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H2O Man

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4. Glad to.

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 12:12 PM

Apr 2015

In my opinion, a very good case can be made for supporting Hillary Clinton. Likewise, a very good case can be made for not supporting her. The DU community would benefit from discussing those two issues.

However, while a good case can be made for the fact that, from time to time, a politician may appear on the same stage as some toxic republicans -- and where the politician should behave in a civil manner -- no good case can be made that Henry Kissinger is a good man. He's not. He is, by definition and reality, a war criminal, just as surely as Dick Cheney is. Those who claim otherwise do not add value to the conversations here. Indeed, the basic differences in character should always be presented as an ethical reason to vote for Democrats.

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The Banality of Henry Kissinger [View all] H2O Man Apr 2015 OP

K&R Tom Ripley Apr 2015 #1

Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #3

K&R Octafish Apr 2015 #2

Glad to. H2O Man Apr 2015 #4

Kissinger doesn't think Democracy should apply to the Little People Octafish Apr 2015 #150

appreciate your insights...k&r spanone Apr 2015 #5

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #8

i favor the same, thank you for expressing it in such an eloquent way. spanone Apr 2015 #26

Hillary Didn't Just "Meet" Kissinger billhicks76 Apr 2015 #135

Well said. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #136

I find it very hard to overlook. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #138

Impossible To Overlook billhicks76 Apr 2015 #143

Reminds me of an old saying MissDeeds Apr 2015 #144

Well said BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #6

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #9

if nothing else, G_j Apr 2015 #7

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #10

Nice post H2O Man. bluesbassman Apr 2015 #11

Exactly right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #15

K&R JEB Apr 2015 #12

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #16

Thanks for this thread. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #13

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #19

Very true Blue_Adept Apr 2015 #14

Great point. H2O Man Apr 2015 #20

Is it generational, or a burying of inconvenient history? Not dismissing your comment, but in my sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #28

There is some of both. H2O Man Apr 2015 #36

Oh I agree that some people DO ignore war crimes, when it suits their purposes. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #63

Exactly. H2O Man Apr 2015 #121

The problem is, it wasn't just that she met him casually and was just being polite. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #123

Good post Scootaloo Apr 2015 #129

A lot people avoided the thread altogethether. Jetboy Apr 2015 #17

If a person is H2O Man Apr 2015 #23

The words typed and posted are important, who did the typing is not. Jetboy Apr 2015 #49

Referring to a long time DUer as a "snarky pretentious troll" doesn't do much for civility either. dflprincess Apr 2015 #122

Who needs to be familiar with anything but the words posted? Jetboy Apr 2015 #124

Your words H2O Man Apr 2015 #145

What she got was over a hundred recs, the last time I looked which says that a whole lot of people sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #164

Hat tip for the allusion to Hannah Arendt's phrase-coining title KingCharlemagne Apr 2015 #18

It seemed the H2O Man Apr 2015 #24

Thank you for coming to the defense of a fellow liberal... Oilwellian Apr 2015 #21

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #27

He was a friend of Pinochet. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #31

Very similar to the right wing coup Hillary supported in Honduras while SOS n/t Oilwellian Apr 2015 #54

All the more pathetic, forest444 Apr 2015 #146

Thanks I wasn't aware of all that history re Pinnochet and the Nazis. But NOTHING that vile excuse sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #160

Ah, the human condition. forest444 Apr 2015 #163

....1! & Video KoKo Apr 2015 #45

a fellow "liberal" who portrayed Hillary and her "cozy relationship" with Kissinger dishonestly. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #53

Hillary's own words Oilwellian Apr 2015 #56

What was dishonest about the portrayal? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #61

Hillary is COZY with a mass murderer (Kissinger). It is a blatant misrepresentation KittyWampus Apr 2015 #64

Really? Do you call people you are not close to your friend? Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #80

Well, that's what Hillary said. So blame Hillary not someone simply repeating what she learned from sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #89

She means "liberal" in the same archaic sense as Kissinger did about Metternich in A World Restored. leveymg Apr 2015 #76

There you go, talking history and common sense again. Whatever will we do with you? Hekate Apr 2015 #22

That's a tough question there. H2O Man Apr 2015 #29

DU has changed. You have not. Neither have I. And maybe I'm an egotist but don't want to 'get away sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #62

I ALWAYS listen to what you have to say here. annabanana Apr 2015 #74

Thank you for expressing these thoughts far better than I'm capable of. This is just bullwinkle428 Apr 2015 #25

Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #32

... Chiyo-chichi Apr 2015 #30

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #34

Recommended democrank Apr 2015 #33

Well said. H2O Man Apr 2015 #43

A good synopsis of events...and support of a fellow DU'r asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #35

Well said. H2O Man Apr 2015 #47

"He is that rare and foul beast, a man whose record shows sympathy for communism and fascism. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #37

"Henry Kissinger should have the door shut in his face by every decent person and should be shamed, geek tragedy Apr 2015 #38

+1000 Tom Ripley Apr 2015 #70

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #78

A man who celebrates the absence of humanity from his life's work. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #79

