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WillTwain

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106. This is deeper than that.

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 03:51 PM

Apr 2015

Trumka has yelled from the rooftops that "he will not endorse" Hillary or any other candidate that brings Obama's economic team to the White House. He is clear about this. So, if she does not work with him, according to his words, he will not endorse her. If she does not work with him, he will not endorse her. This has nothing to do with how early it is. It is a warning from Trumka. Nobody is saying he should endorse today, but they issued another statement after the announcement to remind people that she is just another candidate.

He even said he would not vote for her if she has bad policy. Unions are talking tough like they rarely do at this point, especially to the front runner. This is not about endorsing her today, but a shot over the bow.

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After Hillary Announcement: AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka Still Looking At All Candidates [View all] WillTwain Apr 2015 OP

As Hillary said--she willl earn the vote. riversedge Apr 2015 #1

I hope so. WillTwain Apr 2015 #2

As we saw so starkly with Obama, Maedhros Apr 2015 #28

I really think Labor is going to move Hillary left in concrete ways or they will move to another. WillTwain Apr 2015 #36

I'm not so sure. Maedhros Apr 2015 #41

Maybe, we will see. This is about the future of hundreds of millions of American workers. WillTwain Apr 2015 #44

Maybe I'm being too cynical. Maedhros Apr 2015 #47

I really sense it is different this time. I could be a fool. WillTwain Apr 2015 #55

Trumka long ago forgot where he came from, bvar22 Apr 2015 #114

Any quotes of policy moves you can send would be of great help. WillTwain Apr 2015 #115

Policy moves for Obama....or Trumka. bvar22 Apr 2015 #119

Man, that is a great list. Everyone should check it out. But, I wanted Trumka's bad policy or quotes WillTwain Apr 2015 #120

Any labor person that watches that video must feel betrayed by the POTUS. WillTwain Apr 2015 #121

If that were the only one, bvar22 Apr 2015 #123

Has any of Obama's interest groups been more neglected than labor? WillTwain Apr 2015 #124

The Obama Administration has been openly hostile to Organized LABOR. bvar22 Apr 2015 #140

More Evidence Of Obama's Disrespect Of Workers - They Wonder Why Obama Bums Us Out WillTwain Apr 2015 #141

I would hope so. PatrynXX Apr 2015 #86

I am down the middle with Hillary. Very strong on foreign affairs, social issues. WillTwain Apr 2015 #91

+1000. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #60

Excellent point MissDeeds Apr 2015 #95

It's easy because we make it easy. Maedhros Apr 2015 #99

Our leadership is toying with us. WillTwain Apr 2015 #100

Paging Elizabeth Warren . . . please pick up the blue courtesy phone. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #127

Hillary is sounding like Warren. WillTwain Apr 2015 #135

Yup, smart move by Hillary's handlers. Wud help tho if she sounded more natural by stating her populist positions without havin to refer to her notes. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #136

Saw that, WillTwain Apr 2015 #138

Yeah, with $2,500,000,000 dollars. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #43

And water is still wet. Since we are still waiting to see who the other candidates will be. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #3

+1 n/t tammywammy Apr 2015 #6

The point is this is labor is holding back on endorsing Hillary. WillTwain Apr 2015 #8

You need to prove your point with links, not just repeat it. Since 2004, I don't think Labor has stevenleser Apr 2015 #9

Here's the link. Zero labor endorsements in 2008 this early out. The earliest were August 2007. stevenleser Apr 2015 #14

it is different this time. WillTwain Apr 2015 #20

No, it's not. They likely haven't even met to discuss it yet and won't for some time. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #22

Believe me, they are in contact all the time - constantly. WillTwain Apr 2015 #31

Labor did not support anyone quite this early in the 2008 campaign. (See links below) Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #16

Actually, it is big news. WillTwain Apr 2015 #25

I will wait for them to determine who they support. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #26

Me, too. WillTwain Apr 2015 #32

Yes. There are a number of crucial issues, but a major one is who would JDPriestly Apr 2015 #62

Trumka is our hope. His pick gets my vote. WillTwain Apr 2015 #65

You're so transparent. Your disdain for Obama is obvious. The economic team that served Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #79

Exactly, you nailed it. And I resent your sick assessment of my opinion of Obama. WillTwain Apr 2015 #84

