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450. That IS the thing, scarletwoman.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:44 PM
Apr 2015

Personally, I also like my candidate unsoiled by the stench of sulfur.



How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World

A trove of secret documents details the US government's global push for shale gas.

—By Mariah Blake
Mother Jones | September/October 2014 Issue

EXCERPT...

Clinton, who was sworn in as secretary of state in early 2009, believed that shale gas could help rewrite global energy politics. "This is a moment of profound change," she later told a crowd at Georgetown University. "Countries that used to depend on others for their energy are now producers. How will this shape world events? Who will benefit, and who will not?…The answers to these questions are being written right now, and we intend to play a major role." Clinton tapped a lawyer named David Goldwyn as her special envoy for international energy affairs; his charge was "to elevate energy diplomacy as a key function of US foreign policy."

Goldwyn had a long history of promoting drilling overseas—both as a Department of Energy official under Bill Clinton and as a representative of the oil industry. From 2005 to 2009 he directed the US-Libya Business Association, an organization funded primarily by US oil companies—including Chevron, Exxon Mobil, and Marathon—clamoring to tap Libya's abundant supply. Goldwyn lobbied Congress for pro-Libyan policies and even battled legislation that would have allowed families of the Lockerbie bombing victims to sue the Libyan government for its alleged role in the attack.

According to diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks, one of Goldwyn's first acts at the State Department was gathering oil and gas industry executives "to discuss the potential international impact of shale gas." Clinton then sent a cable to US diplomats, asking them to collect information on the potential for fracking in their host countries. These efforts eventually gave rise to the Global Shale Gas Initiative, which aimed to help other nations develop their shale potential. Clinton promised it would do so "in a way that is as environmentally respectful as possible."

But environmental groups were barely consulted, while industry played a crucial role. When Goldwyn unveiled the initiative in April 2010, it was at a meeting of the United States Energy Association, a trade organization representing Chevron, Exxon Mobil, and ConocoPhillips, all of which were pursuing fracking overseas. Among their top targets was Poland, which preliminary studies suggested had abundant shale gas. The day after Goldwyn's announcement, the US Embassy in Warsaw helped organize a shale gas conference, underwritten by these same companies (plus the oil field services company Halliburton) and attended by officials from the departments of State and Energy.

In some cases, Clinton personally promoted shale gas. During a 2010 gathering of foreign ministers in Washington, DC, she spoke about America's plans to help spread fracking abroad. "I know that in some places [it] is controversial," she said, "but natural gas is the cleanest fossil fuel available for power generation today." She later traveled to Poland for a series of meetings with officials, after which she announced that the country had joined the Global Shale Gas Initiative.

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron



People like Kissinger don't mind killing millions to get what they want for themselves and their chums.

So, looking on the bright side, they have that interest in the extraction industries in common.
Exactly. (nt) enough Apr 2015 #1
So far she's your only choice unless you skip voting yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #34
What a sad thing that is for a country that claims to be a democracy. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #84
Larry Summers marym625 Apr 2015 #107
and to hell with Larry Summers irisblue Apr 2015 #128
He's HC's number one adviser. pos that he is marym625 Apr 2015 #136
Don't forget Third Way, Progressive Policy Institute, etc. merrily Apr 2015 #282
more importantly marym625 Apr 2015 #300
I meant only that those next generation of DLC thinks tanks are also her advisors. merrily Apr 2015 #307
absolutely! marym625 Apr 2015 #311
Yes, but, at that point, he probably did not aspire to be President or worry a lot about re-election merrily Apr 2015 #318
Biden and Kerry seem to be doing just fine... Agschmid Apr 2015 #321
If either of them asked for my vote for Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces now, he would not get merrily Apr 2015 #333
It wasn't just "Johnny" it was 58% of democrats at the time... Agschmid Apr 2015 #338
Okay, "Johnny and a lot of others took that horrific vote too," also doesn't cut it for me. merrily Apr 2015 #343
It doesn't matter if 90% of Democrats supported the war it was the wrong decision. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #418
It's not okay for Biden. Or anyone who made that terrible error of judgement. So many lives lost, so sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #456
MOST Democrats voted againstr the INvasion/Occupation of Iraq. bvar22 Apr 2015 #410
Yes, thank you! Even Stupak voted against the Iraq War? I never noticed that before! merrily Apr 2015 #451
Enough Democrats "crossed over" so that whenever Bush was questioned... bvar22 Apr 2015 #469
So did every Republcan on the mixed political board I posted on at the time. merrily Apr 2015 #470
Aparently some here are cozy with Clinton being the only choice. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #110
Yes, let's "know them by their works," indeed. Tell us what you've done to support an alternative MADem Apr 2015 #191
Why would I wan to do any of those things since Hillary has already been annointed? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #196
If you're content to lay down and die, I think MADem Apr 2015 #209
... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #221
You're the one sawing plaintively at that violin to accompany your own sad script. MADem Apr 2015 #224
"I don't feel "hurt" at all..." R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #232
You're the one spouting all the "hurt" and "temper" comments--and most people can read, and see what MADem Apr 2015 #243
Whatever you say. Good luck. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #312
I AM hurt by where the Democratic Party is today, bvar22 Apr 2015 #472
The old democratic party is gone, but look what we have now. In addition we have their fawning R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #473
you poor powerless victims treestar Apr 2015 #255
Y'all are certainly clairvoyants of such merit R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #317
Those candidates will not be given treestar Apr 2015 #329
Again, your clairvoyance now seems little more R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #344
so it is possible Hillary supporters aren't fawning over her treestar Apr 2015 #351
Realism. I don't see a lot if it here. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #374
There's no dynasty treestar Apr 2015 #401
Did you read what I wrote? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #414
Her supporters may be encouraging themselves she can win this time treestar Apr 2015 #432
Why are you suggesting that people are NOT doing 'something', not finding and supporting candidates sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #215
Try reading in context for once. I'm having a conversation with a PERSON, not "people" MADem Apr 2015 #226
Temper temper. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #236
I'm entirely delighted--you apparently don't "read" people well, I'm afraid. MADem Apr 2015 #239
Right back at ya... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #242
You're getting crushed here and apparently don't even know it. Sad. Scuba Apr 2015 #296
I rather doubt that. nt MADem Apr 2015 #349
You doubt it...... I don't bvar22 Apr 2015 #477
Popped in to give me that opinion, did you? MADem Apr 2015 #481
Oooooooo! bvar22 Apr 2015 #488
He isn't asking people to put him in the WH. Afaik, he is not an elected politician. When a sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #241
Who is "he?" MADem Apr 2015 #244
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #320
Did you make up that new rule? bvar22 Apr 2015 #407
+ As for me, I dispatched my search committee years ago to canvass the nation for candidates. merrily Apr 2015 #360
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #227
I'll stand with Obama and Mandela and Kerry and Colbert and Carter, and all of the people who are MADem Apr 2015 #238
"..Supporting a human being that supports a mass murderer!!!!".. Give me a break. Cha Apr 2015 #271
This is probably the oddest thread I've seen on DU in a while. MADem Apr 2015 #278
But, it was suppose to be soooo clever.. as usual it says more about those taking cheap pot shots Cha Apr 2015 #280
You have not rested your case, Cha peequod Apr 2015 #286
Yes, I have. Cha Apr 2015 #287
I can post pictures too! peequod Apr 2015 #415
Stop badgering Cha while embarrassing yourself--Mandela and Kissinger were very close. MADem Apr 2015 #293
"Kissinger is a friend" - HRC's review of HKs book. Mandela also became close to Pik Botha. But, leveymg Apr 2015 #409
What the... BeanMusical Apr 2015 #425
Ha ha! peequod Apr 2015 #434
especially markets..... blackspade Apr 2015 #444
Only in the sense that Prince Metternich was to the "liberal" era that dawned in the early 1800s leveymg Apr 2015 #435
Selective reading, try again. Agschmid Apr 2015 #436
The word "liberal" has different meanings in different contexts. cheapdate Apr 2015 #437
well said, cheapdate. peequod Apr 2015 #449
Yes, that quote is key: MADem Apr 2015 #460
I am not "badgering" Cha... peequod Apr 2015 #423
Well said, and welcome to DU! leveymg Apr 2015 #424
Thank you, leveymg! peequod Apr 2015 #439
The poster you are addressing has been here for TEN years. MADem Apr 2015 #459
Well I don't know how many votes she would lose because of it treestar Apr 2015 #431
I agree, treestar, HRC won't lose many votes peequod Apr 2015 #438
Not sure what ignoring practical reality does for people repeating that meme. merrily Apr 2015 #284
You’re getting boring.. It’s over.. busterbrown Apr 2015 #357
Well said MissDeeds Apr 2015 #112
When she puts out word that she's going to raise 2.5 billion, 7962 Apr 2015 #139
Are you serious? 2.2 BILLION DOLLARS?? I thought 1 Billion was bad enough. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #165
+1, couldn't agree more. Marr Apr 2015 #249
