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el_bryanto

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35. I think that saying that, though, is the same as me saying

Tue Apr 14, 2015, 04:55 PM

Apr 2015

"I know that NoJusticeNoPeace is a believer - he or she claims otherwise, but a good person like that? Must be a believer."

If i were to say that it's insulting on a few levels.

1. You are either calling those people liars or you are denying them the opportunity to define themselves as they choose.

2. You are implying that progressive and educated people can't be or are unlikely to be believers (in the same sense that my statement above implies that you can't be good without being a believer).

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One difference between our countries [View all] Susannah Elf Apr 2015 OP

Immaturity, people use religion as a justification. It is childish, which is why I get so NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #1

Do you have any evidence that Obama is an Atheist el_bryanto Apr 2015 #3

None, other than he is an extremely intelligent, educated person. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #8

Yes - i know what you mean el_bryanto Apr 2015 #9

I wasnt speaking of kind of generousness, but since you brought it up. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #11

Nods - well we'll see how things shake out el_bryanto Apr 2015 #13

Not believing in something that there is no logical reason to believe in is not a belief NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #23

Thank you for that correction el_bryanto Apr 2015 #25

I am discussing this with someone else right now here at DU who I also respect but who is NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #26

An entertaining movie - I quite enjoyed it. el_bryanto Apr 2015 #30

Sure, would be great if we could eliminate religion, but wont happen in my lifetime. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #32

It's simple enough el_bryanto Apr 2015 #33

Oh, yeah, I agree on that. I mean while I dont want a believer in a position of decision NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #34

I think that saying that, though, is the same as me saying el_bryanto Apr 2015 #35

This is what I mean Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #16

Is it not possible to not believe without bashing others' beliefs like that? KamaAina Apr 2015 #21

Guilty as charged, I spent way too long pretending that believing in the invisible man NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #24

Thank you for that KamaAina Apr 2015 #27

You really think so, you really think people leave DU because someone like me makes fun NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #29

I am very new to DU Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #39

The Cold War probably plays a big part in that el_bryanto Apr 2015 #2

I think you have a point Jim Beard Apr 2015 #5

Interesting. Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #17

If you want to read more on this subject el_bryanto Apr 2015 #22

All I have to say is that it's complicated. merrily Apr 2015 #4

I think the RW reconized that they could use religious fundies as useful idiots cyberswede Apr 2015 #6

They used the fact that Jim Beard Apr 2015 #7

You've got it! staggerleem Apr 2015 #15

Great responses, everyone! Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #18

heck, the Baptists even had to have a coup to serve as a quarter of the New Right MisterP Apr 2015 #40

I know this will sound silly but here goes...... (Netflix did it!) Jim Beard Apr 2015 #10

The wonderful Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #19

Until recently in the US, atheists were expected to shut the f@#$ up at all times Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #12

We broke the cardinal rule for good government. Rex Apr 2015 #14

Unfortunately Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #20

Freedom of religion is why folks started to come here fadedrose Apr 2015 #28

from one who has roots in both countries guillaumeb Apr 2015 #31

That is true. Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #36

I do not know what province you are from, but mine is Quebec. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #38

Also, we may not have had to justify slavery Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #37