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libdem4life

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60. A little perspective, please. You can't eat, buy clothes, buy hardware, shoes, furniture

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 02:52 PM

Apr 2015

cars, farm equipment, houses...anything a consumer need without ultimately donating to the above...sooner or later. It's just life. Some corporation owns just about everything ultimately. It's the Global Economy. Do we want candidates who don't know that and haven't a snowball's chance in you-know-where just to make certain people feel better?

I know people who tried to "live off the land" and/or only buy locally. Guess what, for 99% it's impossible. Now go up the ladder a couple of notches...running for say Mayor. He's got to go to those who have disposable cash and it's not likely much of his electorate. Now, he goes County...same story...higher money/donors necessary...then State...Then National.

That's reality and every single candidate that has 1/2 a chance of winning nationally has to do it...unless they are exceptionally wealthy, and then we'd say they bought the office. Carly Fiorino comes to mind but still didn't win.

Wishing and hoping and hating doesn't change our current economic reality. And even Elizabeth Warren isn't going to be able to do too much but at least nip at their heels.

It's time for some thick skin and grown up logic, not wishful thinking...and attacking based on fantasy.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] paulbibeau Apr 2015 OP

Would we prefer the top 5 give their money to Republicans again or to Hillary? leftofcool Apr 2015 #1

Here. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #4

Frankly, Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #5

I have mixed feelings on my answer to that... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #9

Unaccountable money in politics does concern me but we have what we have. leftofcool Apr 2015 #12

We will get the establishment approved Democrat Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #15

Yes. "Establishment approved." That's just the right phrase. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #32

And to paraphrase George Carlin, the Estabishment is a club hifiguy Apr 2015 #45

Yep, Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #118

Not if she isn't elected she won't be... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #87

Jeb Bush's doughy Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #95

She is "chosen" because 75% of Democrats support her.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #105

And at one time Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #111

Don't those names just jump out at you? paulbibeau Apr 2015 #113

They have Emily's List in common Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #115

So? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #114

Maybe she could call Elizabeth Warren and find out Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #116

Elizabeth ain't running....and perhaps that is why... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #117

Her not running has nothing to do Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #131

lol...Hillary working for us!...haha...good one! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #126

Well, it's theoretically possible Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #130

Frankly, I think warp drive is a helluva lot more possible. Can't say that about Elizabeth or Bernie. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #138

I would prefer the shove their dirty money.... JEB Apr 2015 #107

the real question is what do those top 5 think they are purchasing with their donations...? mike_c Apr 2015 #139

You really don't understand how your logic is flawed, do you? nt. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #2

! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #40

I know. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #43

What is the sound of one hand donating? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #58

Hillary is rich. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #47

but she wasn't always.....Now Jeb Bush....ALWAYS VanillaRhapsody Apr 2015 #106

Didn't the Lehman Brothers go out of business in 2008? FSogol Apr 2015 #3

Yes, the figures are over her career. That's why the numbers aren't there for 2012. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #6

Cool stats, bro! FSogol Apr 2015 #16

You're hiding behind your emoticons. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #26

No, just laughing at lame attempts to divide. FSogol Apr 2015 #28

#Accurate Agschmid Apr 2015 #34

Fair enough. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #36

Lehman Brothers gave Hillary and Romney zero dollars last year. NCTraveler Apr 2015 #7

So make your statement don't leave it there. upaloopa Apr 2015 #8

The numbers are disturbing. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #18

It bothers me that the purity team has their upaloopa Apr 2015 #31

I bother the other side plenty. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #37

If we don't win in 2016 they will bother you upaloopa Apr 2015 #44

Fair enough. But I still won't ignore the facts. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #48

Nobody is asking you to ignore them. Just upaloopa Apr 2015 #63

No. The pushback is pretty clear here. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #65

His fucking principles? F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #80

Yeah, that's a good response too. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #84

It's an obscenity that we allow businesses to donate money to political candidates. arcane1 Apr 2015 #10

Yes. Yes it is. DeadLetterOffice Apr 2015 #30

Those donors support everyone running for President. MineralMan Apr 2015 #11

That's why I included the numbers. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #14

And, in all likelihood, when the repubs settle on a candidate onenote Apr 2015 #20

Yes, I saw that, and you're right. MineralMan Apr 2015 #22

There is a larger campaign finance point here. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #24

Yes. Corporate money should not be involved in electoral politics. MineralMan Apr 2015 #27

Your refusal to have Hillary outrage is inexcusable Johonny Apr 2015 #17

I rarely have outrage about things like politics. MineralMan Apr 2015 #23

"Those donors support everyone running for President." MosheFeingold Apr 2015 #70