This from the NYT article announcing her candidacy: 7962 Apr 2015 #297
I know some of those Democrats who 'overwhelmingly support her candidacy'. I worked for them, they sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #348
Duh..............look what the last election cost. Historic NY Apr 2015 #306
I wasnt doubting the figures, just quoting the story 7962 Apr 2015 #452
Sad to say, there never is a perfect democracy. I'm sure you've been told that. demosincebirth Apr 2015 #201
Maybe you should ask other Democrats? treestar Apr 2015 #253
When did that happen? No one asked me who I might want to represent me. Did someone contact you? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #364
Well they are not going to run someone without having some idea treestar Apr 2015 #368
The extremely wealthy control our electoral system. They don't 'support' candidates, they 'push' sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #377
So we have no control and no say? treestar Apr 2015 #397
No, we don't. That is WHY there are now so many organizations working to try to retrieve that power sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #454
exactly. merrily Apr 2015 #362
The problem with a democracy is that you only get two viable choices, no matter what. jobycom Apr 2015 #420
ha! wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #447
Heard that in 2008, too. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #256
So noted. Don't be happy. aikoaiko Apr 2015 #2
So nice of you to post this with out the back story. William769 Apr 2015 #3
So sick of this trolling meme. Agschmid Apr 2015 #5
Agreed. William769 Apr 2015 #7
Yup... SidDithers Apr 2015 #64
Everyone on this subthread needs to be aware that it's a TOS violation to call out a long-time leveymg Apr 2015 #102
Posting a picture of her and Kissinger with barely a scratch of text isn't criticism, it's a MEME. Agschmid Apr 2015 #119
I cant believe the term "troll" could be deemed SUCH a terrible insult 7962 Apr 2015 #144
It is technically a TOS violation... Agschmid Apr 2015 #147
Why would someone call another DUer a troll for telling the truth? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #169
What is the truth? Agschmid Apr 2015 #173
This post was meant to express an opinion on how someone feels about a candidate who is asking sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #179
No don't lie, why the heck would you do that? Agschmid Apr 2015 #182
I read the OP but had not seen the other OP. It seems to me that the OP sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #189
Thanks for the tempered response. Agschmid Apr 2015 #193
No problem. I'm not looking for a perfect candidate, but I do have one in mind who is as close sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #199
A wanted war criminal? treestar Apr 2015 #261
Nope 7962 Apr 2015 #295
Nope. Agschmid Apr 2015 #322
All for questioning, not for war crimes, though not sure of the last one: treestar Apr 2015 #331
Kissinger ducked int'l subpoenas for questioning about his role in and knowledge of crimes against leveymg Apr 2015 #341
Well it's OK for Julian and Eddie to do it treestar Apr 2015 #352
Neither Julian nor Snowden are accused of crimes against humanity. Kissinger is leveymg Apr 2015 #379
accused by who? treestar Apr 2015 #396
OFFS. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #403
Accused by who? treestar Apr 2015 #433
"how come it hasn't come out more generally?" BeanMusical Apr 2015 #453
Kissinger was subpoenaed by courts in Chile, Arg. & France for his role in the Pinochet Coup leveymg Apr 2015 #337
Having questions is not the same as being indicted as a "war criminal." treestar Apr 2015 #400
Courts in 3 countries subpoenaed HK re his role in crimes against humanity. He refuses to comply. leveymg Apr 2015 #406
Well if that is the way you feel about it treestar Apr 2015 #412
Kissinger is wanted for questioning on war crimes, in Chile. He is also accused of crimes in sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #373
Why do you have so much trust in the Chilean justice system? treestar Apr 2015 #413
Then it shouldn't matter, right? peequod Apr 2015 #430
I agree heaven05 Apr 2015 #378
Internet Speak 1939 Apr 2015 #347
Re-read what I said and then try again... Agschmid Apr 2015 #354
Thank you. n/t sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #138
Your post was alerted on. zeemike Apr 2015 #237
There's nothing about calling people trolls in the TOS. Those "old DU2" rules are long gone. MADem Apr 2015 #248
so every one who has ever spoken to Kissinger treestar Apr 2015 #257
There's a back story? tularetom Apr 2015 #8
THIS.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #49
Here's a little backstory for you: scarletwoman Apr 2015 #11
That picture is not from that party. William769 Apr 2015 #13
So gonna stay quiet now? William769 Apr 2015 #26
Huh? I think Kissinger is a war criminal and a disgusting excuse for a human. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #37
You are trying to tie an article with a picture that is false. William769 Apr 2015 #42
She's snuggling up to Kissinger - what difference does it make where the picture was taken? dflprincess Apr 2015 #53
See post 51--are you prepared to throw all those "snugglers" under the bus? Now THAT would be some MADem Apr 2015 #61
