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pipi_k

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164. It's so easy

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 06:15 PM

Apr 2015

to sit on our asses and second guess what someone else SHOULD have done when we weren't there in the moment to deal with the consequences of our actions...or inactions.

I would have followed procedure if I were a cop. The cop didn't follow procedure. Pretty simple.

Sometimes things don't work out so well when cops "follow procedure". So what specific procedure did the cop not follow?

your supposition that he looked ready to shoot anyone in his way... When he fired into the air and never pointed a gun at anyone is bizarre.

Just as bizarre to suppose that he would NOT shoot anyone who got in his way. So he fired into the air. So what? If he became more desperate he might do anything. You have absolutely NO idea as to his state of mind. Neither do I, but I'm willing to imagine that he could be capable of doing anything.

Finally, the cop was trying to kill him, so claiming that no one was killed, as if the situation was defused safely is akin to someone being lucky enough to survive a police shooting. The cops don't deserve credit for the guy luckily surviving their attack.

How do you know what that cop was trying to do? Did he personally tell you what he intended to do? Or, did I miss some news conference in which the cop admitted he was trying to kill the guy? Do tell...

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Cop Drives Right at Suspect, Runs Him Over in Disturbing Dash Cam Video [View all] one_voice Apr 2015 OP

Holy Shit! DJ13 Apr 2015 #1

He was armed with a rifle. I'd run his ass over too to save my own life. 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #2

meh Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #27

That's my take, to be honest. closeupready Apr 2015 #78

This is what happens when you "stand by" and don't respond to a maniac with a rifle 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #138

The one officer giving the command for other officers to "stand by" put them and the public at risk 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #139

If "Nam" Guy was black he would have been shot long before the shoot out, WillTwain Apr 2015 #158

The suspect went feral. eom Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #147

What's your badge number, officer? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #152

What is that supposed to mean, Scootaloo? 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #153

It means you just watched a cop smash into a man at ~60 MPH and your response is "FUCK YEAH! UNF!" Scootaloo Apr 2015 #155

Umm no. 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #160

Just watched that on tonight's news. WTF!!! In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #3

The suspect was armed with a gun. He fired a shot. LisaL Apr 2015 #9

The cop deserves to be prosecuted for assault with a dangerous weapon and assault with intent to morningfog Apr 2015 #11

Maybe in your imaginary world, but not in this one. LisaL Apr 2015 #14

Why do you have to be rude? morningfog Apr 2015 #16

He chose to stop an armed gunman who already shot his gun without killing this gunman. LisaL Apr 2015 #18

Yeah. Just mangle the shit out of him. elias49 Apr 2015 #24

"Chose to stop" = Run him the fuck over at high speed... truebrit71 Apr 2015 #79

Your precious suspect is alive. Instead of being dead, which he would be, if he LisaL Apr 2015 #94

Obviously...because everyone that gets shot dies right??.. truebrit71 Apr 2015 #106

The Cop could of shot him instead. FarPoint Apr 2015 #100

I'm not a big fan of cops sammythecat Apr 2015 #77

I have to agree. Marr Apr 2015 #80

Why would it 'almost certainly mean killing him'? truebrit71 Apr 2015 #107

Because there's no safe place to shoot someone? Marr Apr 2015 #116

"Shoot to wound" is a fantasy indicating that someone watches too many cop shows. 11 Bravo Apr 2015 #118

Huge arteries run down the legs Jim Beard Apr 2015 #129

I know. I'm waiting for someone to post "Why didn't they ... 11 Bravo Apr 2015 #143

Nah, the best fantasy is a cop and armed suspect staring down barrels of guns... Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #149

How could he descalate this situation? yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #154

I'd think an imaginary world consists of only two possibilities-- killing him or running him down. LanternWaste Apr 2015 #137

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #28

Y'all may hate me for sayin-I have no problem with the tactic Boxerfan Apr 2015 #4

It stopped him quickly and he is still alive. Kablooie Apr 2015 #5

Awesome!! DarknessFalls Apr 2015 #6

This seems totally justified. LisaL Apr 2015 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Apr 2015 #8

