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JohnnyRingo

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23. I also hate wired telephones.

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 08:31 PM

Apr 2015

Thank goodness technology progresses toward efficiency and convenience. It's a great time to be alive.

My point is that it doesn't matter who makes the machines if it's done correctly. Here in Ohio we use three companies to prevent overwhelming influence over the machines from one CEO.

Our machines can't communicate online, and provide a paper printout that the voter can witness as it's printed. That paper trail is compared to the electronic tall before being locked and sealed in a box for return to district HQ. That paper trail is stored a certain number of years in case of suspicion.

There is nothing more secure about hand counting than that. Considering human error, especially with such a monotonous task, I believe a computer system can be more secure.

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Meet the e-voting machine so easy to hack, it will take your breath away [View all] LiberalArkie Apr 2015 OP

Maybe on purpose..... louis-t Apr 2015 #1

This is not possible RobertEarl Apr 2015 #2

of course you're right...Once again, Obamas fault=) Volaris Apr 2015 #22

Thanks, Illinois state senator Obama! JHB Apr 2015 #45

That is not a bug it is a FEATURE! Vincardog Apr 2015 #3

Yep. Pretty much. NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #10

K&R DeSwiss Apr 2015 #4

+1 L0oniX Apr 2015 #34

I don't trust ANY of these damned things n/t arcane1 Apr 2015 #5

Amen. SusanCalvin Apr 2015 #8

Same here! Often proprietary code, none allowed to look. It's ridiculous! Way too much RKP5637 Apr 2015 #26

Even software doesn't matter that much when the other parts cprise Apr 2015 #41

It's a fucking travesty. I cannot understand how this is acceptable to the citizenry of our country. Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2015 #44

Yep, that's the bottom line of it all, TPTB don't care if we like it or not. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2015 #47

+1 840high Apr 2015 #76

Yep, exactly! Black Box Voting! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2015 #46

K&R! nt Mnemosyne Apr 2015 #6

This is so bad it would be comedic. F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #7

I'm sure the GOP governors will be buying up the used machines on Craigslist to use themselves tomm2thumbs Apr 2015 #9

Paper ballots. And a federally constitutional amendment avowing right to vote. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #11

Paper ballots. Hire a few more people to count them, democracy demands a just accounting. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #14

" a voter verificatied paper ballot as the ballot of record" elehhhhna Apr 2015 #17

Paper ballots can be machine scanned for a quick result csziggy Apr 2015 #54

This is another reason why I believe the best Jenoch Apr 2015 #12

Amen, a thousand times AMEN!!! Stevepol Apr 2015 #15

Our paper ballots are counted by a machine. Jenoch Apr 2015 #51

All they have to do is add a paper printout. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #13

No computers. Pen and paper. Scan with human eyes, record and store with human hands. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #16

You may be skeptical, but I think they're pretty reliable JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #19

Good gawd RobertEarl Apr 2015 #20

I also hate wired telephones. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #23

Ohio? RobertEarl Apr 2015 #24

Pay attention JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #27

OMG RobertEarl Apr 2015 #29

People can be corrupt JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #32

people are corrupt that is why it is ussually an insider doing the fraud questionseverything Apr 2015 #38

Paper cares even less LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #40

You didn't understand what I said. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #50

Then computers are a burden to the voters cprise Apr 2015 #52

Again, you have a bit of a misconception JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #56

A mechanical hole-puncher is a billion times more transparent cprise Apr 2015 #57

That's why I like a printed paper trail. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #62

That makes voters spend twice the effort on each ballot cprise Apr 2015 #67

Ok, I guess I don't understand your paper receipt usage LiberalLovinLug Apr 2015 #60

Hahaha JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #63

No volunteer counters. Professionals trained by a non-partisan, non-political election commission. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #21

I've never seen that description before JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #25

And I forgot...a paid day off for all registered voters on the bi-annual National Election Day. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #30

i remember elction nights before computerized voting/counting questionseverything Apr 2015 #39

I see your point... JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #49

u r funny,if it wasn't so sad questionseverything Apr 2015 #65

Don't insult me. JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #66

Results... Major Nikon Apr 2015 #68

Thanx JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #70

all of my links disproved everything you said questionseverything Apr 2015 #71

Your links predate the current system JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #72

as i understand it you are saying because a roll of paper was attatched questionseverything Apr 2015 #74

So when a a republican wins, it must be cheating? JohnnyRingo Apr 2015 #77

u refer to how many voted,that is checked but not how they voted questionseverything Apr 2015 #79

Oh no...not again nt fadedrose Apr 2015 #18

Yep, it's a perpetual d�j� vu as we wander in the same ruts with seemingly little RKP5637 Apr 2015 #28

Since no one is interested in fixing it that can fix it, are there any counter hackers standing by lonestarnot Apr 2015 #31

Stop fucking around with the oligarchy's machines! Hillary must win! L0oniX Apr 2015 #33

Pencil on paper is high tech enough. eom JEB Apr 2015 #35

Remember 2004? KansDem Apr 2015 #36

Researchers? snort Apr 2015 #37

"We work for the 1%. Trust us." blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #42

URL: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/09/24/us/replvoting600.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #43

'admin' as the Windows Administrator password? RiverNoord Apr 2015 #48

Mostly in white precincts underpants Apr 2015 #53

Only idiots and crooks support electronic voting. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #55

They're already easy to hack DFW Apr 2015 #58

It is very easy to make a truthful secure voting machine. LiberalArkie Apr 2015 #59

I haven't voted on an machines for years. don't see them around la much Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #61

Kicking realFedUp Apr 2015 #64

technocrats say that to preserve democracy, we must spy on citizens and count votes in secret... whereisjustice Apr 2015 #69

Didn't some university a while back get Tetris to play on a touchscreen voting machine? Initech Apr 2015 #73

packman questionseverything Apr 2015 #75

Here in Wisconsin-Command Central in Minnesota counts our votes. That's how we got Scott Walker. midnight Apr 2015 #78