Yup... Agschmid Apr 2015 #80
He was an adviser to Hillary when she was SOS. With his war criminal record (he was wanted for sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #231
He had no titled or salaried role in Clinton's State Department. He did what most SoS's have done MADem Apr 2015 #283
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #323
It makes a big difference. William769 Apr 2015 #63
Rather less "nefarious' than dropping napalm on Cambodia or installing Suharto and Pinochet... Scootaloo Apr 2015 #148
Not to mention sabotaging Vietnam War peace talks Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #161
She was there with her arms wrapped around a murderer. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #233
So I guess you're not a fan of the President either.... 7962 Apr 2015 #154
Obama is not schmoozing with Kissinger Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #164
See post 51 7962 Apr 2015 #294
You should be a fiction author, you seem to have illustrative adjective usage down... Agschmid Apr 2015 #324
Please post "the back story" bunnies Apr 2015 #14
Not my OP. William769 Apr 2015 #15
Here I thought you were agreeing with the OP. bunnies Apr 2015 #20
Yes--it's about as "valid" as the pics posted downthread in post 51. nt MADem Apr 2015 #54
Here's some backstory: Henry Kissinger is a fucking war criminal Scootaloo Apr 2015 #89
Well that's true. William769 Apr 2015 #92
Is that not clinton? Is that not Kissinger? Are we looking at body doubles? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #103
Follow the links. William769 Apr 2015 #111
Would these be the links you refuse to provide since it's not your OP? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #142
Let's see she was S.O.S. at the time William769 Apr 2015 #153
Oh, so it's like Kerry shaking hands with el Sisi Scootaloo Apr 2015 #156
I love how that red arrow of Hillary's points to the right. Very fitting. Wouldn't you agree? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #115
Yes since it means "moving forward". William769 Apr 2015 #117
Moving...to the right. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #122
I can't help it if you are not well versed in meanings. William769 Apr 2015 #129
Actually it's my business: branding. So fail on your part. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #135
No fail on my part. William769 Apr 2015 #146
Well that was a tell if ever there was one. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #170
It does look dated. Marr Apr 2015 #251
They probably intended that impression dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #275
...! KoKo Apr 2015 #386
Yes!! BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #390
"HOPE" was not commissioned by the O campaign. That was a private artist who was SUED by AP for MADem Apr 2015 #461
Oh man, do I agree BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #389
Just an FYI... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #394
You mean the agency that did the Citi logo? BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #417
I'm not too bad with photoshop and know a thing or two about logos so BeanMusical Apr 2015 #465
There is no "forward" in regards to two dimensions. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #149
Look at the top of your web browser: < back forward> emulatorloo Apr 2015 #315
Sure is going to look great as an app on my phone, wouldn't you agree? Agschmid Apr 2015 #123
Does the app come with rose tinted glasses? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #131
No my vision is 20/20... unlike some others here. Agschmid Apr 2015 #133
The irony of that statement is astounding. But go on. Do tell. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #137
Please proceed. Agschmid Apr 2015 #140
Actually I just asked you to go first. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #145
. Agschmid Apr 2015 #150
Well, there's two Clinton fans that aren't able to put things into words or defend bad branding. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #171
No it's not. Agschmid Apr 2015 #177
My viewpoints were/are based on visual communications. Her branding sends a horrible message, and in R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #184
Me either. Agschmid Apr 2015 #195
If you say so... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #200
If I'm going to support a politician its likely I'll download their app. Agschmid Apr 2015 #202
So you're locked in for Hill? Is that right? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #206
No... Agschmid Apr 2015 #207
"But I'm sick of the bullshit on here..." R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #211
Well then let's get to work and see what happens in a year. Agschmid Apr 2015 #212
Yes indeed. William769 Apr 2015 #155
Soul Crush Saga? frylock Apr 2015 #421
I don't support her and I'm with you on this rpannier Apr 2015 #186
ding a freaking ling ghostsinthemachine Apr 2015 #4
It is disgusting Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #46
ERMAGGERD!!!! Agschmid Apr 2015 #6
fine, we'll talk about her record: should we start with Syria or Honduras first? MisterP Apr 2015 #77
You pick... Agschmid Apr 2015 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author MisterP Apr 2015 #181
I don't see it... Agschmid Apr 2015 #187
