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In reply to the discussion: Report Shows US Invasion, Occupation of Iraq Left 1 Million Dead [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)87. I accept the number, and it is part of the problem now with the displaced who fill the ranks of IS:
Apocalyptic Isis beyond anything we've seen, say US defence chiefs.
By Spencer Ackerman - 22 August 2014
...(General) Dempsey, an Iraq veteran, has long been sceptical of US military involvement in the Syrian conflict, citing among other reasons the threat to US pilots from dictator Bashar al-Assads air defences. He has frustrated those who advocated American involvement in the two neighbouring wars, such as hawkish Republican senator John McCain, who in June called on Obama to fire Dempsey, saying he has done nothing but invent ways for us not to be engaged.
Echoing the White Houses stated position, Dempsey said the US needed a coalition in the region that takes on the task of defeating Isis over time, something the administration this week has put effort into broadening and strengthening. But the groups ultimate defeat, the general said, would only come when it is rejected by the over 20 million disenfranchised Sunnis that happen to reside between Damascus and Baghdad.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/isis-us-military-iraq-strikes-threat-apocalyptic/print
This is no longer just about Iraq. Since Damascus is in Syria, all the way to the Mediterranean and the doorstep to Europe. Many centuries of warfare between the empires, of which the caliphate is planned to be one. And Baghdad is set near the sea on the other end of that stretch of land on the eastern side.
Those 20 million don't all support the Daesh, but that is a huge number and it's not like these people are unable to figure out how to fight to survive. Obama warned Maliki that excluding them them from his government (in revenge for Saddam's oppression of the Shia, I guess) would cause Iraq to break into pieces. So he couldn't fully support Maliki because he didn't govern with inclusion, which would be the only way to have peace.
The result of those fleeing Iraq and impacting other nations created a diasphoria for the new century. The Iraq War was a TEOTWAWKI event and shattered lives and allegiances. The Middle East will be transformed into different nations, because the original fuel for the Daesh is the need of those refugees for a homeland.
Imagine for a moment, an army of 20 million armed and angry and possibly homeless in the USA on the move. Just picture the bloody carnage in the neighboring states in a desperate fight for living space.
The Kurds were accused of being extrene in the past. They managed through the overthrow of Saddam to possess an autonomous region in northern Iraq. The legacy of Bush will hang over us for a generation or more and change the entire world as we know it, too. JMHO.
By Spencer Ackerman - 22 August 2014
...(General) Dempsey, an Iraq veteran, has long been sceptical of US military involvement in the Syrian conflict, citing among other reasons the threat to US pilots from dictator Bashar al-Assads air defences. He has frustrated those who advocated American involvement in the two neighbouring wars, such as hawkish Republican senator John McCain, who in June called on Obama to fire Dempsey, saying he has done nothing but invent ways for us not to be engaged.
Echoing the White Houses stated position, Dempsey said the US needed a coalition in the region that takes on the task of defeating Isis over time, something the administration this week has put effort into broadening and strengthening. But the groups ultimate defeat, the general said, would only come when it is rejected by the over 20 million disenfranchised Sunnis that happen to reside between Damascus and Baghdad.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/21/isis-us-military-iraq-strikes-threat-apocalyptic/print
This is no longer just about Iraq. Since Damascus is in Syria, all the way to the Mediterranean and the doorstep to Europe. Many centuries of warfare between the empires, of which the caliphate is planned to be one. And Baghdad is set near the sea on the other end of that stretch of land on the eastern side.
Those 20 million don't all support the Daesh, but that is a huge number and it's not like these people are unable to figure out how to fight to survive. Obama warned Maliki that excluding them them from his government (in revenge for Saddam's oppression of the Shia, I guess) would cause Iraq to break into pieces. So he couldn't fully support Maliki because he didn't govern with inclusion, which would be the only way to have peace.
The result of those fleeing Iraq and impacting other nations created a diasphoria for the new century. The Iraq War was a TEOTWAWKI event and shattered lives and allegiances. The Middle East will be transformed into different nations, because the original fuel for the Daesh is the need of those refugees for a homeland.
Imagine for a moment, an army of 20 million armed and angry and possibly homeless in the USA on the move. Just picture the bloody carnage in the neighboring states in a desperate fight for living space.
The Kurds were accused of being extrene in the past. They managed through the overthrow of Saddam to possess an autonomous region in northern Iraq. The legacy of Bush will hang over us for a generation or more and change the entire world as we know it, too. JMHO.
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Report Shows US Invasion, Occupation of Iraq Left 1 Million Dead [View all]
sinkingfeeling
Apr 2015
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Ralph Nader is irrelevant. He had the same right to run for President as Hillary does.
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What you're saying is that the Dem Party is so bad they can only produce one candidate, one which
sabrina 1
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so we should ignore the truth so someone that voted for this doesn't have to answer for it?
marym625
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#56
Hillary voted for it, didn't she? One million human beings. We BEGGED Them not to do it. I will
sabrina 1
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#90
More people died of war time disease than bullets during the Civil War.
Spitfire of ATJ
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#61
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic. Stalin
Tierra_y_Libertad
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#6
We need to remember that it was not just the government who was pushing for revenge. We the
jwirr
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#23
I to blame the media. They were the liars for the government. I honestly don't know how we could
jwirr
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#65
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jwirr
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#66
Many of them are connected to Wall St. Many of them made a lot of money.
raouldukelives
Apr 2015
#43
Arrest and try the war criminals now or forever shut the FUCK up about how great America is
IHateTheGOP
Apr 2015
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