Here's the video... MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #10

Thank you... one_voice Apr 2015 #15

The audio is significant - the car closest to him was saying 'stand off' muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #22

No. The driver was telling Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #37

He said the guy driving the car was given to okay to run him over with his vehicle? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #58

The chief? Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #60

I found the interview Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #61

I am not sure what you mean Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #66

Exactly. This was a very bad situation that was on the verge of getting worse. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #68

There are 2 sections of video muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #67

I can't believe these responses. The cop ran over the guy on purpose. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #12

He actually shot the gun. LisaL Apr 2015 #13

OMG Haha! "...must come down" elias49 Apr 2015 #23

why is that funny to you? Do you think a bullet fired in the air goes into orbit or something? Takket Apr 2015 #31

Good grief. Stop the silly. Not worth more than nt elias49 Apr 2015 #34

Please.... CherokeeDem Apr 2015 #71

Of course it's possible... just not very probable. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #86

There was a guy recently killed sitting outside his home on New Years. LisaL Apr 2015 #96

Who said it was impossible? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #98

Well, I guess police should have given the suspect some more chances to shoot his gun. LisaL Apr 2015 #103

Better to shoot everyone in the area... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #104

Bullets in the air isn't the real issue Jim Beard Apr 2015 #134

I think your stretching the term just a tad. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #144

I have no problem with a sense of proportionality.... CherokeeDem Apr 2015 #105

Mythbusters showed exactly how hard it is. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #121

I saw that episode of Mythbusters.... CherokeeDem Apr 2015 #123

No, your right, no one was claiming that... TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #146

No... CherokeeDem Apr 2015 #162

Happens more than you think dbackjon Apr 2015 #130

I'll take my chances with the shooters over the police. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #145

I agree with everything you said. It's amazing how polce brutatlity is justified and defended. morningfog Apr 2015 #17

They would have been justified with shooting him at that point because he was in a residential area LisaL Apr 2015 #19

No - entirely out of proportion to the crime. TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #92

life savers DustyJoe Apr 2015 #76

Oh please. They tried to kill him. They did not try to save his life. morningfog Apr 2015 #120

+1 a2liberal Apr 2015 #20

Same here. nt elias49 Apr 2015 #25

Amazing, isn't it? MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #21

Bingo. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #29

A tranquilizer gun? Very bad idea. DetlefK Apr 2015 #33

Sorry, but you are naive in what you think should have happened Lurks Often Apr 2015 #38

That is unbelievable ann--- Apr 2015 #49

Stop watching TV Lurks Often Apr 2015 #54

In addition to the previous poster telling you other reasons you're wrong mythology Apr 2015 #81

And how many shots can an armed man get off justhanginon Apr 2015 #142

Quite a few, here is a documented incident Lurks Often Apr 2015 #161

More old Colts shot out of hands -- look, Ma, no blood! -- in The Lone Ranger! Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #150

I agree ann--- Apr 2015 #46

It seriously blows my mind... truebrit71 Apr 2015 #108

Let's make this quite clear: the cop in question disobeyed orders. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #26

No, you are mistaken Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #36

If you think that the cop driving the car was following orders... Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #56

Exactly! ann--- Apr 2015 #59

Again: he was not told to stand down Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #62

He wasn't told to stand down!! Just to "stand off"! That is the difference here we should be GummyBearz Apr 2015 #128

You are right ann--- Apr 2015 #42

That is not what happened Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #63

I'm talking about the FIRST ann--- Apr 2015 #74

Interesting comment thread. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #30

No, it doesn't matter the weapon. This is akin to the Tamir Rice shooting. morningfog Apr 2015 #44

They could have shot from ann--- Apr 2015 #47

Really stop watching tv... Historic NY Apr 2015 #82

SKY KING!! Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #151

OMG ann--- Apr 2015 #75

Only in self defense?? B2G Apr 2015 #84

Where were the people? ann--- Apr 2015 #88

Please explain your comment above B2G Apr 2015 #89

I think you misplaced this comment. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #87

I'd like some more details on this before I pass judgement Takket Apr 2015 #32

He fired the weapon just moments before he was run over. boston bean Apr 2015 #35