You must hate this guy too... LexVegas Apr 2015 #9
+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #30
Ceremonial niceties. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #32
No, when Mandela was released from prison, he went to the USA and sought out Kissinger. MADem Apr 2015 #462
+2 ThoughtCriminal Apr 2015 #43
Shit, I was gonna guess Stephen Colbert. Starry Messenger Apr 2015 #47
hypocrisy is on high display on DU Skittles Apr 2015 #120
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #126
Mandela was in prison when Kissinger was doing most of his murdering. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #240
Mandela learned "shuttle diplomacy" from Kissinger and used it to end apartheid in S. Africa. MADem Apr 2015 #290
So Mandela saved many many lives and his country with the knowledge acquired from BeanMusical Apr 2015 #466
good response shirleyplz Apr 2015 #408
Nobody asked you to be happy and you can vote for who ever you like. leftofcool Apr 2015 #10
My friend told me yesterday to come here and join this site NET Apr 2015 #12
frowny face. lol. bunnies Apr 2015 #17
please stop calling yourself a progressive. IDEALOUGE is the correct term. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #38
Bullshit. bunnies Apr 2015 #45
I am astonished by your ability ... NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #274
right. nt bunnies Apr 2015 #310
Dr. Frist. Paging Dr. Frist. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #342
My apologies then. I'm an old woman who was in college during the Vietnam War. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #18
"Easily ignored with no consequence." Blue_In_AK Apr 2015 #25
I can understand us not having a perfect candidate NET Apr 2015 #33
. blue neen Apr 2015 #50
No one has said she isn't smart dflprincess Apr 2015 #57
''She's strong , smart'' DeSwiss Apr 2015 #250
Today's Democratic Party seems to bear less and less resemblence Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #66
The God's truth. This might be a 5th cousin, twice removed! appalachiablue Apr 2015 #219
Jesus, you do have the choice to leave the party. RiffRandell Apr 2015 #245
Cut the Nader crap Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #246
you do realize that primaries are usually based on the party ? and that whoever the democratic JI7 Apr 2015 #279
Why not just let the people vote, then Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #304
they are allowed to vote for anyone they want JI7 Apr 2015 #332
We weren't allowed to vote in last year's gubernatorial primary Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #334
Can you give info on that ? JI7 Apr 2015 #336
Why cancel the primary when there is only one candidate? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #340
How was he forced out ? JI7 Apr 2015 #345
If the state party says you won't get any support if you do win Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #346
so why be part of such a party ? JI7 Apr 2015 #382
What other choices are there? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #463
I will also add Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #464
lol @ primaries.. frylock Apr 2015 #422
Pfft! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #402
Don't sweat it. Really. Adrahil Apr 2015 #19
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #21
Why? Because freepers hate TPP, Keystone XL and endless war in the ME?? eridani Apr 2015 #27
Just look how the RWers are reacting to her announcement. They are going fucking insane. Adrahil Apr 2015 #41
Better her than a Republican. But better a Democrat with Democratic values than Clinton. n/t eridani Apr 2015 #130
Fortunately, once election season begins in earnest, they'll be forced to hold their water. MADem Apr 2015 #113
Hold their water~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #185
We'll see a lot of this once general election season kicks in!! MADem Apr 2015 #214
Stop Stop~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #218
Welcome to DU, NET.. there's plenty of progressives to talk to. President Obama has made tons Cha Apr 2015 #62
Welcome to DU NET. Lochloosa Apr 2015 #78
Welcome to DU NET! calimary Apr 2015 #162
Welcome to DU! treestar Apr 2015 #263
also at the party were: guillaumeb Apr 2015 #16
I don't know but you spend a whole lot of time on DU... Agschmid Apr 2015 #22
and your "proof" for your comment guillaumeb Apr 2015 #28
I don't need proof, here you are. Agschmid Apr 2015 #31
Correction, here "we' are. All 229 thousand of us. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #367
Oh, SNAP! MADem Apr 2015 #197
Even if Petraeus is a slime, did he ever use the powers of his office to smear the "other woman", 24601 Apr 2015 #172
Petraeus might be a slime, but he is a free slime. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #372
Private Manning never even faced charges for treason, the only crime defined in the 24601 Apr 2015 #448
it is an interesting question guillaumeb Apr 2015 #467
Yeah, someone who "colors" upto a foreign leader realFedUp Apr 2015 #23
Fuck Henry Kissinger JEB Apr 2015 #24
Geez. An ancient Nobel Peace Prize winner and fellow ex-Secy of State. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #29
That Nobel Peace Prize winner was instrumental in the overthrow of the Salvador Allende government Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #79
I know his history. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #105
You know his history, but you're still fine with it Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #109
Read it again. Carefully this time. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #132
Yeah, I read it again Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #167
If Hillary Clinton can be such good friends with him why can't the rest of us? totodeinhere Apr 2015 #229
We'll attribute your lack of understanding to my bad writing skills. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #298
The only thing I would have to say to that particular political opponent is: lastlib Apr 2015 #163
Please post a warning next time Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #35
In politics you "cozy up" when necessary. Your sentiment is facile. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #36
Yes, that's what so lovely about politics. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #44
If you're waiting for a national politician who's willing to kick Kissinger in the nuts onstage Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #52
Thank You!!! LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #65
you've already had several DU'ers post similar photos of any number of Democrats w/ Kissinger KittyWampus Apr 2015 #83
yeah it's hard to imagine how these geniuses could be President treestar Apr 2015 #266
Washington DC is a small place and a small club. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #39
Who is trying to convince you to be happy about it? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #40
As SOS Hillary met with many people, part of her job, to judge Hillary by interacting with Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #48
Does that include going to a war criminal's birthday party? scarletwoman Apr 2015 #58
Are you trying to get others to dislike Hillary because of Kissinger? Won't happen, I doubt you Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #100
Because when people have their picture taken with someone at an official event, that AUTOMATICALLY MADem Apr 2015 #51
BINGO! William769 Apr 2015 #55
Threads like this are just ... embarrassing. MADem Apr 2015 #70
This thread is not one of DU's finest moments. William769 Apr 2015 #73
All you can do is consider the source. MADem Apr 2015 #98
Good to hear! Me too. William769 Apr 2015 #99
Gee Mom all the cool kids are hanging with war criminals, why can't I? dflprincess Apr 2015 #69
including Nelson Mandela and Jimmy Carter. LOL KittyWampus Apr 2015 #86
That's just the tip of the iceberg. MADem Apr 2015 #93
Actually, he did move to a small engineering firm that did not deal with these types dflprincess Apr 2015 #125
Sorry, and nothing against you-I still think your tale told to you by your friend is a war story. MADem Apr 2015 #175
My friend didn't tell me the story, her mother told it to us. dflprincess Apr 2015 #428
That guy was out the door regardless of Von Braun, I suspect. I know you think otherwise, but MADem Apr 2015 #458
That's the thing, isn't it? You have to go along to get along. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #101
I just looked at his wikipedia article treestar Apr 2015 #268
Albright and Powel aren't great examples, if you're trying to whitewash war crimes n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #95
I'm trying to demonstrate that only people without nuance or much in the way of depth look at a MADem Apr 2015 #97
Not a lot of nuance to be had on the issue of war crimes, MADem Scootaloo Apr 2015 #108
I was hoping H2O Man Apr 2015 #114
You're the one looking at people dressed up in their Sunday best and making a "war crime" out of it. MADem Apr 2015 #116
Your defense of Kissinger is "he was dressed nice"? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #127
Of course you've "got no time." MADem Apr 2015 #151
"I see you. I'm not the only one, either. " Scootaloo Apr 2015 #158
You are indeed easily amused, I see! nt MADem Apr 2015 #176
You reminded me of a movie Scootaloo Apr 2015 #180
For someone who didn't "have time" for me (your words) you sure have carved out a lot of it. MADem Apr 2015 #220
What? n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #230
it's what non-critical thinkers believe Skittles Apr 2015 #159
Precisely. nt MADem Apr 2015 #160
Boom! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #190
Right back atcha! nt MADem Apr 2015 #192
Exactly, it's so insulting treestar Apr 2015 #267
Indeed. You expect that kind of stuff from GOP sources. MADem Apr 2015 #270
Bookmarking 1000words Apr 2015 #56
What is your agenda? - I remember this as a republican asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #59
Sit this one out? dflprincess Apr 2015 #87
No - I encourage everyone to vote - I take exception to those asiliveandbreathe Apr 2015 #365
Politicians "cozy" up to all sorts of disreputable characters all the time. procon Apr 2015 #60
Women in politics are often judged more harshly than men. Not sure why this is. MADem Apr 2015 #141
Libertarian goddess Ayn Rand also admired serial killer Bill Hickman heavily too... cascadiance Apr 2015 #313
Why should I care who a sci-fi author -- especially that one -- admires? procon Apr 2015 #350
Ayn Rand's Libertarian followers don't think of themselves as just "sci fi" fans! cascadiance Apr 2015 #359
