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Jim Lane

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76. That so-called "data" can't support the conclusion.

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:24 PM

Apr 2015

It's just more meaningless numbers based on the original methodology -- GIGO.

See my detailed explanation in #75 in this thread.

Which votes were considered as liberal and which were considered as conservative? The excerpt from the Kos post that I quoted suggests that the answer is "None", which if correct completely undercuts any claim that the work supports the conclusion cited in the OP.

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Hillary was 11th Most Liberal Senator during her time in the Senate [View all] NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 OP

who just happened to support authorizing the invasion of Iraq... mike_c Apr 2015 #1

Yep, so which republican are you comfortable making SC appointments? NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #5

false equivalence... mike_c Apr 2015 #14

Technically it's a false DILEMMA Scootaloo Apr 2015 #27

dammit, where's the Like button...? mike_c Apr 2015 #66

So it's okay to support Bush/Cheney on their disastrous policies if you are a Democrat? People died sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #28

The metrics for this ranking don't include foreign policy. That's the problem. leveymg Apr 2015 #77

Her yes votes on the IWR and Patriot Act are reasons enough to keep her out of the White House. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #2

I wonder who the other 10 were. arcane1 Apr 2015 #4

Will ask you the same NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #6

I prefer a progressive Democratic nominee. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #13

Elizabeth won't run. Move on. It's ok. Adrahil Apr 2015 #33

I hope Elizabeth Warren does decide to run after all AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #48

Well, I admire your enthusiasm! Adrahil Apr 2015 #49

Why did the acronym PUMA suddenly leap to mind? Jackpine Radical Apr 2015 #51

I have no idea... n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #53

We do and there a shitload of them showing their colors here... Historic NY Apr 2015 #57

Still don't know what you are talking about.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #62

There's more than one democrat, NJNP Scootaloo Apr 2015 #29

Can you safely say all of those other Democrats can win a national election? brooklynite Apr 2015 #32

I believe any democrat could win Scootaloo Apr 2015 #38

LOL, as safely as saying Hillary is an inevitable win for President? closeupready Apr 2015 #40

No Clinton supporter has called her inevitable...that's your line. brooklynite Apr 2015 #43

You guys called her that last time, sure enough. closeupready Apr 2015 #55

You don't need to use the word "inevitable" to send the message, Brooklynite Scootaloo Apr 2015 #84

So run a candidate. Adrahil Apr 2015 #34

And what's the basis of your "can't win" analysis, aside from your pulling for clinton? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #39

It's mainly a gut feeling.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #41

There's only one way for a Democrat to lose, Adrahil Scootaloo Apr 2015 #42

I agree. Unfortunately.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #44

Then we need to examine WHY they won't get out and vote, don't we? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #83

She isn't the only dem running...false choices snooper2 Apr 2015 #54

obama has been implementing all those things. should he be forced to resign then? nt msongs Apr 2015 #15

yes he has AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #18

I think your expectation on Iraq and Afghanistan were very unrealistic. Adrahil Apr 2015 #36

no, the idealized version AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #46

Dubya threw that region into turmoil.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #47

... William769 Apr 2015 #3

LMFAO L0oniX Apr 2015 #7

So you cant refute the information, why dont you guys and gals just admit your agenda. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #8

Yea I am blown away with all your facts and links. L0oniX Apr 2015 #9

Wanna have an actual bet with money? Before I waste my time providing you with NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #10

I hope you can eventually learn to write ops with facts and links. Is that too hard for you? L0oniX Apr 2015 #11

Link bigwillq Apr 2015 #24

rebuttal link (edited with graphics) AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #25

assuming around 50 Democrats or "liberals" in the Senate #11 is not in the top quintile. JanMichael Apr 2015 #12

The same rating entity put Warren as 31st most liberal Senator. Bummer stat. Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #50

who was talking about Warren? bad switch. JanMichael Apr 2015 #82

You really have to evaluate the evaluator... Look at who was ranked #1 liberal (Schumer?!?)... cascadiance Apr 2015 #52

That metric was based on who voted "yes" for "liberal" bills, and "no" on "conservative" bills. jeff47 Apr 2015 #16

I couldn't figure out exactly what it was based on. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #72

not good e nough arely staircase Apr 2015 #17

That is true! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #19

The folks who believe that her strong showing on social issues is a DISTRACTION and the "easy" Number23 Apr 2015 #20

It matters not hootinholler Apr 2015 #21

Not surprising from a DEM representing New York (nt) bigwillq Apr 2015 #22

Shows just how desperately we need progressives in the Senate. Scuba Apr 2015 #23

+1! arcane1 Apr 2015 #26

Screams from the Amen corner............. marmar Apr 2015 #35

Really? Savannahmann Apr 2015 #30

Only if you think that being a Republican who is good on social issues is all we can expect eridani Apr 2015 #31

Honestly, that's says more about the composition of the Senate. marmar Apr 2015 #37

Translation: there is NO fact, at all, that will change my mind. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #56

umm, who says I wouldn't vote for Hillary if she's the nominee? marmar Apr 2015 #58

Many do, I cant tell who is who anymore, so much criticism of her. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #59

Nothing wrong with criticism. I'm much more disturbed by monolithic groupthink. marmar Apr 2015 #60

I dont see that here...I see big fans who wont criticize her but remember we are talking NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #61

I'm not surprised at the combative responses. Folks don't like when facts contradict them. stevenleser Apr 2015 #45

Fine, present a fact that contradicts my negative opinion of Hillary. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #73

The data is right here stevenleser Apr 2015 #74

That so-called "data" can't support the conclusion. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #76

Bullshit framing. Orsino Apr 2015 #63

thanks, so now I am bullshit..Anyway, sure, we need liberals. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #64

I think we do ourselves a disservice by using a half-smart talking point... Orsino Apr 2015 #65

Agreed, would love to nominate Bernie for example, BUT NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #67

Yes. Orsino Apr 2015 #70

Considering what passes as a "liberal" these days -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #68

It will likely come down to a choice of someone who knowingly hires a gay hating NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #69

Not too shabby KamaAina Apr 2015 #71

That "stat" is essentially bullshit Jim Lane Apr 2015 #75

Here's the 109th Senate Proud Public Servant Apr 2015 #78

In fact, I think the stats show Hillary was more liberal than Obama. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #79

Yep, I almost listed him as a "maybe" Proud Public Servant Apr 2015 #80

Isnt it ABSURD that we even have to discuss this given what we are discussing NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #81