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In reply to the discussion: Here's the thing - don't expect me to be enthused about someone who cozys up to a mass murderer. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)450. That IS the thing, scarletwoman.
Personally, I also like my candidate unsoiled by the stench of sulfur.
How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World
A trove of secret documents details the US government's global push for shale gas.
By Mariah Blake
Mother Jones | September/October 2014 Issue
EXCERPT...
Clinton, who was sworn in as secretary of state in early 2009, believed that shale gas could help rewrite global energy politics. "This is a moment of profound change," she later told a crowd at Georgetown University. "Countries that used to depend on others for their energy are now producers. How will this shape world events? Who will benefit, and who will not? The answers to these questions are being written right now, and we intend to play a major role." Clinton tapped a lawyer named David Goldwyn as her special envoy for international energy affairs; his charge was "to elevate energy diplomacy as a key function of US foreign policy."
Goldwyn had a long history of promoting drilling overseasboth as a Department of Energy official under Bill Clinton and as a representative of the oil industry. From 2005 to 2009 he directed the US-Libya Business Association, an organization funded primarily by US oil companiesincluding Chevron, Exxon Mobil, and Marathonclamoring to tap Libya's abundant supply. Goldwyn lobbied Congress for pro-Libyan policies and even battled legislation that would have allowed families of the Lockerbie bombing victims to sue the Libyan government for its alleged role in the attack.
According to diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks, one of Goldwyn's first acts at the State Department was gathering oil and gas industry executives "to discuss the potential international impact of shale gas." Clinton then sent a cable to US diplomats, asking them to collect information on the potential for fracking in their host countries. These efforts eventually gave rise to the Global Shale Gas Initiative, which aimed to help other nations develop their shale potential. Clinton promised it would do so "in a way that is as environmentally respectful as possible."
But environmental groups were barely consulted, while industry played a crucial role. When Goldwyn unveiled the initiative in April 2010, it was at a meeting of the United States Energy Association, a trade organization representing Chevron, Exxon Mobil, and ConocoPhillips, all of which were pursuing fracking overseas. Among their top targets was Poland, which preliminary studies suggested had abundant shale gas. The day after Goldwyn's announcement, the US Embassy in Warsaw helped organize a shale gas conference, underwritten by these same companies (plus the oil field services company Halliburton) and attended by officials from the departments of State and Energy.
In some cases, Clinton personally promoted shale gas. During a 2010 gathering of foreign ministers in Washington, DC, she spoke about America's plans to help spread fracking abroad. "I know that in some places [it] is controversial," she said, "but natural gas is the cleanest fossil fuel available for power generation today." She later traveled to Poland for a series of meetings with officials, after which she announced that the country had joined the Global Shale Gas Initiative.
CONTINUED...
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron
People like Kissinger don't mind killing millions to get what they want for themselves and their chums.
So, looking on the bright side, they have that interest in the extraction industries in common.
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Here's the thing - don't expect me to be enthused about someone who cozys up to a mass murderer. [View all]
scarletwoman
Apr 2015
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I meant only that those next generation of DLC thinks tanks are also her advisors.
merrily
Apr 2015
#307
Yes, but, at that point, he probably did not aspire to be President or worry a lot about re-election
merrily
Apr 2015
#318
If either of them asked for my vote for Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces now, he would not get
merrily
Apr 2015
#333
Okay, "Johnny and a lot of others took that horrific vote too," also doesn't cut it for me.
merrily
Apr 2015
#343
It doesn't matter if 90% of Democrats supported the war it was the wrong decision.
rhett o rick
Apr 2015
#418
It's not okay for Biden. Or anyone who made that terrible error of judgement. So many lives lost, so
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#456
Yes, thank you! Even Stupak voted against the Iraq War? I never noticed that before!
merrily
Apr 2015
#451
Yes, let's "know them by their works," indeed. Tell us what you've done to support an alternative
MADem
Apr 2015
#191
Why would I wan to do any of those things since Hillary has already been annointed?
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#196
You're the one sawing plaintively at that violin to accompany your own sad script.
MADem
Apr 2015
#224
You're the one spouting all the "hurt" and "temper" comments--and most people can read, and see what
MADem
Apr 2015
#243
The old democratic party is gone, but look what we have now. In addition we have their fawning
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#473
Why are you suggesting that people are NOT doing 'something', not finding and supporting candidates
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#215
Try reading in context for once. I'm having a conversation with a PERSON, not "people"
MADem
Apr 2015
#226
He isn't asking people to put him in the WH. Afaik, he is not an elected politician. When a
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#241
+ As for me, I dispatched my search committee years ago to canvass the nation for candidates.
merrily
Apr 2015
#360
I'll stand with Obama and Mandela and Kerry and Colbert and Carter, and all of the people who are
MADem
Apr 2015
#238
But, it was suppose to be soooo clever.. as usual it says more about those taking cheap pot shots
Cha
Apr 2015
#280
Stop badgering Cha while embarrassing yourself--Mandela and Kissinger were very close.