I do not see the validity of your comparison. procon Apr 2015 #363
scarletwoman KMOD Apr 2015 #67
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #68
Over 27,000 post and suddenly a troll? dflprincess Apr 2015 #71
No biggie. This is why I rarely post. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #75
I know, right? Adrahil Apr 2015 #90
Too bad that more of that isn't allowed. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #118
Thank you for the biggest laugh of this thread! scarletwoman Apr 2015 #72
That sounds like a TOS violation - calling out a long-time DU member as a "troll". Two actually. leveymg Apr 2015 #94
Politics can bring about the strangest of associations, can't it? blue neen Apr 2015 #74
In this case it wasn't even politics per se. Beacool Apr 2015 #208
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2015 #76
Thanks, H2O Man - your post means a lot to me. scarletwoman Apr 2015 #85
Oh, yes. H2O Man Apr 2015 #91
So you appreciate someone using guilt by association. KittyWampus Apr 2015 #88
Why did you vote for Elmer Fudd? H2O Man Apr 2015 #96
Yes, everyone should be able to express their feelings on an internet political site.. Cha Apr 2015 #288
The author of the OP H2O Man Apr 2015 #319
. stonecutter357 Apr 2015 #381
Meh, two SOS meeting at some official event. Beacool Apr 2015 #82
A birthday party is an official event? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #124
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #134
That pic was taken at the Atlantic Council’s Leadership Awards. Beacool Apr 2015 #183
Seems like it was also an unofficial birthday party for Kissinger Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #194
Singing happy birthday is a pretty typical thing to do when it's someones birthday... Agschmid Apr 2015 #198
Would you lead the crowd in singing a rousing rendition of "Happy Birthday" to George Bush? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #203
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #205
+1 LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #370
Oh, the horror. Beacool Apr 2015 #204
Oh for crying out loud! Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #210
I was too young for Kissinger. Beacool Apr 2015 #217
They weren't merely at the same event Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #277
Did you even read your own link? It wasn't a birthday party. Tanuki Apr 2015 #213
K&R marym625 Apr 2015 #104
... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #106
Worse is her IWR vote and "we came, we saw he died" Libya quip. morningfog Apr 2015 #121
That "quip" was taken out of context. Beacool Apr 2015 #188
that's something that's been gnawing at me fizzgig Apr 2015 #143
Dear fellow DUers - lest you think I've posted and run, I really have to go to bed scarletwoman Apr 2015 #152
Great thread. Really got the juices flowing today. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #265
(Maybe she's got hold of his nuts......) lastlib Apr 2015 #157
Was that before or after she led the crowd Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #166
Aaah! That is one disturbing mental image. 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #168
Almost as outrageous as this: geek tragedy Apr 2015 #174
OMG--that's some SERIOUS "cozying up" to "a mass murderer!!" Where are the outraged threads? MADem Apr 2015 #178
They were world leaders and allies in a global war. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #235
Clinton never worked with or for Henry Kissinger. The dynamic most certainly is NOT the same MADem Apr 2015 #254
I'm "exorcised" about status quo politicians? ronnie624 Apr 2015 #269
"She certainly agrees with it," you say--as if you know this. MADem Apr 2015 #276
I can't wait ronnie624 Apr 2015 #281
We all know you hate FDR. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #262
Neither of those countries could have ever invaded the US. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #272
Excuse me? You kind of missed the point nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #316
What did Henry do that ever made his so popular with the elected types anyway? Rex Apr 2015 #216
Good question Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #258
It's possible to learn from people's successes AND their fuck-ups. MADem Apr 2015 #285
Thank you G_j Apr 2015 #222
Hillary Clinton Calls Henry Kissinger a Friend, Praises His Commitment to Democracy totodeinhere Apr 2015 #223
You realize you quote a paragraph where it says they don't agree all that often? Agschmid Apr 2015 #228
I read the entire article. The operative phrase is "Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his totodeinhere Apr 2015 #234
I'm afraid you're correct. MADem Apr 2015 #260
As I told the other poster, I read the entire article. The article says that she called Kissinger totodeinhere Apr 2015 #308
He's been convicted of nothing. When you fling that "war criminal" rubric around when there's been MADem Apr 2015 #358
The case against Kissinger is airtight. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #387
"Intellectual and mental contortions?" You should know. MADem Apr 2015 #391
The concept of a fair trial belongs in a courtroom, ronnie624 Apr 2015 #468
You got that right...and it's in a courtroom where "criminality" is decided. MADem Apr 2015 #471
