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fadedrose

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26. It's a matter of what you call "poor"

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:20 PM

Apr 2015

and what I call "poor."

I don't think that $95,000 is middle class.

Some people on SS, SD, Welfare, Unemployment Insurance, below-cost-of-living jobs, people who were wiped out by college loans or health costs, would be considered "poor" to me.

Many will vote Democratic because they trust Democrats to look after these social programs, but .....

Let me know how many of these votes she'll get AFTER she answers questions as to what to do about these social programs. And tax cuts for the rich, etc. There's a lot of Wall Street contributing on that list. Will she lose their support if she supports these programs, and if not, will it be because they know she's winking at them with a not-to-worry expression about agreements made beforehand.

No proof, just a bit of speculating, which is not the same as making things up. What else do you want to talk about?

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Hillary Clinton vs Bernie Sanders top donors compared [View all] Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 OP

k&r polichick Apr 2015 #1

+1. K & R appalachiablue Apr 2015 #2

Really has nothing to do with Hillary or Sanders. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #3

Exactly. The way the system is setup today unless you have money for your campaign you will face an still_one Apr 2015 #8

Somehow it needs to be gotten a hold of. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #12

That all depends on who is included in your definition of "we". staggerleem Apr 2015 #124

I saw this chart yesterday arikara Apr 2015 #130

Reforms determined by whom tho? fadedrose Apr 2015 #20

Hillary's donors -- all corporate and law firms that JDPriestly Apr 2015 #57

He is a senator from VT... Agschmid Apr 2015 #62

You really think that's the reason? MattSh Apr 2015 #84

It sure is a BIG part of it. Agschmid Apr 2015 #85

You don't think most of them know she is no longer a New York Senator and is now powerless? A Simple Game Apr 2015 #97

Are you aware open secrets reports groups INDIVIDUAL PERSONAL DONATIONS by their employer? emulatorloo Apr 2015 #70

Not entirely Depaysement Apr 2015 #79

Yep, there are two columns. Individual. PAC. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #83

Believe it or not Depaysement Apr 2015 #89

Hillary=corporations Sanders=unions RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #78

You are so right. The apples (1%) love HRC and the oranges (99%) love Sen Sanders. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #120

Bernie has more supporters with less money fadedrose Apr 2015 #4

Actually, Bernie has LESS supporters with less money... brooklynite Apr 2015 #9

This is why I won't withhold my funding from Bernie, I'm not a 1%er but Autumn Apr 2015 #17

Whether you're a 1%er or not, you can't give more that $2700 for the Primary period. brooklynite Apr 2015 #22

Every little bit counts. Autumn Apr 2015 #27

So that is why the largest dollar contributor on those two lists is for $2700, right? salib Apr 2015 #46

Read the fine print... brooklynite Apr 2015 #50

It is more subtle than that. salib Apr 2015 #59

Good points. BlueMTexpat Apr 2015 #88

Hillary has no poor supporters? CreekDog Apr 2015 #16

It's a matter of what you call "poor" fadedrose Apr 2015 #26

You're speculating that Hillary has NO LOW INCOME supporters? CreekDog Apr 2015 #31

I'm not running and it's not up to me to "beat" her fadedrose Apr 2015 #33

So now you're running away from your statement that Hillary has no low income supporters? CreekDog Apr 2015 #37

Sorry, I am never "Right" fadedrose Apr 2015 #39

H. Clinton represents the 1% banksters no matter how you try to twist it. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #121

Most of the poor will be devastated - no, decimated, actually - by a GOP president. freshwest Apr 2015 #142

Bernie's said that he'll base his decision whether or not to declare himself a candidate ... staggerleem Apr 2015 #126

How come I'm not on Bernie's list? mmonk Apr 2015 #5

In effect, these lists show who we're REALLY voting for Maedhros Apr 2015 #6

Eeyup. You have it in one. hifiguy Apr 2015 #45

That's the choice I've been looking for. Go, Bernie!! JEB Apr 2015 #104

... yep 840high Apr 2015 #67

Souls are being sold to the highest bidding banksters. L0oniX Apr 2015 #109

In this part of the campaign, we vote with our wallets. staggerleem Apr 2015 #128

If a small number of bigots can raise $800K in a week for a discriminatory pizza restaurant, Maedhros Apr 2015 #132

The first four comparison tells you all you need to know and I didn't need Autumn Apr 2015 #7

I will vote for Bernie too MissDeeds Apr 2015 #21

When you consider this Autumn Apr 2015 #25

Same here MissDeeds Apr 2015 #28

I do see a trend Douglas Carpenter Apr 2015 #10

these are individuals lumped by where they work? KittyWampus Apr 2015 #11

Yes emulatorloo Apr 2015 #73

So it's just the people who work for the unions? treestar Apr 2015 #90

Not exactly Depaysement Apr 2015 #77

Whats good for Goldman is good for me! bunnies Apr 2015 #13

It should be clear by now that such considerations whatchamacallit Apr 2015 #14

Hillary's donors are a who's who of corporations responsible for the financial collapse LittleBlue Apr 2015 #15

Well THAT tell me a WHOLE lot. 1 (maybe 2 if you count U. CA) out of the top 20 kelly1mm Apr 2015 #18

Says it all really... truebrit71 Apr 2015 #19

I just noticed your avatar arcane1 Apr 2015 #34

Thanks! truebrit71 Apr 2015 #68

see? the numbers don't lie: Hillary is on the side of workers, and the so-called lefty Sanders MisterP Apr 2015 #23

I remember this every time -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #24

This should be a headline article sadoldgirl Apr 2015 #29

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #30

Recommended and bookmarked. nt NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #32

I'm not on the list! William769 Apr 2015 #35

No doubt about who Hillary works for. bvar22 Apr 2015 #36

Don't forget to theaocp Apr 2015 #38

k&r!! PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #40

MUST SEE: 4/8/15 Comedy Central panel @ 12:12 proverbialwisdom Apr 2015 #41

Crap Comparison flying-skeleton Apr 2015 #42

Why? mmonk Apr 2015 #43

Excellent question BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #117

Yes and no dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #86

You miss the point, being that big money banksters love HRC and common people support rhett o rick Apr 2015 #122

The facts do not lie. Maedhros Apr 2015 #127

For sure one thing this shows is Bernie can't raise enough money boston bean Apr 2015 #44

If Bernie were to win the primary, which is certainly possible without billions salib Apr 2015 #47

He would lose all his principled supporters of course. boston bean Apr 2015 #49

Why? salib Apr 2015 #58

Because he would then be "beholden" to the 1%. boston bean Apr 2015 #72

So, you are saying that he cannot raise money without being beholden to the 1%? salib Apr 2015 #100

You're argument would be with other Bernie supporters boston bean Apr 2015 #141

How is it possible to win the Primary without several hundred million dollars? brooklynite Apr 2015 #52

Primaries are not THAT expensive. Please, you do the research this time. salib Apr 2015 #61

Your defeatist, self-fulfilling prophecies are uninspiring. Maedhros Apr 2015 #129

And Republicans go unlisted? world wide wally Apr 2015 #48

I never vote for Republicans. Ever. 99Forever Apr 2015 #95

Here's Mitch McConnell's Career Profile: Maedhros Apr 2015 #131

Then go vote Republican world wide wally Apr 2015 #134

These are career numbers from 1989-2014, Maedhros Apr 2015 #136

If Bernie is going ot run in a 5 to 6 billion dollar election, he better find more donors. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #51

Hillary's sugar daddies sulphurdunn Apr 2015 #53

Posted without comment. Sissyk Apr 2015 #110

Huh, my peeps are number 7 Babel_17 Apr 2015 #54

Where is Bernie's lobbyists meetings listed. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #55

He's fabulous zentrum Apr 2015 #56

Oh yeah and Bernie is SOOOOOO going to beat Jeb with those figures! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #60

Because it's all about who can raise the most money on Wall Street. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #63

and how are you going to get elected without it in the CURRENT environment? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #64

Why bother to have an actual election? JEB Apr 2015 #105

BECAUSE WE can effect that outcome... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #108

Catch-22. JEB Apr 2015 #111

No it isn't... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #112

That is why Bernie can win without the dirty money. JEB Apr 2015 #114

No that is why Bernie cannot win without becoming a Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #115

The arithmetic tells me that Hillary will not be looking JEB Apr 2015 #116

Which one of those two has been the presumptive nominee since 2004? truebrit71 Apr 2015 #69

well like I said...that's Idealism..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #81

It's really sad that it's all about the money. nt cyberswede Apr 2015 #80

Yes sad....but there is no way around it at this moment in time....if WE want to change it VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #82

So that is $10 million for HRC...gee where does the extra $1,990 million come from!? Rex Apr 2015 #65

k/r if Sanders runs 840high Apr 2015 #66

Run, Bernie, RUN!!! mother earth Apr 2015 #71

If he gets the nomination, those same donors will back him BainsBane Apr 2015 #138

If he gets elected, there will be actual change, not pre-election lip service. He's the real deal. mother earth Apr 2015 #140

To the Greatest Page. woo me with science Apr 2015 #74

How dare Democrats sell their souls to the very ones that almost destroyed the USA in 2008. L0oniX Apr 2015 #113

One column is individual donors. The other column (PAC) is what the company donated. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #75

Shhhh kjones Apr 2015 #91

Bundling. mmonk Apr 2015 #92

Very telling. nt valerief Apr 2015 #76

And to think the Republicans decided to wipe out unions to cut off the Dems money. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #87

And I will support with honor and workhard for the one that wins the primary LynneSin Apr 2015 #93

That's a very hard truth. delrem Apr 2015 #94

says it all, doesn't it? nt antigop Apr 2015 #96

inevitable Hillary is inevitable warrprayer Apr 2015 #98

Oh for crying out loud...stop picking on poor Hillary Clinton davidpdx Apr 2015 #99

Kicked! ibewlu606 Apr 2015 #101

Yep, she's a true champion of the middle class. Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #102

That is a stark difference.... blackspade Apr 2015 #103

Democrats selling souls for money to win. Got it. L0oniX Apr 2015 #106

Maybe we should just get Sothbey's to hold the auction. JEB Apr 2015 #107

I want everyone to read this. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #118

Well that's just awkward! Fearless Apr 2015 #119

No doubt, this is telling. lark Apr 2015 #123

KNR. DirkGently Apr 2015 #125

And I suspect that a comparison with Senator Warren's donors would show the same thing. totodeinhere Apr 2015 #133

Man you're messing up the popular fiction narrative Savannahmann Apr 2015 #135

That Sanders list certainly isn't from a major presidential campaign BainsBane Apr 2015 #137

Of course, there is absolutely, firmly, surely, no quid-pro-quo expected. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #139