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56. Well, Hillary is far, far from the perfect Dem candidate

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 07:27 PM

Apr 2015

For many, there are certain litmus tests that reveal the 'value' of the candidate.
Things like
1. Do you support the corporate state agenda, e.g., the TPP? (HRC would likely say yes)
2. Do you support the national security state and its violence as a foreign policy? (yes)
3. Do you support policies & programs needed to truly combat climate change? (no)
4. Do you support breaking up the mega-banks and a securities transaction tax? (no!)
5. Do you support increasing Social Security payments, decreasing SS taxes to 1980 levels? (uhh)
6. Do you support having a prison population that is now over 1 million people? (yes)
7. etc

Can we truly afford another 8 years of stalling? Of run-around?
Bill Clinton perfected the run-around, and it was called "small-ball" remember?
Why should we think we'll get *anything* that is different from Bill's "small-ball"?

Here's the core argument.
Noone is saying that HRC is a change-agent --- she's *all about* continuity.
However we desperately NEED a change-agent now, right now, to play "big-ball".
She's wrong for the times, is all.

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I'm sorry but I have to say this [View all] NET Apr 2015 OP

K&R! She will make a great president. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #1

I disagree. Hillary Clinton is a candidate but has not been nominated... NancyDL Apr 2015 #47

What fix are they in? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #50

look a little closer.. frylock Apr 2015 #2

Recommended! H2O Man Apr 2015 #3

I think she will be a champion for women's rights , children and adults who live in poverty NET Apr 2015 #6

Very good. H2O Man Apr 2015 #9

Yes she would be the one to do it NET Apr 2015 #11

Her support of a single payer plan during the primaries of '08 annabanana Apr 2015 #34

I totally agree. She has a better grasp of single payer than anyone in the party. NancyDL Apr 2015 #52

Don't you mean WE? annabanana Apr 2015 #79

Do you think the republicans will... abakan Apr 2015 #48

She will be a great Champion of TPP too. She was one of the architects of it. Katashi_itto Apr 2015 #42

Yes, she will. leftofcool Apr 2015 #4

As a newbie, you'll have to trust those of us around long enough to have seen this before hlthe2b Apr 2015 #5

okay NET Apr 2015 #12

Oh, no need to be embarrassed... I just don't want you to get discouraged. hlthe2b Apr 2015 #13

Not Sure HassleCat Apr 2015 #7

Too bad you were not here for the 2008 upaloopa Apr 2015 #8

Well, welcome to DU and you're right!! k&R SummerSnow Apr 2015 #10

Based on what? (nt) dirtydickcheney Apr 2015 #14

Her policies compared to any Republican's? world wide wally Apr 2015 #24

pay no attention to the handmade34 Apr 2015 #15

Thanks for saying that! Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #60

Welcome to DU OKNancy Apr 2015 #16

Hey i like your sigline. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #30

I like yours OKNancy Apr 2015 #32

Welcome NET! hrmjustin Apr 2015 #17

I'm sure she will.. for some people... SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #18

Welcome to DU Cali_Democrat Apr 2015 #19

It's a funny place, when you're new. KMOD Apr 2015 #20

You got that right NET Apr 2015 #23

What makes her our best chance at keeping the White House? n/t BlueStater Apr 2015 #21

well she's a very good speaker NET Apr 2015 #27

I don't think she's a good speaker. BlueStater Apr 2015 #39

She's a good speaker when her audience is preapproved synchophants, otherwise no.... peacebird Apr 2015 #77

Shut up! world wide wally Apr 2015 #22

Well it is a small group here, while most support her or will. Rex Apr 2015 #25

No bashing from me. Welcolme to DU, NET. n/t freshwest Apr 2015 #26

Any Democrat will make a great President. Please don't shut up Autumn Apr 2015 #28

Without the Congress she will just be a lamb duck for another 4yrs. CK_John Apr 2015 #29

Is a lamb duck like a turducken? JimDandy Apr 2015 #44

Welcome to DU mountain grammy Apr 2015 #31

Yep, better than Ted Cruz. JEB Apr 2015 #33

Shut up! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #35

I have two big concerns: Atman Apr 2015 #36

Amen, Atman! NancyDL Apr 2015 #57

No need for intelligent discussion; just call those who disagree with you "bashers." DesertDiamond Apr 2015 #37

Kick. nt cwydro Apr 2015 #38

Because this is DU. Actually, if folks don't care for HRC that is fine, the problem still_one Apr 2015 #40

Actually Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #65

I understand then engage in other threads that encourage a still_one Apr 2015 #73

Where? Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #80

Then you start one, and suggest that you would like it to involve a civil discussion of both sides still_one Apr 2015 #81

DUCK!!!! I agree. George II Apr 2015 #41

The differences of opinion is one of the reasons why I hang around DU d_legendary1 Apr 2015 #43

You are expressing your opinion MissDeeds Apr 2015 #45

And here they come... Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #46

Don't shut up. murielm99 Apr 2015 #49

hillary would make a shitty president, if she is the best we have it's time to lose. bowens43 Apr 2015 #51

See, here is someone who must not have anything to lose if gay people and minorities NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #55

As a woman I'm saying we have lost enough!!! onecaliberal Apr 2015 #76

I can explain, most Hillary bashers are white, str8t, protestant males. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #53

I love it! Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #66

Oh really? workinclasszero Apr 2015 #72

Welcome to DU, NET! calimary Apr 2015 #54

wow just wow NET Apr 2015 #62

Well, Hillary is far, far from the perfect Dem candidate semanticwikiian Apr 2015 #56

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And there is another swallow! Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #59

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No woman has ever Susannah Elf Apr 2015 #68

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Sigh...again workinclasszero Apr 2015 #74

That one's yanking chains -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2015 #75

everyone is entitled to their opinion PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #63

Welcome to DU, NET! Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #64

We'd love to see more progressive candidates, but... Mike Nelson Apr 2015 #67

First of all, blondie58 Apr 2015 #70

I totally agree! workinclasszero Apr 2015 #71

IF she's the nominee, she'll have my vote. Triana Apr 2015 #78

I won't ever tell you to shut up. LWolf Apr 2015 #82

We haven't even gotten to the primaries awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #83

welcome to du niyad Apr 2015 #84