I don't believe he will ever be charged either. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #479
No straw at all--I believe in rule of law, you--by your own comments--don't. MADem Apr 2015 #480
* ronnie624 Apr 2015 #482
Asterisk and emoticon aside, I stand by my remarks--you either believe in rule of law, or you don't. MADem Apr 2015 #483
My remarks actually make it clear that I believe in the rule of law. ronnie624 Apr 2015 #485
Well, I could say the same about your comments. MADem Apr 2015 #486
That doesn't even make any sense. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2015 #487
though we have often seen the world and our challenges quite differently treestar Apr 2015 #264
And of course he is also a war criminal which is apparently fine with Clinton. Otherwise totodeinhere Apr 2015 #309
No that's Saul Alinsky type stuff treestar Apr 2015 #328
Sometimes, Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #225
All you have to do is hold your nose and forget the dead, the tortured, and the homeless. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #247
And stock your bunker with a 20-year supply of canned goods in preperation for the coming wars. Major Hogwash Apr 2015 #259
So dumb treestar Apr 2015 #252
Ever hear of Operation Condor? Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #273
You blame him for those things? treestar Apr 2015 #325
How quickly people forget the murdered...and their murderers peequod Apr 2015 #291
Really then how come no one else blames him for it treestar Apr 2015 #326
In this specific case, yes peequod Apr 2015 #441
not knowing history G_j Apr 2015 #299
Or not agreeing with your interpretation of history treestar Apr 2015 #327
well that's convenient for a lot of people G_j Apr 2015 #335
A war criminal is a person convicted of war crimes treestar Apr 2015 #355
OK, for you, G_j Apr 2015 #361
Is it possible to disagree with someone, and even think they are evil treestar Apr 2015 #366
FYI, G_j Apr 2015 #371
That's not a real trial treestar Apr 2015 #398
You are reaching, but missing. bvar22 Apr 2015 #475
Maybe treestar was not around then or doesn't read any books about contemporary history. Rex Apr 2015 #484
One word for you: Yalta. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2015 #289
Yalta was a wartime strategy meeting Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #314
The truth is the truth n/t malaise Apr 2015 #292
The All Hillary All The Time marym625 Apr 2015 #301
Nothing wrong with GOOD arguments. This isn't one. Adrahil Apr 2015 #302
I am advocating for good argument, discussion. 100% marym625 Apr 2015 #305
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #330
Yes. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #303
So many truly great people you can't support due to the simplicity of your mindset. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #339
This ^^^ treestar Apr 2015 #411
politics is what politics is Douglas Carpenter Apr 2015 #353
And there is more. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #356
...! KoKo Apr 2015 #388
I used to based my presidential preferences on a little more than a picture, too. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #369
I hear that!!!!!! heaven05 Apr 2015 #375
Hillary Clinton’s Progressive Problem explained..... LovingA2andMI Apr 2015 #376
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Faux pas Apr 2015 #380
I Agree' Lunabell Apr 2015 #383
Yeah, fuck those people that cozy up to mass murderers... Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #384
If I was to not vote for a democrat who has stood next to Kissinger and smiled LynneSin Apr 2015 #392
Agreed. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #393
I'm starting to like Hillary even more because of the haters here at DU LynneSin Apr 2015 #440
I didn't know Carter was running for President!!!! bvar22 Apr 2015 #474
No, he was just a sitting president. Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #478
I'm not happy, just ask Mr. Soros. saidsimplesimon Apr 2015 #385
Does the Democratic Party realize how vulnerable they are to losing if HRC is the nominee? dirtydickcheney Apr 2015 #395
I would love to vote FOR a Dem, instead of AGAINST a Repub. riqster Apr 2015 #399
Thanks scarlet! All these yrs later & the party's still on... countryjake Apr 2015 #404
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #405
So two disparate political figures hug. Really? That's your criterion? DrBulldog Apr 2015 #416
I hate people who want IT ALL. Cheviteau Apr 2015 #419
Post of the YEAR , CLASSIC guilt by association! ALL American politicians NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #426
America was built upon mass murder Yavin4 Apr 2015 #427
NO! bvar22 Apr 2015 #489
rec'd, but I disagree with you.... mike_c Apr 2015 #429
i love Hillary. I hate kissinger. he's a piece of shit and you are right a mass murderer. samsingh Apr 2015 #442
I feel the same way. blackspade Apr 2015 #443
Yep. Thespian2 Apr 2015 #445
I'm with you!! rury Apr 2015 #446
That IS the thing, scarletwoman. Octafish Apr 2015 #450
! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #457
Foreign policy is HRC's bete noire, and I'm very interested in hearing how her views ucrdem Apr 2015 #455
welcome to neo feudalism wundermaus Apr 2015 #476
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