Is that what they teach in police academies in Arizona? ann--- Apr 2015 #43

You would have preferred bullets piercing his internal organs? nt boston bean Apr 2015 #102

you are ok with broken ribs piercing his internal organs? nt uppityperson Apr 2015 #110

I'm ok with the action taken. boston bean Apr 2015 #115

so no piercing internal organs with a bullet, but with his broken ribs is ok. thanks for clarifying. uppityperson Apr 2015 #132

Uh no. I'm not sure what it is you think you boston bean Apr 2015 #133

Only a few minutes ann--- Apr 2015 #50

He has a RIFLE that he has shot once. Are_grits_groceries Apr 2015 #39

You cannot say for sure if ann--- Apr 2015 #41

A taser or tear gas vs a rifle? Action_Patrol Apr 2015 #70

If you were having lunch down the street and ended up in the middle of a police Marr Apr 2015 #83

So what? TampaAnimusVortex Apr 2015 #95

Cannot believe that this officer ann--- Apr 2015 #40

He will probably get an award for saving the community and lives yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #159

Holy moly! Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #45

America is ann--- Apr 2015 #48

It looks like MAD MAX revisited. Summary justice Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #51

Violent crime has dropped to 50-year lows. These are "Days of [ratings-driven] Dread." Eleanors38 Apr 2015 #157

Disturbing video and disturbing comments Blue_Adept Apr 2015 #52

He didn't just run into him, he ran him down liberal N proud Apr 2015 #53

He intended to kill the guy sorefeet Apr 2015 #55

Recently, some men were shooting behind my son's elementary school My Good Babushka Apr 2015 #57

and if they had not left, but instead fired shots Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #64

They were firing shots My Good Babushka Apr 2015 #69

Each unique situation Evergreen Emerald Apr 2015 #73

There is no situation My Good Babushka Apr 2015 #85

Correct tool in this situation would be a gun. LisaL Apr 2015 #93

If the correct response is to shoot the suspect My Good Babushka Apr 2015 #111

shooting at him would have been too dangerous TorchTheWitch Apr 2015 #156

Here's the interview with the chief (it may be posted elsewhere up thread) Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #65

I'm sorry romanic Apr 2015 #72

Criticizing law enforcement My Good Babushka Apr 2015 #90

At that time, the cop would be justified at shooting the suspect. LisaL Apr 2015 #91

Then he should have shot the suspect My Good Babushka Apr 2015 #109

Why? Because that's what they do on tv? Marr Apr 2015 #119

The man was on foot My Good Babushka Apr 2015 #124

Wow. Marr Apr 2015 #131

I am not going to agree My Good Babushka Apr 2015 #135

What do you suggest they have done? B2G Apr 2015 #136

No, he wants a gunfight in a residential area jberryhill Apr 2015 #163

running into someone with a day moving car = "non-lethal force"? I'd say tell that to my cousin uppityperson Apr 2015 #113

Steeeeeerike! VScott Apr 2015 #97

Nice disregard phil89 Apr 2015 #101

Probably suffering from a few bruises and broken bones too, I reckon. VScott Apr 2015 #112

And you have a fixation on phil89 Apr 2015 #125

Like some others here pipi_k Apr 2015 #99

What I would do phil89 Apr 2015 #114

It's so easy pipi_k Apr 2015 #164

Pee Ess... pipi_k Apr 2015 #165

The video is quite harsh. Jenoch Apr 2015 #117

Better he gets stopped then madville Apr 2015 #122

We should definitely phil89 Apr 2015 #126

Well we know now that he madville Apr 2015 #166

I have mixed feelings about this. Arugula Latte Apr 2015 #127

For those that contend: It's impossible to approach a guy with a gun with less than lethal force My Good Babushka Apr 2015 #140

I don't know if anyone pipi_k Apr 2015 #168

Eh, I suppose they could have gunned him down and had Calista241 Apr 2015 #141

It's quite possible his actions could have saved a number of lives. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2015 #148

The officers probably also knew that he had madville Apr 2015 #167