Yes. But the ratios also show they supported Romney more. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #73

UniParty? That's bogus, silly, and misguided. MineralMan Apr 2015 #75

Several also gave to POTUS 2012..too Historic NY Apr 2015 #13

And in Warren's top list, two of the larger law firms that service the financial industry stevenleser Apr 2015 #19

Believe me, I think there's a larger campaign finance point here too... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #21

Not one bank in her top 10 list LittleBlue Apr 2015 #55

No, just the folks that defend the banks when anyone tries to take them to task for something. stevenleser Apr 2015 #59

"The organizations themselves did not donate" jberryhill Apr 2015 #104

I know. But then there's a reason they group this stuff together. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #112

"The organizations themselves did not donate." Nine Apr 2015 #25

Yes, that's what they do. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #29

No, it's not safe to say that at all. Nine Apr 2015 #35

Think what you want. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #64

You claimed they were coordinating on behalf of Citigroup. Nine Apr 2015 #82

I'm going to make an assertion... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #83

You keep changing the claim. Nine Apr 2015 #89

I'm not changing the claim. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #91

I am not going to bring a knife to a gun fight DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #33

Don't hate the player, hate the game. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #38

Thank you for that. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #39

Pure poetry. By the way... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #42

That's very good. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #46

Don't blame a player for playing by the rules of a rigged game and triumphing DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #78

and....? spanone Apr 2015 #41

This is an absolutely corrupted nation -- down to the core. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #49

Yes. As an American and a human being it upsets me. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #50

Which is why they are fine with Hillary or any Republican winning AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #51

OH MY GOD WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL DAY? paulbibeau Apr 2015 #52

DU can be a tough room sometimes. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #68

What's bothering me is how soon the goddamn coronation started. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #71

Well, that is disconcerting. CentralMass Apr 2015 #53

I KNOW! paulbibeau Apr 2015 #57

lmao LittleBlue Apr 2015 #54

I think it's you who aren't hearing BainsBane Apr 2015 #56

Nope, nope, nope, nope. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #61

hardly a strawman BainsBane Apr 2015 #77

A little perspective, please. You can't eat, buy clothes, buy hardware, shoes, furniture libdem4life Apr 2015 #60

That's pretty meaningless. You're looking at donors by employer. Unvanguard Apr 2015 #62

Someone else on this thread agrees with you. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #67

They're giving money because they're rich. Unvanguard Apr 2015 #72

I notice you don't tell us how much money they have given her, only their rank dsc Apr 2015 #66

You're whistling past the graveyard. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #69

No I teach math for a living dsc Apr 2015 #74

This sentence... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #81

I assumed you were comparing Hillary's presidential contributers now dsc Apr 2015 #97

You're using garbled syntax so it's hard to understand what you're saying... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #100

No it isn't dsc Apr 2015 #110

First of all... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #119

Also... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #120

but it isn't someone dsc Apr 2015 #121

We've covered that. We disagree. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #122

Find a candiate they have not donated to. liberal N proud Apr 2015 #76

I won't vote for anyone who gets money from someone edhopper Apr 2015 #79

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #85

They do. Look at the actual numbers though. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #86

"What does that say?" She's cheap. Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #94

As a gesture to the 1% I'm sure Hillary will send it back with a FU Very Much note. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #88

I think B. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #132

Donations to Obama in 08 justiceischeap Apr 2015 #90

Now, we're opening the can of worms... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #92

You're still engaging in the fallacy of composition. Unvanguard Apr 2015 #96

I am interpreting it that way, yes. You don't. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #98

There's another source of information we can tap here... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #99

Let me put it another way... paulbibeau Apr 2015 #93

I am still going to vote for her. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #101

So am I. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #102

Whatever. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #103

"Whatever." The devastating rhetorical gambit of 13 year-olds everywhere. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #108

Considering your7 to 0 hidden post from this morning I don't think you are pretending. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #109

I do not care if every single thing I write for DU is hidden. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #123

Of this I have no doubt. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Apr 2015 #129

"Play the ball where it lies" This is where it lies. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2015 #125

Many companies and political action committees give to both party's candidates. Hoyt Apr 2015 #127

I'm thrilled they are giving their money to Hillary. I will vote for Hillary every single day of OregonBlue Apr 2015 #128

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #133

I'll give you a 5 on a 10 point scale. nt sufrommich Apr 2015 #134

Prepare for it to continue. mimi85 Apr 2015 #135

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #136

Sux when you find out the investment bankers own everyone, doesn't it? Rex Apr 2015 #137