"My sick assessment"? How is it sick? It's the tone of your entire OP. You provide no link. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #87

The tone is internal to your head. You are looking for racism that does not exist. I resent it. WillTwain Apr 2015 #89

My posts had nothing to do with race. Are you admitting to something that's not there? Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #142

You did it again, stop the pseudo-psychology lameness. WillTwain Apr 2015 #143

Where did I imply or state anything about race? Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #146

What is it about? You brought it up not me. WillTwain Apr 2015 #148

You said I have ulterior motives. come on make something up. WillTwain Apr 2015 #150

Who said I am white? WillTwain Apr 2015 #149

Cat got your tongue? Lose your internet? WillTwain Apr 2015 #145

You have more to answer about. WillTwain Apr 2015 #144

Bill Clinton's policies did a great deal to hurt the middle class. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #147

I said Clinton's team was the same long before you. WillTwain Apr 2015 #151

This shows how bad things have become for working Americans, to me. appalachiablue Apr 2015 #90

This is the result of being burned too many times. WillTwain Apr 2015 #93

Don't we know it. Labor chiefs are right to hold back after C & O. That the Democratic Party appalachiablue Apr 2015 #101

Great read. Do you see FDR in Obama? WillTwain Apr 2015 #102

Howard Dean got a lot of big labor support early. It didn't put him over the top. stevenleser Apr 2015 #4

Labor ultimately got behind every democratic nominee. This time may be different. WillTwain Apr 2015 #10

It wont be different. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #11

We will see. They are desperate and need help. WillTwain Apr 2015 #19

DLC in Iowa - Anyone here who was in Iowa/2000 fadedrose Apr 2015 #15

Have you ever worked on a presidential campaign in a big city? JDPriestly Apr 2015 #64

I didn't say labor was invisible. I said they havent been making the difference in primaries. nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #67

It is because they have faithfully endorsed Democrats. who have burned them - OBAMA. WillTwain Apr 2015 #71

Thank you. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #76

Solidarity Brother WillTwain Apr 2015 #125

You and Will both sound confused. In the primary cycles, it is not the Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #108

This should clear up the confusion. WillTwain Apr 2015 #116

I have walked with union members, too. It is inspiring to see people actually fighting not bitching. WillTwain Apr 2015 #69

The AFL-CIO supports building the Keystone XL Pipeline. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #5

Note my above discussion of labor's early endorsements of Dean in 2004, I think that is why stevenleser Apr 2015 #7

With all respect, that is a real slap at unions. WillTwain Apr 2015 #13

Don't agree at all. Unions rely on temporary jobs, much like Keystone would produce. Dawgs Apr 2015 #29

The pipeline is a small project. WillTwain Apr 2015 #39

Small compared to Mall of America, but not small. n/t Dawgs Apr 2015 #53

Construction unions are for it Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #45

Overall, It is not driving Trumka's thinking. He has much bigger things in mind. WillTwain Apr 2015 #49

Thank you for mentioning this. mmonk Apr 2015 #63

The IBEW would disagree with you. former9thward Apr 2015 #104

Interesting, WillTwain Apr 2015 #109

I stand corrected Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #113

Well stated by Trumka. Common sense. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #12

I think Trumka is saying after all are in they will pick the best candidate. Hillary is no guarantee WillTwain Apr 2015 #17

Seems like common sense to me. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #21

It is a game of chicken. WillTwain Apr 2015 #24

No. He is smarter than that and understands his position. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #35

He may have no choice. Another right-leaning dem will end them. WillTwain Apr 2015 #37

Fact is he does have a choice. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #38

This is another Trumka quote, WillTwain Apr 2015 #40

He must demand change. It makes perfect sense. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #51

Read the whole thread. His quotes are intriguing. WillTwain Apr 2015 #56

You're making these statements without a link. Please post a link, please. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #81

Ever googled? WillTwain Apr 2015 #85

No way. I'm guessing it'll be O'malley if Elizabeth doesn't get in. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #137

That would be wild. WillTwain Apr 2015 #139

ok...so the possibility of going with Walker is appealing? Sheepshank Apr 2015 #18

I do not understand. They would never endorse Walker. WillTwain Apr 2015 #23

It's the old straw man argument we are damned to hear from now until the primaries are over. mmonk Apr 2015 #52

