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In reply to the discussion: Ukraine: The Truth [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)11. No appeal to authority. He's the author of the article.
As for your "argument": So what? Leupp detailed the subject to discuss:
There is a fascist-friendly regime in Ukraine, ushered into power by the U.S. State Department. And it does want to enter NATO, and weaken Russiaif possible, by re-establishing control over Crimea and booting the Russian fleet out. Given German opposition to its admission into the alliance, it is doubtful that will occur short-term.
But with crazies running the U.S. State Department, successfully promoting a bogus narrative about whats happened in Ukraine over the last two yearsa narrative echoed slavishly by a clueless mainstream mediaits just barely conceivable that there might come a day in which U.S. forces join the Azov Battalion in battling forces of the Peoples Republics of Luhansk and Donetsk.
It wont have anything to do with freedom, any more than the last few U.S. wars have had anything to do with that abstraction. It will be about imperial expansion, which while it might serve the .01% that rules this country, is not in your interest at all.
You must not have read that part.
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Hillary Clinton Calls For Greater Military Assistance And Financial Aid For Ukraine
Octafish
Apr 2015
#47
The article reveals nothing except the childish, escapist fantasies of the author.
DetlefK
Apr 2015
#6
No need for ad hominem. Gary Leupp is a professor of history. The guy tells the truth as he sees it.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#8
Oi. That's my point: It seems he intentionally left information out of the discussion.
DetlefK
Apr 2015
#12
Please explain then why Ukrainian fascists killed upwards of 250,000 Ukrainian Jews during
KingCharlemagne
Apr 2015
#16
Even that is giving it too much credit. It's the latest apologia for Putin's war of aggression.
stevenleser
Apr 2015
#21
I'm her even more evil identical triplett. The other two are amateurs when it comes to villainy.
DetlefK
Apr 2015
#27
Does it matter if NATO's expansion is aimed at invading/weakening Russia or is a decision by small
pampango
Apr 2015
#7
STill waiting for the commie hordes to burst into Ukraine like i was told was imminent 6 mos ago.
KG
Apr 2015
#20
NATO is a tool of Empire. If you are in the 'Ownership' class, you got a piece of it.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#41
over 700 military bases all over the world-spends more on its war budget than the rest of the world
EX500rider
Apr 2015
#60
And a lot of that money was spent on humanitarian type aid like vaccinations. It's been in the
okaawhatever
Apr 2015
#31
Except he insinuates that the $5 billion was invested explicitly for regime change in 2014.
Tommy_Carcetti
Apr 2015
#48
Just because that's what you want to argue doesn't make it the point of Leupp's essay.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#50
'I continue to be stunned at how people who oppose war by the US work so hard to justify Russian war
Octafish
Apr 2015
#43
How nice of you to imply I'm pro-Russia when it comes to warmongering. Thank you, no.
Octafish
Apr 2015
#62
"Don't worry if you can't think how it applies to the present situation in Ukraine:"
NuclearDem
Apr 2015
#63