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JDPriestly

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28. upaloopa, you make a good point.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:18 PM
Apr 2015

It took years of failure by the progressive movement to finally get a couple of presidents who, for a short time, realized progressive policies. And then, the presidents who made put those policies into action were not the most progressive. They were simply converted to and emboldened to progressive action by the pressure of the many, many Americans who demanded it.

But, the assumption that at this point, a year before the primaries, we should all support the candidacy of Hillary, perhaps one of our most right-wing potential candidates, is based on what I believe to be a false assumption: that Hillary is the only potential candidate we have who can win in the general election.

That I would call, the fallacy of the inevitable Hillary.

First, although she is doing well in the polls, we have not assurance, no proof, not even much evidence that Hillary will survive the primary, much less win in the general election.

I was a child when Adlai Stevenson ran and ran again for president. He did not have the personality, the charisma to win. In his first race, Nixon lost. When he ran in 1968, Nixon played every dirty trick in the book to win against a candidate who would have made a far better president than Nixon did.

We should not, at this point, assume that Hillary will be our candidate or that she will win.

We should be encouraging other candidates to stand up and run in the primaries. Primaries are not just popularity contests. They train and test the candidates. They help them hone their messages. They put candidates in the limelight and submit their personalities, their character, their ideas and their purposes to criticism and public appraisal.

The assumption that Hillary will be our candidate may prove true. It may not. It is far too early to tell.

Hillary has a huge campaign fund. That is an advantage if you look at it from a superficial point of view.

But a huge campaign fund has to have come from somewhere. And that can be a trap for well funded candidates. Hillary is no exception. Her biggest donors include people who work for large financial institutions and major law firms as well as big corporations. Those donors will be scrutinized and examined inside and out. Their relationships with the Clintons will be analyzed and publicized. And what is discovered may be very unpleasant for Hillary Clinton.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. We do not know who our candidate will be. It is too soon to start marching the brass Hillary band. She has a long trek to march before she is nominated, much less elected.

Remember. Every one of her major donations and some of the minor ones will be examined, turned inside and out, reviewed and could come back to create problems for her.

So relax. Anything can happen between now and November 2016.

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Amen! leftofcool Apr 2015 #1
My mom lived to 90, God Bless her... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #2
Yeah! that marym625 Apr 2015 #5
In the primary marym625 Apr 2015 #3
This is my age talking but I like to think it is upaloopa Apr 2015 #12
The difference being marym625 Apr 2015 #19
Bah...70 is the new 50 B2G Apr 2015 #4
That's what the guy on Craigslist keeps telling the women. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2015 #27
That's how we got here. jeff47 Apr 2015 #6
+a kazillion! marym625 Apr 2015 #9
Sounds nice but you are wrong. It takes center right money to win upaloopa Apr 2015 #13
If it 'takes center right money to win' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #42
Which is why CA's governor is Meg Whitman and not Jerry Brown. jeff47 Apr 2015 #55
I hope you are well. MADem Apr 2015 #7
Like that Johnny Cash song upaloopa Apr 2015 #14
Wise words. Scurrilous Apr 2015 #8
+1 It really is a long-term process, often requiring small steps. But set-backs are guaranteed Hoyt Apr 2015 #10
I'm 71 and will vote for my principles. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #11
Repeating other people's words is nice upaloopa Apr 2015 #15
Should I be discreet and not vote for my principles? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #16
It's your vote do what you want with it. upaloopa Apr 2015 #17
Good. So will I vote for my principles. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #18
Well I don't think your principles will be on the ballot. upaloopa Apr 2015 #21
We'll see. I expect they will. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #37
What else do you have? paulbibeau Apr 2015 #58
I don't think there were parties when Adams made that statement. The names of all the candidates jwirr Apr 2015 #25
+1000 heaven05 Apr 2015 #20
I am 76 and plan to be around RebelOne Apr 2015 #22
thanks for the perspective oopaloopa! KnR secondwind Apr 2015 #23
I just realized at 73 I am likely to be in the same boat. We need to win this one on every level we jwirr Apr 2015 #24
I am not saying we should not push for upaloopa Apr 2015 #26
Yes, I hear you. There are two goals here that both need to be met if possible. First we need to jwirr Apr 2015 #29
upaloopa, you make a good point. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #28
Yes. Relax. Anything can happen between lovemydog Apr 2015 #30
I think I don't need to relax much more than I am. upaloopa Apr 2015 #35
There is a counterargument. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #39
Amen. paulbibeau Apr 2015 #57
Sometimes it's really true... world wide wally Apr 2015 #31
Yes Thespian2 Apr 2015 #32
You and me both, upaloopa. I'm only a few years younger than you, but... Hekate Apr 2015 #33
I disagree whole heartedly olddots Apr 2015 #34
Why not wait to see what other Democrats declare, and then who actually wins 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #36
I meant to speak to people who aren't going to support upaloopa Apr 2015 #38
"I know things aren't as progressive (and) Hillary isn't as progressive as we would like" 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #40
We aren't going to have a progressive upaloopa Apr 2015 #41
I know , I know 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #43
Get real! Even Bernie Sanders said what upaloopa Apr 2015 #44
I guess my point is 99th_Monkey Apr 2015 #60
+1. People who claim to be "compromising" now are doing nothing of the sort. Marr Apr 2015 #59
If the GOP win in 2016, there will be no nation to host a president. The complete dissolution of the freshwest Apr 2015 #45
It depends. Savannahmann Apr 2015 #46
Time outs. joshcryer Apr 2015 #47
Leave your legacy, upaloopa…. MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #48
K&R B Calm Apr 2015 #49
Funny how I draw the opposite conclusions. 99Forever Apr 2015 #50
What will the legacy of our choices be? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #51
"Political expediency?" 99Forever Apr 2015 #54
Lombardi always regretted saying that. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2015 #52
Every time I cast a vote LWolf Apr 2015 #53
ssdd. PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #56
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