MADem
Apr 2015
#293
"Kissinger is a friend" - HRC's review of HKs book. Mandela also became close to Pik Botha. But,
leveymg
Apr 2015
#409
Only in the sense that Prince Metternich was to the "liberal" era that dawned in the early 1800s
leveymg
Apr 2015
#435
I know some of those Democrats who 'overwhelmingly support her candidacy'. I worked for them, they
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#348
Sad to say, there never is a perfect democracy. I'm sure you've been told that.
demosincebirth
Apr 2015
#201
When did that happen? No one asked me who I might want to represent me. Did someone contact you?
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#364
The extremely wealthy control our electoral system. They don't 'support' candidates, they 'push'
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#377
No, we don't. That is WHY there are now so many organizations working to try to retrieve that power
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#454
The problem with a democracy is that you only get two viable choices, no matter what.
jobycom
Apr 2015
#420
Everyone on this subthread needs to be aware that it's a TOS violation to call out a long-time
leveymg
Apr 2015
#102
Posting a picture of her and Kissinger with barely a scratch of text isn't criticism, it's a MEME.
Agschmid
Apr 2015
#119
This post was meant to express an opinion on how someone feels about a candidate who is asking
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#179
No problem. I'm not looking for a perfect candidate, but I do have one in mind who is as close
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#199
Kissinger ducked int'l subpoenas for questioning about his role in and knowledge of crimes against
leveymg
Apr 2015
#341
Neither Julian nor Snowden are accused of crimes against humanity. Kissinger is
leveymg
Apr 2015
#379
Kissinger was subpoenaed by courts in Chile, Arg. & France for his role in the Pinochet Coup
leveymg
Apr 2015
#337
Courts in 3 countries subpoenaed HK re his role in crimes against humanity. He refuses to comply.
leveymg
Apr 2015
#406
Kissinger is wanted for questioning on war crimes, in Chile. He is also accused of crimes in
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#373
There's nothing about calling people trolls in the TOS. Those "old DU2" rules are long gone.
MADem
Apr 2015
#248
Huh? I think Kissinger is a war criminal and a disgusting excuse for a human.
scarletwoman
Apr 2015
#37
She's snuggling up to Kissinger - what difference does it make where the picture was taken?
dflprincess
Apr 2015
#53
See post 51--are you prepared to throw all those "snugglers" under the bus? Now THAT would be some
MADem
Apr 2015
#61
He was an adviser to Hillary when she was SOS. With his war criminal record (he was wanted for
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#231
He had no titled or salaried role in Clinton's State Department. He did what most SoS's have done
MADem
Apr 2015
#283
Rather less "nefarious' than dropping napalm on Cambodia or installing Suharto and Pinochet...
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#148
You should be a fiction author, you seem to have illustrative adjective usage down...
Agschmid
Apr 2015
#324
I love how that red arrow of Hillary's points to the right. Very fitting. Wouldn't you agree?
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#115
"HOPE" was not commissioned by the O campaign. That was a private artist who was SUED by AP for
MADem
Apr 2015
#461
Well, there's two Clinton fans that aren't able to put things into words or defend bad branding.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#171
My viewpoints were/are based on visual communications. Her branding sends a horrible message, and in
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#184
fine, we'll talk about her record: should we start with Syria or Honduras first?
MisterP
Apr 2015
#77
No, when Mandela was released from prison, he went to the USA and sought out Kissinger.
MADem
Apr 2015
#462
Mandela learned "shuttle diplomacy" from Kissinger and used it to end apartheid in S. Africa.
MADem
Apr 2015
#290
So Mandela saved many many lives and his country with the knowledge acquired from
BeanMusical
Apr 2015
#466
My apologies then. I'm an old woman who was in college during the Vietnam War.
scarletwoman
Apr 2015
#18
you do realize that primaries are usually based on the party ? and that whoever the democratic
JI7
Apr 2015
#279
Just look how the RWers are reacting to her announcement. They are going fucking insane.
Adrahil
Apr 2015
#41
Better her than a Republican. But better a Democrat with Democratic values than Clinton. n/t
eridani
Apr 2015
#130
Fortunately, once election season begins in earnest, they'll be forced to hold their water.
