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eomer

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11. Where did the creative force come from?
Sun May 6, 2012, 06:47 AM
May 2012

The universe inarguably exists but that doesn't prove, to me, that a creative force exists. Because the existence of the creative force, by the same logic, would prove the existence of a predecessor creative force. And so on, ad infinitum, (turtles all the way down) an infinite series of creative forces that each proves its own predecessor.

The only way to avoid this infinite series is to conclude that something just is, without us being able to explain where it came from. And if we become convinced of that, then the best candidate for the thing that just is is the universe, since we can see that it is.

The competing theory of one creator that just is (with or without additional intermediary creators that were created by predecessors) solves no problem that's not more simply solved by the theory that the universe just is. So Occam's razor would tell us to prefer the simpler explanation that the universe just is, without needing to have come from some creative force.

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K & R snagglepuss May 2012 #1
Appeals to simplistic metaphors & "common sense" often signal a problem. DirkGently May 2012 #2
hmm... chervilant May 2012 #6
Where did the creative force come from? eomer May 2012 #11
Occam's razor... chervilant May 2012 #12
Occam's Razor, according to Wikipedia... eomer May 2012 #13
K.I.S.S. chervilant May 2012 #14
The implications panopeagenerosa May 2012 #3
Another example - try applying "common sense" to quantum mechanics bhikkhu May 2012 #4
A clearer example is geocentrism. Jim Lane May 2012 #8
I think the biggest part of the problem drm604 May 2012 #5
A brave man, Mr. Krugman... chervilant May 2012 #7
Growing up Rittermeister May 2012 #9
K&R. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #10
I can't believe I'm DURec'ing this. KG May 2012 #15
Most people are concrete thinkers who can't underastand... Odin2005 May 2012 #16
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