Really frickin boring to be honest. WillTwain Apr 2015 #57

Yup. But such lack of conversation on issues always is. mmonk Apr 2015 #59

how does going with the 3rd party help their cause and keep Unions alive and viable? Sheepshank Apr 2015 #58

How does Hillary survive without them? It is a stand off - a game of chicken. WillTwain Apr 2015 #98

clearly a game of chicken...but Hillary has a better chance of coming out this. Sheepshank Apr 2015 #105

She may have a slight edge. WillTwain Apr 2015 #107

This is the primary. Why would they endorse someone when there may be other hats in the ring? jwirr Apr 2015 #27

What they are saying is she is no guarantee. It is different this time. WillTwain Apr 2015 #30

I won't be surprised. But I know for a fact that they will not vote R. However, many of the jwirr Apr 2015 #33

For sure, WillTwain Apr 2015 #34

Labor is this country's last, best hope for change. Maedhros Apr 2015 #42

if labor sells out, it is lights out. WillTwain Apr 2015 #46

Over in another OP today Trumka strongly implies TPP will be a huge factor on the endorsment Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #48

Thanks Steve WillTwain Apr 2015 #50

Telling Trumka quote from your post WillTwain Apr 2015 #54

Thanks. 840high Apr 2015 #131

Only a fool would endorse Hillary at this time. Others are thinking of running Autumn Apr 2015 #61

Richard Trumka is no fool. - Not this time. WillTwain Apr 2015 #73

Yeah turbinetree Apr 2015 #66

Richard Trumka needs to be heard. WillTwain Apr 2015 #68

I agree turbinetree Apr 2015 #152

Some say he is removed from his past, any ideas? WillTwain Apr 2015 #153

Richard Trumka looks at all candidates. And he should. He looked at all the candidates in 2007. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #70

In 2007, in an act of blind faith, endorsed Obama. They have regrets. WillTwain Apr 2015 #72

"They have regrets"? Where do you see that? They may have been disappointed Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #74

They are very open about it. Please read the thread, so I do not need to re-type. Thanks. WillTwain Apr 2015 #75

Open about what? Not supporting anyone in the primaries? They didn't support anyone this Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2015 #78

Please read the thread. They are extremely bothered by Obama on many issues, including the TPP. WillTwain Apr 2015 #82

In 2008, as in most years, AFL-CIO made no Primary endorsement and offered endorsement to Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #110

Again, Trumka released this the day after Hillary endorsed. WillTwain Apr 2015 #111

If she is the nominee, she'll get the endorsement. MineralMan Apr 2015 #77

She is messaging well. Actually, so are the Republicans on income inequality. WillTwain Apr 2015 #80

Well said. The tipping point is here though many do not recognize it. mmonk Apr 2015 #83

This is serious and half of all democrats could care less about unions and how important they are WillTwain Apr 2015 #88

Does that mean they would consider republican candidates also? still_one Apr 2015 #92

Not a chance, Maybe a third party. WillTwain Apr 2015 #94

I hope you are right still_one Apr 2015 #96

They may put their huge donations to work on congressional races, instead. WillTwain Apr 2015 #97

I'd vote for Trumka if he ran, but this framing is bogus, AFL-CIO would never endorse ahead of Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #103

This is deeper than that. WillTwain Apr 2015 #106

In 2008, as in most years, AFL-CIO made no Primary endorsement and offered endorsement to Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #112

I am a union member, too. As I have already written, this time is different. WillTwain Apr 2015 #117

I should have linked this earlier, sorry. The interview is tough on Obama. WillTwain Apr 2015 #118

Check out comment 119 by BVAR, and see why Labor is ready for a new plan. WillTwain Apr 2015 #122

After Bill and NAFTA and Hillary's writing of the TPP, he should be leery. PeteSelman Apr 2015 #126

Except Labor WillTwain Apr 2015 #128

Yeah but it's all bullshit. PeteSelman Apr 2015 #129

What is this - Reich and his "rich, white construction workers" bullshit WillTwain Apr 2015 #130

Here's a link. PeteSelman Apr 2015 #133

Reich is way out of line on this. WillTwain Apr 2015 #134

+1 840high Apr 2015 #132