MADem
Apr 2015
#113
Welcome to DU, NET.. there's plenty of progressives to talk to. President Obama has made tons
Cha
Apr 2015
#62
Even if Petraeus is a slime, did he ever use the powers of his office to smear the "other woman",
24601
Apr 2015
#172
Private Manning never even faced charges for treason, the only crime defined in the
24601
Apr 2015
#448
That Nobel Peace Prize winner was instrumental in the overthrow of the Salvador Allende government
Art_from_Ark
Apr 2015
#79
If Hillary Clinton can be such good friends with him why can't the rest of us?
totodeinhere
Apr 2015
#229
If you're waiting for a national politician who's willing to kick Kissinger in the nuts onstage
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2015
#52
you've already had several DU'ers post similar photos of any number of Democrats w/ Kissinger
KittyWampus
Apr 2015
#83
As SOS Hillary met with many people, part of her job, to judge Hillary by interacting with
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#48
Are you trying to get others to dislike Hillary because of Kissinger? Won't happen, I doubt you
Thinkingabout
Apr 2015
#100
Because when people have their picture taken with someone at an official event, that AUTOMATICALLY
MADem
Apr 2015
#51
Actually, he did move to a small engineering firm that did not deal with these types
dflprincess
Apr 2015
#125
Sorry, and nothing against you-I still think your tale told to you by your friend is a war story.
MADem
Apr 2015
#175
That guy was out the door regardless of Von Braun, I suspect. I know you think otherwise, but
MADem
Apr 2015
#458
Albright and Powel aren't great examples, if you're trying to whitewash war crimes n/t
Scootaloo
Apr 2015
#95
I'm trying to demonstrate that only people without nuance or much in the way of depth look at a
MADem
Apr 2015
#97
You're the one looking at people dressed up in their Sunday best and making a "war crime" out of it.
MADem
Apr 2015
#116
For someone who didn't "have time" for me (your words) you sure have carved out a lot of it.
MADem
Apr 2015
#220
Libertarian goddess Ayn Rand also admired serial killer Bill Hickman heavily too...
cascadiance
Apr 2015
#313
Ayn Rand's Libertarian followers don't think of themselves as just "sci fi" fans!
cascadiance
Apr 2015
#359
That sounds like a TOS violation - calling out a long-time DU member as a "troll". Two actually.
leveymg
Apr 2015
#94
Yes, everyone should be able to express their feelings on an internet political site..
Cha
Apr 2015
#288
Singing happy birthday is a pretty typical thing to do when it's someones birthday...
Agschmid
Apr 2015
#198
Would you lead the crowd in singing a rousing rendition of "Happy Birthday" to George Bush?
Art_from_Ark
Apr 2015
#203
Dear fellow DUers - lest you think I've posted and run, I really have to go to bed
scarletwoman
Apr 2015
#152
OMG--that's some SERIOUS "cozying up" to "a mass murderer!!" Where are the outraged threads?
MADem
Apr 2015
#178
Clinton never worked with or for Henry Kissinger. The dynamic most certainly is NOT the same
MADem
Apr 2015
#254
Hillary Clinton Calls Henry Kissinger a Friend, Praises His Commitment to Democracy
totodeinhere
Apr 2015
#223
You realize you quote a paragraph where it says they don't agree all that often?
Agschmid
Apr 2015
#228
I read the entire article. The operative phrase is "Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his
totodeinhere
Apr 2015
#234
As I told the other poster, I read the entire article. The article says that she called Kissinger
totodeinhere
Apr 2015
#308
He's been convicted of nothing. When you fling that "war criminal" rubric around when there's been
MADem
Apr 2015
#358
Asterisk and emoticon aside, I stand by my remarks--you either believe in rule of law, or you don't.
MADem
Apr 2015
#483
And of course he is also a war criminal which is apparently fine with Clinton. Otherwise
totodeinhere
Apr 2015
#309
All you have to do is hold your nose and forget the dead, the tortured, and the homeless.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2015
#247
And stock your bunker with a 20-year supply of canned goods in preperation for the coming wars.
Major Hogwash
Apr 2015
#259
Maybe treestar was not around then or doesn't read any books about contemporary history.
Rex
Apr 2015
#484
So many truly great people you can't support due to the simplicity of your mindset.
NCTraveler
Apr 2015
#339
I used to based my presidential preferences on a little more than a picture, too.
LanternWaste
Apr 2015
#369
If I was to not vote for a democrat who has stood next to Kissinger and smiled
LynneSin
Apr 2015
#392
Does the Democratic Party realize how vulnerable they are to losing if HRC is the nominee?
dirtydickcheney
Apr 2015
#395
Post of the YEAR , CLASSIC guilt by association! ALL American politicians
NoJusticeNoPeace
Apr 2015
#426
i love Hillary. I hate kissinger. he's a piece of shit and you are right a mass murderer.
samsingh
Apr 2015
#442
Foreign policy is HRC's bete noire, and I'm very interested in hearing how her views
ucrdem
Apr 2015
#455