of 2015 RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #204

Campaign promises? Pfft. blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #205

some of the mainstream rags are giving the onion a run for its money these days Doctor_J Apr 2015 #206

+1 BeanMusical Apr 2015 #209

K&R McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #212

It's a good try Skinner but for those with closed ears they won't hear it LynneSin Apr 2015 #219

Encouraging, But.... colsohlibgal Apr 2015 #222

The 1% doesn't care about gay marriage, women's right to choose ,ect, ect, ect raindaddy Apr 2015 #223