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #82

I absolutely agree and especially with the suggestion in one of your quotes from the article that he sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #92

Sometimes I think I should go to the sports forum too zeemike Apr 2015 #39

There are fewer H2O Man Apr 2015 #81

Lol...I can't imagine anyone wanting to argue with you about boxing. zeemike Apr 2015 #87

I think that H2O Man Apr 2015 #91

K&R marym625 Apr 2015 #40

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #83

Thank you marym625 Apr 2015 #88

DU Rec Martin Eden Apr 2015 #41

Well said. H2O Man Apr 2015 #84

Face it, DU de-evolves into High School when it comes to our pet issues. Rex Apr 2015 #42

Sorry. You made me laugh. I LOVE that title of your post here! calimary Apr 2015 #66

I'm sure most people smile for the camera. Rex Apr 2015 #68

I wonder if we H2O Man Apr 2015 #147

Thanks for putting that in perspective for everyone here. herding cats Apr 2015 #44

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #93

And yet those who support Warren get very testy indeed if anyone dare ask about the fact that she Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #46

She was a registered Republican from 1991 to 1996. Luminous Animal Apr 2015 #85

There are people H2O Man Apr 2015 #94

K/R LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #48

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #95

Thank you. onyourleft Apr 2015 #50

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #96

I am a staunch Clinton supporter and I BlueMTexpat Apr 2015 #51

Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #98

Excellent description! :) eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2015 #134

No, sorry. She clearly said Hillary was COZY w/Kissinger. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #52

Well said. Jetboy Apr 2015 #55

That HRC described war criminal Kissinger as a "defender of human rights" hifiguy Apr 2015 #59

Isn't that bewildering? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #131

Very well said. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #140

Except that she mirrored his actions in Honduras while SOS Oilwellian Apr 2015 #60

For sake of accuracy, H2O Man Apr 2015 #77

You are quick to call someone you disagree with a liar, "LYING about Hillary by showing a photograph rhett o rick Apr 2015 #165

BRAVO! SHRED Apr 2015 #57

Thanks. H2O Man Apr 2015 #99

K&R one_voice Apr 2015 #58

Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #100

I was merely pushing back on the idea that treestar Apr 2015 #65

That there are H2O Man Apr 2015 #72

Well that is dishonest. treestar Apr 2015 #73

Not at all. H2O Man Apr 2015 #75

How many people do you know... stone space Apr 2015 #156

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #162

knr Douglas Carpenter Apr 2015 #67

Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #103

Absolutely! Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #69

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #104

Thank you! countryjake Apr 2015 #71

Thanks, countryjake! H2O Man Apr 2015 #105

They don't allow for differeces in opinion fadedrose Apr 2015 #86

Right. H2O Man Apr 2015 #107

I'm often favorably impressed with your posts. This is one of your best. Thanks H2O Man. Scuba Apr 2015 #90

Wow, thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #109

EVERYONE in washingtom calls people from the other side Pathwalker Apr 2015 #97

I tend to talk H2O Man Apr 2015 #111

I cannot recommend this post enough... dhill926 Apr 2015 #101

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #112

Great OP, my friend. She is a voice of reason babylonsister Apr 2015 #102

Well, thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #113

K & R !!! Thespian2 Apr 2015 #106

Right! H2O Man Apr 2015 #114

I recently read k's book.... PosterChild Apr 2015 #108

The US's role in H2O Man Apr 2015 #116

PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #141

You definitely have... PosterChild Apr 2015 #166

Very well said WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2015 #110

And that's his good side! H2O Man Apr 2015 #118

Dear H2O Man - thank you for your kind words, and most of all for your generous compassion for all. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #115

I believe the exact H2O Man Apr 2015 #119

I'm the same age as well... OKNancy Apr 2015 #117

Oh, I agree with you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #120

our son had to shake the hand of Donald Rumsfeld indivisibleman Apr 2015 #125

No better reason H2O Man Apr 2015 #148

He should place iron bars on that side of his property. n/t indivisibleman Apr 2015 #167

But Mr. Kissinger said in his book that H. Clinton contacted him for advice while Secretary rhett o rick Apr 2015 #126

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #149

And thank you for the kind words. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #159

An unfortunate amount H2O Man Apr 2015 #161

It's not just your generation Scootaloo Apr 2015 #127

Well said. H2O Man Apr 2015 #151

Direct from the pages of the Republican Playbook??? lexington filly Apr 2015 #128

Guilt by association goes back to at least McCarthy. Jetboy Apr 2015 #130

Jeremiah Wright never napalmed anyone Scootaloo Apr 2015 #132

Not at all. H2O Man Apr 2015 #152

Thank you... Change has come Apr 2015 #133

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #153

Kicked Enthusiast Apr 2015 #137

Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #154

As I said in that thread - if I refused to vote for any Dem who posed with Kissinger... LynneSin Apr 2015 #139

Very good. H2O Man Apr 2015 #155

You must skip half my posts then LynneSin Apr 2015 #158

The guilt by association crowd is pretty strong. malthaussen Apr 2015 #142

Really well said! H2O Man Apr 2015 #157